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LepreCon Sees Multiple Arrests in Hoboken

While uptown is quiet, the bars on First Street were crowded throughout the afternoon.

 

Update 6:45 p.m.

Downtown Hoboken looked like any other St. Patrick's Day on Saturday, even without the annual parade down Washington Street, while uptown Hoboken was quiet and the bars there half empty on Saturday afternoon. 

At the end of the day—as it got colder and darker and the people got drunker—there were more reports of disorderly behavior. On downtown Jackson Street a man was seen climbing the wall of a building, apparently thinking he was Spiderman. Minutes later, police radio reported a large fight on Fourteenth Street. 

As of 5:30 p.m., at least seven arrests had been made—including one for driving under the influence in the A&P parking lot—police said. One Jersey City man was arrested for acting disorderly on the corner of First and Bloomfield, police said.

At 4:30, a man tried to fight with two bouncers, before he was tackled and arrested by Hoboken police officers. Around 5:30, an arrest was made on Second and Washington Streets for disorderly conduct.

As the afternoon went on, more sirens could be heard, including several fire trucks rushing to multiple fire alarms.

While definitely less than last year around that time, police said they were still expecting an uptick in arrests later in the day. Just like last year, the city enforced its zero tolerance policy and summonses can come with a fine as high as $2,000.

Around 2 p.m., a house party on the corner of Fourth and Garden Streets was broken up after two people were written summonses for drinking in public. 

When the crowd didn't go inside, the officer at the scene got out of his car and told the group of 20-somethings dressed in green that if they didn't go back inside, he'd "come back here and shut the house down." 

"I'll make this the worst day of your life," the officer told the disorderly group.

Among the enforcement agencies present in Hoboken on Saturday were Jersey City police, and officers from Union City, Bayonne, the Port Authority and the county Sheriff's office. 

Many of those interviewed—either standing in line to a bar, or in front of a house party—said the party was similar to last year and that the tradition of the first Saturday in March would live on, even without a parade. 

Just as in previous years, house parties prevailed throughout town, with groups of people in green walking in and out of apartment buildings. Police patrolled the streets and broke up multiple parties between noon and 3 p.m. 

While a steady of people dressed in green came into Hoboken on Saturday morning, the streets were visibly less crowded than previous years. Around 12:30 p.m. summonses were issued, police said, but there were no arrests. 

At Marty O'Briens on First and Bloomfield Streets, a small line started to form on Saturday morning around noon and music blasted from inside. While in previous years, lines started forming around 8 a.m., this year most bars decided to open at 11 a.m. 

"It's pretty packed," said Daniel Demola, 22, standing outside the bar. "I'm hoping it'll get busy."

Demola came into Hoboken on Friday night to celebrate the day with his childhood friends, he said. He said he didn't mind paying the $25 cover. He said he'd likely spend more than $100 at the bar that afternoon. 

"You gotta have a good time," said Tony Corsino, from Mountainside. When asked if the lack of a parade was a problem, he answered, "no parade? That's even better!"

Next door, at the bagel smashery, employees said that while orders for green bagels had gone down, business was still good. 

The lack of arrests was attributed to a "late start" due to the weather, according to one officer. The sheriff's office was present and groups of patrolmen were on duty on Saturday.

One downtown bouncer, who didn't give his name, said that there were much less people than in previous years, and contributed it to the fact that there was no parade this year. 

The annual St. Patrick's Day parade was canceled last month, when the parade committee and the city couldn't come to a compromise on when to hold the event. After last year's number of arrests and two reported sexual assualts, Mayor Dawn Zimmer said she would not allow the parade on a weekend day anymore. 

Fourth Ward Councilman Tim Occhipinti, standing on the corner of First and Bloomfield Streets on Saturday afternoon, said he wished the parade had happened this year. He added, though, that the city seemed much less crowded than previous years, even with the influx of green visitors.

"I'm glad there's no parade," said one Hobokenite in front of a house party. "That there's still a party ... means that the party just really lives within the people."

If you have any photos to share or you see anything, email clairem@patch.com or tell us on twitter.

Have fun today, be safe, and don't forget the police will be out there. 

For more updates, check back later. 

Related Topics: Hoboken St. Patrick's Day and Leprecon

ThisMeansWar

10:40 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Have Sara Sullivan and the 7 buses from Ohio State arrived yet? And she said there' be another 300 people from Boston College.

http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-to-host-irish-festival#comment_2500166

"She" seemed soooooo authentic - I know it just has to be true........

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rtrux

9:44 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

LOL! yeah, hey hooverboy/probus/kimcurious, any sign of sara sullivan? curious to know where they parked those seven buses (the hundred of boston college students took amtrak, i guess).

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Hoboken Questioner

11:49 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

I guess Dawn Zimmer won...the parade is dead. Sad. Somehow I was still hoping for a last minute miracle and we would get our parade back.

Mason411con

12:59 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Much less people, no parade. No problem.

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p1ywood

1:22 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

It certainly would seem that the crowds are under control and law enforcement is on top of it.

Word on the street is there is an emergency meeting of Old Guard blogging operative staff to dream up negative spin on everything going along smoothly.

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Eric

2:15 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Seems to be a pretty well behaved crowd so far.

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Mason411con

2:29 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Stop being optimistic. There's plenty of time for trouble and we're hoping for a death to pin on Zimmer to benefit Ms. Mason. Go Beth!

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p1ywood

3:27 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Maybe a couple of Old Guard operatives can beat each other up in front of a bar so there is some violence to report? I dunno, Mayor looking pretty good so far....

rtrux

4:08 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

the old guard spin...

1) lots of trouble: "see, that parade had nothing to do with it, the mayor's an idiot!!"
2) no trouble: "see, the mayor totally overreacted with the extra cops, what an idiot!!"

there, i saved lane probus, kimcurious and ooc the bother of posting.

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Mason411con

4:21 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Hey screw you rtrux. We'll be back!! We have plenty of hate and lies to spew.
At least until the FBI picks us up.

Outofcontrol

4:54 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Seems like the Zimmer Zombies are reacting to their own guilty consciences.
Pay no attention to the drunks on the strrts, they really aren't there. Zimmer did a great job at canceling a tradition and promoting public drunkenness.
I knew she was incompetent, but I never thought she was stupid. Now she has shown herself to be both! Keep up the good work mayor. Maybe next year you can get rid of those pesky Italians too.

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ThisMeansWar

5:02 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Have you contacted the Hemlock Society yet? Clearly that's the only thing left to do in your perpetually depressed and bitter state. You'll find people just like you there I'm sure.

It's time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemlock_Society

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Mason411con

5:03 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

You don't have a clue but then again how would you being in Secaucus. Things are going far better this year. Will you be spending any time with your favorite lugacon Mr. Raia?

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Bob R

5:03 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Seems like the Secaucus Goomars are reacting to their own lack of having any semblance of a life. Lady, you don't live in Hoboken and it's a beautiful day out. See if Pupie wants to take you out for a dip in the pool on top of his Shop Rite.

Pathetic.

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p1ywood

5:05 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Outofcontrol, you make no sense at all. You are so full of hate for others and yourself you can't even make a sensible comment. You are the paid for zombie, and you don't even live in Hoboken. It's ridiculous how futile your quest for negative spin is.

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HobokenTownie

7:51 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

You have one virtue - your consistency. Your comedy is growing old and unfunny like Chevy Chase!

p1ywood

5:12 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Outoccontrol just can't admit there is nothing negative to say about the town's response to this privately fueled event. Won't stop him from making 20 pointless comments in a failed attempt to dish Old Guard hate though.

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cassandra

5:30 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

It seems that 90% of the people who comment on these blogs are haters .

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Mason411con

5:54 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

No, those are just 90% of the Old Guard paid operatives. But you knew that. Please come back to Hoboken411 where Beth Mason underwrites the pure venomous hate for Hoboken. We know you are a hater too and we want you back.

PeoplePlease

7:35 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

STFU GA, no one cares about your stupid weather report or stupid blog. The vocal majority spoke today. Hoboken is a town run by the Hospitality industry and the sooner the mayor and the council realizes this and works to improve the QOL with this fact in mind, the sooner Hoboken can move forward. Get A Life you hateful hateful person.

HOBOKEN 1 - Mayor Zimmer 0

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Mason411con

7:54 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Gerald, please come back to Hoboken411. Don't waste your hate on that stupid GA. Have another drink and join us in hating Zimmer. We want your hate cuz we want Biffy B back.

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ThisMeansWar

7:55 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Wait, everyone else has to ask permission to make a little joke but you don't have to ask permission to be an ahole? Seems one-sided.

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Grafix Avenger

6:12 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Oh my, Biffy. You re one angry drunk!

Before you fall off your bar stool:

http://www.aa.org/lang/en/subpage.cfm?page=1

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PeoplePlease

11:04 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Yes, I had some drinks. You should try it some time.

Eric

8:09 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Thanks to the Mayor's efforts and the cooperation of the bar owners opening at 11 things weren't nearly as chaotic. I still don't understand how people can claim anyone discriminates against Irish people when there are 20 parades in the tristate area for 2 months before the actual holiday attended by people of all backgrounds. Enough with the boo hoo routine. The Irish have been fully assimilated into this country for decades

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Patcee

7:26 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

No discrimination against the Irish? Then tell me, what's the first thing that pops into your head when you hear the word "Irish?"

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Eric

8:37 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

My grandfather actually. I see what you're getting at though which is why I think you can't be for having the kind of parade and Fake Paddy's day like Hoboken has had in the past and cry discrimination. You're not making anyone proud to be Irish if you perpetuate that kind of nonsense and it pisses me off that no one on the committee thought to stand up for themselves and make a clear statement that they won't tolerate it.

Tennis Ace

8:52 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

OH BOY THOSE 4 MEATY DUDES IN GREEN LOOK LIKE THEY ARE GANGBANG TEAM, SHEEESHHH!

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Alan

9:40 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

why exactly does the mayor need 6-7 people posting here repeatedly to make sure everyone knows what the positive pro city hall spin is? what are you guys afraid of? it rained this morning, some people turned out and helped local businesses, the cops are better prepared then last year and it will probably be a win-win for everyone (bars, young people, shops) except for you who are spending your day concerned the mayors spin wont get out. she has a staff for that and i trust they will do it in a more professional way, it was a nice day today get some sunshine. id like to see some normal people comment on these boards but the SImple Seven have chased every1 away. And by the way just becuase Perry doesnt like the term Old Guard doesnt mean anyone else gives a damn except you! Old Guard Old Guard Old Guard Old Guard, wow i just offended myself by saying it.

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Mason411con

9:50 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Lane get you ass back here and do something. This is bullshit. If you would just do your job and focus on doing the ghostwriting on Hoboken411 Beth pays you for instead of trotting out new screen names like anyone is fooled by you at this point.

Feed Hoboken411, get the Mason money and be proud. In the end we'll complain about something else and Beth will send out glossy color mailers with a string of fantasy and this time we'll win.

You will be the Public Information Officer and every municipal employee will fear you.

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rtrux

9:53 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

dear "alan": please pardon me for liking a mayor who stemmed the tide of the culture of corruption in city hall, identify and fired slacker old guard lackies, stopped the flow of millions of dollars in stolen quarters, saved taxpayers from being on the hook for the hospital, and lowered taxes. yes, i must be a complete idiot for not wanting to go back to the old guard ways exemplified by the two out of the previous three mayors going to jail. you're right, thems was the good ol' days!

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Grafix Avenger

6:14 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Somebody buy him dinner at Amanda's and give him a cell phone- the BoE's paying.

Eric

10:24 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Alan go back to burying your head in the sand.

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Hoboken Questioner

10:25 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

I'm just so tired of all the negativity surrounding Mayor Zimmer on this issue. We know she killed the Parade, the public knows she killed the Parade and her own constituency knows she killed the Parade. Her followers have been hoping for bad weather and arrests all week long. This is just really negative. I'm tired of it.

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Hoboken Answer

10:39 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

I'm just so tired of all your negativity Lane surrounding your bad investment in Beth Mason getting you the Public Information Officer job at City Hall. We know you thought you had the PIO job, the public knows you were Bajobseeking for it even when you flipped to Peter Cammarano and the Old Guard knows it too. Your negativity has dragged you down to the place you are now and you fail to look in the mirror and take any responsibility for it. We're tired of it and Kim is too.

Why haven't you written a resolution insisting on the parade being held on Saturday for Beth Mason? You've written plenty of other "stuff" for her but in almost a year since the mayor said no parade on the weekend, Beth Mason hasn't done squat.

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p1ywood

10:42 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Uh, close, paid mouthpiece for Mason for Mayor 2013. You are the negative one who clearly will never admit you are linked to some of the most disreputable persons in Hoboken and do their bidding for a fee. The parade committee killed the parade. As everyone seems to know but the Mason spin questioners. End of story. Could you at least retire that one lie. We all know it is not a good day for the Old Guard spin machine since the day went off without any major hitches, but please stop resorting to lies, your fake exasperation comes off like children's theater.

ThisMeansWar

10:53 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Paid liar Lane Prosbus-HQ: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2443563

Paid liar Kim Curiousgal: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2441917

Presently 467 out of 538 districts with budget elections have switched to November elections.

Additionally, PAID LIAR Lane has a HISTORY of VIOLENCE and getting ARRESTED at BOE meetings. http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ssf/2010/04/hoboken_police_blotter_hoboken_3.html For her part PAID LIAR Kim has NEVER been to a BOE meeting.

Don't waste your time listening to PAID LIARS and thugs.

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ccj

11:25 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Guys and Gals....I know it's incredibly off topic but in the end I don;t care about the parade or non parade, all I know is that Zimmer saved the city millions of dollars by having the strategy, insight an execution to ensure that the city wasn't stuck with the hospital and it's bonds even though Russo, Masson and Castellano put every obstacle in her path to ensure its sale would fail. For that alone she has shone herself to be quite smart an adept at getting the IMPORTANT stuff done. Mason can worry herself about the cell phones that she never followed up on after the city had to spend $10,000 defending itself against her suits. Yes, one of your own council person's actions cost the city $10,000 and she doesn't seem to care. It's only your money anyway, so not her problem...

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Jabberwock

11:58 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

ccj: if a government does something wrong, do you think they should not be held accountable for the legal costs when a citizen took them to task...and won? Mason's now visible true colors aside...are you saying that the administration, at that time, that was refusing to allow filming of the (public) council meetings should have been allowed to continue to bar filming? When the government behaves badly, do you not agree that they should face consequences? (in that case being assessed legal costs?) Yes, we the taxpayer ended up shouldering the cost of their wrong-doing, but it was the elected officials in power that really cost the taxpayer money, not Mason (that time.) It's not that easy to be awarded expenses. Clearly the government in power was breaching the public trust. Do you see it differently? I say, when that happens, hit the government HARD so they will learn not to violate the rights of their citizens and if the citizens don't like shouldering that burden, vote 'em out...which is what we all did.

Jabberwock

11:42 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

All seems quiet outside my window tonight and I'm pondering all the spin that's so locked down. Did the mayor kill the parade? Did the parade committee kill the parade? I don't blame the committee for saying 'no' to a Wednesday night; I don't know what they would have said to Sunday - but, somewhere I read that the Mayor wouldn't allow that either. I also don't blame the Mayor for feeling that she had to do something, that rock/hard place thing. Bottom line is that it is sad that we lost the parade, in the 25 years since the first, it did become a Hoboken tradition. Yes, to those that believe that the only tradition in Hoboken older than 10 years is the tradition of corruption; you're wrong. And I do cringe at the spin I expect to see on the blogs about the Mayor's Irish festival. I probably won't go because I don't want to be a pawn in the St. Pat's old tradition vs. new tradition war that'll undoubtedly break out behind screen names. Shout out to to Hobbs: I couldn't resist a look skyward today...Not one chopper stirring

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Hobbs

12:03 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Yeah sorry Jabberwock no chopper we can chalk that up to another lie by Perry Klaussen's and his H411 my fault for beliveing anything on that hate site.

I am sure he and his blog will find some way to attack Mayor Zimmer no matter what she does too. ;-)

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Grafix Avenger

6:30 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Jabberwock, the committee said 'no' to Wednesday, period- not Wednesday 'night'. The day was open- the City did not restrict the committee to a time, and the parade could have been held anytime. NYC's St. Patty's Day Parade starts at 11 am.

As for blog-spinnery re: the Irish Festival, sounds like your crystal ball's got it all figured out, so shoot me over an email and tell me what I'm going to write pls, to save me the trouble. If you believe your attendance at a City-hosted event makes you a 'pawn', perhaps you're over-thinking the matter? You are anonymous here, if that makes a difference.

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Redrider765

8:33 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

GA, let's just say the committee said yes to Wednesday. Who besides a bunch of Hoboken politicians, stay at home moms and unemployed people would be available to watch the parade or march on Wednesday? All of us w/ jobs work and don't get home til 6-8 PM. Do you expect us to take a day off from work for this parade? Sorry but we don't even do that when St. Patty's is on a weekday in NYC. A parade on a weekday is a parade that not even the people in the parade will bother to show up for.

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Mister Whipple

8:35 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

So Jabberwock would you say that by weighing out all the different nuances of the Irish festivals you are essentially "deconstructing" the issue? I tend to agree that such a process can often get to the bottom of something and yield important truths.

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Grafix Avenger

8:51 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Red, the Halloween parade at 3pm gets a huge turn-out. I'd say an earlier parade on Wednesday would have gotten more of the folks scared off by rowdy, drunk out-of-towners on a Saturday.

Or, a parade at 6 or 7. Daylight savings time starts on March 11. Marching in the dark is a BS argument.

Sorry, we'll never agree on this.

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Redrider765

9:06 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

GA - those are all moms taking their kids trick or treating on Washington Street at the local businesses. About the only adults who would show up for that event who don't have kids are Batman and Robin.

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Grafix Avenger

9:19 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Red- you didn't respond to the evening, post Daylight savings time parade option.

Sorry, but the folks who won't budge from 'its only a parade if its on Saturday' are not addressing the cause for changing the day... the attendant crime wave. Our cops are not punching bags. Our city is not a urinal. Or a garbage can. That's the bottom line.

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Redrider765

11:17 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Parade on a weekday is still a non-starter. Who but government employees would get home in time to get ready, go out, have fun and still get home early enough that they weren't half asleep the next day? And do you honestly think the marchers who tend to start showing up a couple hours before parade time would ever make it to the parade especially the folks who come by car or bus from other towns? The answer is no. They would have to clock out of work early to do that. So they won't be coming either. A parade on a weekday is a nonstarter. It just logistically makes no sense unless you only want stay at home moms, their kids and the unemployed to show up.

Hoboken Questioner

11:46 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

FOX 5 ran a very nostalgic report showing a band playing the bag pipes just to try to keep the tradition alive. Yes...Zimmer killer the parade. But maybe someday we can get it back. There is always hope even when things are dark. This town just needs to get together to get rid of Zimmer.

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p1ywood

12:25 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Parade committee cancelled the parade. What we need to do is get Ms Mason and Mr Russo off the council so the forces are not in place where fools like you don't get paid to blog these kinds of lies. You really should be ashamed of repeating the same lies over and over for a profit. Get a real job that you might be able to tell your children about without glossing over your "Hoboken questionable" ethics. Get over the fact that all the money in the world doesn't make your lies true.

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Hoboken Answer

1:33 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Here's a nostalgic Martha Stewart like report:

Someone tell Lane Bajardi and Kim Cardinal:

Federal law establishes a possible penalty of 5 years in prison for making a false statement to the federal government or its agents:

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully-

(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;

shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years.

5 Years Lane, 5 years!

L. W. Gaston

12:47 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Nothing like the Parade in Savannah. Even dye the river green.

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p1ywood

1:11 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

LW Gaston, I believe it is Chicago where the dying of the river is and annual tradition. Savannah is reported to have tried it once, and never again: scroll down to "Chicago River on St. Patricks Day" on this link:
http://www.history.com/topics/st-patricks-day

Eric

4:06 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Hoboken Questioner things aren't dark when elected officials put the people and their general well being ahead of an event that has become a serious problem. That's how it's supposed to work. Zimmer did her job and things were much better this year, perhaps next year the committee will follow her lead and make a real plan and effort to ensure that it stays that way.

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puzzledone

8:07 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

A few thoughts, no politics, just thoughts:

1. If you believe that the only way to celebrate Irish Heritage is with a drinkfest, you are reducing the culture to a prejudice. On that front, the Irish Festival is a better reflection of culture. And yes, I have been in Ireland, and there are a lot of pubs, but only the Americans out there are sloppy drunks.
2. To those bar owners who are complaining about the reduced turnout, sorry folks. Guess you should have been discussing bankrolling this with city hall and the committee. Not the taxpayers job to give you such a gift.
3. To those who thought that joining a facebook group was a commitment, get a clue. One look at the list showed more comments that said "Can't be there, dude" than anything else.

Now, let's move on.

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ThisMeansWar

9:01 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

I love a parade. Here are a few Wednesday parades.

2011 Weds, 6:30PM
http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ssf/2011/05/hoboken_memorial_day_parade_pl.html

2010 Weds, 7PM
http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ssf/2010/05/hoboken_memorial_day_parade_to_1.html

2009 Weds, 6:45PM
http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ssf/2009/05/hoboken_memorial_day_parade_to.html

Sunset March 14 is at 7:02. On May 25th it's 8:16. So we are fighting over 1 hour and 14 minutes.

Further, that 2010 parade started 1.25 hours before sunset. A 6pm parade on 3/14 would start 1 hour before sunset. We're told it's an "insult" to St Pats parade participants to start at such an hour -- but not to veterans and their lost comrades? The hypocrisy, quite obviously now, is limitless.

One hears that the mayor needs to "compromise." But some compromises are not the mayor's to tender. This is one of them.

It's not for nothing that you haven't heard a peep out of the council minority. They fought her over every nickel and did all in their power to sink the hospital sale. Yet they have nothing to say now?

Two possibilities.

1) They know the parade HAD to be moved from Saturday but lacked the personal integrity to admit the administration was right.

2) They disagree with the administration but haven't gotten around to saying so.

Bottom line, the people that didn't like Zimmer still don't; the ones who did still do; a few in the middle are now in her camp. Spin that.

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Grafix Avenger

9:25 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Someone told me that Castellano had complained she has to pay $1,500 or thereabouts to have someone watch her store (protect it) on parade-days.

The CC minority is quiet because they don't oppose the mayor on this one. Nor do most of their constituents who hardly like the invasion of out-of-town brats, many (NOT all) of whom disrespect our city and it's residents. The CC minority agrees: our cops are not punching bags. Our streets are not urinals.

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/03/leper-con-verdict.html

PeoplePlease

9:26 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

My favorite part about the Fox 5 piece was when Zimmer said that the drunkenness was a bit calmer this year, as a man in a gorilla outfit and a green hat whent dancing by behind her.

I prob replayed that 10x

Btw, I was in the middle, voted for her, and will now campaign for a candidate that does not get "overwhelmed".

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Grafix Avenger

9:32 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Biffy, no one gives a crap what over-grown frat boys think.

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ThisMeansWar

9:54 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

You'll have to choose among Monday morning quarterbacks, because not one past candidate for mayor publicly opposed moving the parade.

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Bob R

9:59 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

You can safely ignore this drunken loser, Biffy won't be campaigning for anyone, ever. You have to put the bottle down and get off the couch first, and that ain't happenin'. He'll be campaigning for the late-night video special at Romantic Depot and that's the last you'll hear from him for a few days.

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Hoboken Answer

12:03 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

If only people were blind and couldn't tell the difference between streets overrun and a far smaller number of people. Then we'd all be voting Biffy B for mayor and buying Gerald more drinks.

You didn't vote for the mayor before and you will vote for whatever corrupt POS the Old Guard puts forward again.

That's who you are Gerald.

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Rory Chadwick

2:12 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

I thought you went to the Hamptons Gerald? Do you go to the Hamptons to relax or go there to comment out here? PS I rang your buzzer and you didn't come down? I heard noise coming from the apartment. Hope whomever was there had a good time.

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Grafix Avenger

2:49 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Rory, you know this doosh? Sorry to hear it.

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Rory Chadwick

3:21 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

@ GA he is an ok guy, a little hot tempered sometimes but in all fairness not a bad guy. He likes to poke fun of me for riding around with Batman which goes in one ear and out the other, a little hair pulling here and there but he is ok. I know everyone dislikes him but he does seem like a decent guy to me.

xtreme

9:29 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Another celebration down....can't wait until next year. All in all, there was less crime and people still out having fun. I think it was one of the better SPD weekends i've had here.....and no tickets or arrests. :) I hope everyone had fun.

BTW - I don't recall seeing any helicopter though I did notice Summit EMS squad in town.

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Hobbs

10:02 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Sorry no helicopter. Apparently that was just another in a long string of lies published by Perry Klaussen and his hate411 blog.

At this point it is fair to assume unless verified by ligit sources anything he publishes in not the truth.

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Redrider765

3:39 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

I am sure Lane saw plenty of helicopters over town. Like most of what Lane ghost writes, it was all in his mind.

FAP

10:22 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

On the whole the day seemed a lot more manageable than in years passed.

.From walking around yesterday it seemed much smaller than in years past. At 11:30 I didn't see a door line at a particular midtown bar that is usually packed to the gills. It will be interesting to see data like crowd estimates and hospital reports.

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Jabberwock

10:24 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

GA: I think RR summed it up entirely. I work, so 6:00 or 7:00 Wednesday is not a parade watching option. Referencing the 3pm Halloween parade (which I've NEVER seen because I work) is strange. Parades at 3pm are just for the stay @ home mommies and their kids. On the Zimmer Irish day event, no need to launch you an email about the online blogging, I'll just wait and see. I'm confident about the commentary that I'll be reading. And to your other post - I'm not a fan of any out-of-town drink fest, but that's what we were left with. Your post indicates that Zimmer said Wednesday...period. If that's the case, Sunday was not an option given to the Parade committee either (which I think might have been a middle ground to maintain the tradition that now is lost.) The metaphor is like giving someone free tickets to Aspen to go skiing in August. Sure, you could still take the tickets and go, but there wouldn't be any skiing available. The whole who "killed" the parade is spin either way, but Zimmer certainly set ground rules that would prevent a large segment of local residents (people that work) from being able to see it, enjoy it in real time and participate. Try, at least, acknowledging that.

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Mister Whipple

10:43 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Actually, myself and many others who work full time still manage to get to the Halloween parade every year because the meat of it starts around the very end of the average work day. Weekday afternoon parades are generally manageable on any work schedule, and I would certainly wag my finger at any "mommies with kids" at the loud, riotous Halloween parade.

Also, out of curiosity, what type of job do you work, if you don't mind my asking? For example, many jobs are pretty cut and dried when it comes to the daily schedule, but when it comes to cultural events that matter to an area's local population, it's not uncommon for city and county employees to enjoy some flexibility to leave early and see the parade. Is this a circumstance that might apply to you in any way?

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Hobbs

10:49 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

I work in Manhattan too and I have no problem making it back to Hoboken by 6 or 7 and by the crowds on the PATH and 126 bus arround that time lots of others have no problem.

PS: Aspen is very nice in August, :-)

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Grafix Avenger

10:55 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Well, Jabberwock. It's all about you, then.

Was a Sunday parade-date ever entertained as an option? I don't know.

My view (and mine alone) is that a Sunday parade would have turned a 12-hour onslaught into a 24 hour-one, because our out-of-town friends would have started the 'party' on Saturday afternoon. "Try, at least acknowledging that". IMO, it would have solved nothing of the attendant crime wave issues- just made it a marathon event: Saturday AND Sunday- more expensive and unpleasant for residents. Now, I've got no pipeline to City Hall (or to the Almighty) on this one, but I imagine that Sunday was nixed for that reason.

Re: commentary on the Irish festival blogging- don't "wait and see". I'll blog it if there's something I want to say, so your "confidence" is simply that- confidence. Or smug self-assurance. Eeenie meenie miney moe.

As for preventing a large segment of people from attending the parade ("people that work") let's say that the attendant drunken Saturday mobs prevented a large segment of residents from dealing with unpleasantness- or even staying in Hoboken for that matter. So IMO, it's 6 of one, a half-dozen of the other.

I will err on the side of public safety. I wish we could have our Saturday parade and our 'guests' (and their resident hosts) could behave better. That's what I'll acknowledge.

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pied piper

11:01 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Odd, Castellano seems to be on the same page as Zimmer, regarding moving the parade ot a weekday- Here, Zimmer is apparently "working with" the minority and she gets slammed. Falls under the damned if you do, damned if you don't category, no?

Castellano-Mar 2011

I have attended every St. Patrick’s Day Parade since day one. This weekend’s numerous acts of violence, including knife and gun assaults, and the two reported sexual assaults, have signaled a new, more ominous tone to the parade weekend.

I have seen some pretty awful behavior on parade days in years past. What happened in our city this past weekend crossed into a new level of depravity. What was once just a crude display of drunkenness, punctuated by public lewdness and disrespect of private property, has degenerated into an environment where not only women are sexually assaulted, but police officers and firefighters have to battle a barrage of bottles and, in one reported case, human feces, to do their job. This is an outrage and we will not stand for it.

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pied piper

11:03 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

contin..
I proposed the original “Zero Tolerance” ordinance in 2009. Today, I proposed that the council revisit that ordinance as a way to show the public that the city is reacting to its serious concerns. Hoboken was a hostile place to be this weekend, especially for women. We can’t tell the world that the St. Patrick’s Day Parade was a smashing success when we know that at least two women may have been sexually assaulted and that fights were breaking out across the city well into the night. The bitter truth is that this day has become a scourge on our community. There is no other way to say it. We are compelled to take action because we represent the citizens of Hoboken, who have suffered this insult long enough.

Among the proposals I will present to the city council are:

• Moving the parade to a weekday.

• Restricting beer and liquor service to 11 a.m., year round.

• Examine public safety staffing requirements for a 50,000-person city.

• Overhaul current emergency plan for parades and events.

• Hold a working public hearing, including testimony from residents, representatives of the city’s hospitality industry, and public safety officials. Come up with community-driven ideas for solutions and compromise.

• Enforce the Zero Tolerance policy, 12 months out of the year.

• Keep municipal courts open to process violations during special events.

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pied piper

11:03 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

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• Reinstate stricter community service requirements, and reinstate reporting of arrests in defendants’ hometown newspapers.

No one person can be held responsible for the events of last weekend. We must all take responsibility for what’s happened to this parade – legislators who failed to get tough laws on the books, an industry that can sometimes puts profits over community, and those who tolerate and encourage behavior that is detrimental to our city. I hope this is a first step towards taking back our parade and celebration.

Sincerely,

Theresa Castellano

Read more: Hudson Reporter - St Pat’s parade reached new level of depravity

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Hoboken Answer

12:07 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

What I'm comfortable acknowledging is you are one of the most passive agressive dooshes I've seen online in Hoboken in years.

The parade committee said my way or the highway, Saturday or nothing and threatened to sue the city. Bluff called, game over.

Try to at least acknowledge that.

Eileen Always

11:12 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Just makes me appreciate NY more.
Can't wait til our parade!
Come on over Hoboken, we welcome you, always.
Happy St. Patrick's Day!

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uggh

12:23 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

I predict that cryan, ramos and the other knuckleheads will try to use this an an issue, and will overplay it and it will backfire and blowup in their faces, much like every other idiotic idea they have tried to throw at the wall. So far, nothing has stuck, Nada, zip, zilch.

I always have had a great time at the parade and wished we still had a parade. But in the grand scheme of things, the cancellation was no big deal. Cryans letter was idiotic, And the leprecon bar crawl was weak. Above sixth street it was quieter than a normal Saturday all day. Good marketing plan by a few savvy bars who made a killing, and the police presence kept the 20 something man child's who live with their parents in check.

I continue to underestimate zimmer, and thought she would have been in over her head. However she continues to keep her detractors and enemies at bay with simple sound solutions. Simple as that. Those keeping score at home, its about 40-0, albeit only in the first half.

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Hoboken Answer

12:40 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

A parade on a Sunday is like telling a crack addict all the crack you gave them Saturday is for next weekend and they shouldn't smoke it all up over the next 36 hours.

We kept being told the parade had nothing to do with the problems but everyone saw no parade, lower numbers and at least a manageable event. And there are no guarantees next time even with that.

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Jabberwock

12:50 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

me, passive/aggressive? H.A.? Seriously? Because I don't see it as simply black and white, i.e., Every thought/move/idea coming from Zimmer is absolutely, positively perfect in every conceivable way? Unlike (apparently) you - I'm not here for either "side" and refuse to resort to silly, childish name-calling. To GA: No, it's not ALL about me; it's all about everyone. However, the "me" part, can mourn the loss of a Hoboken tradition (the actual weekend parade,) no? But, I see your point and it was absolutely something to think about when changing the parade day... that Sunday might have turned a 1-day event into a weekend event. (how's that for acknowledgment?) I thought Dawn was in a rock/hard place, I think I've made that clear many times. I would not have been in a position to attend a weeknight/eve/day parade, so for me - the no weekend parade was the parade's death knell, but, that's just me. (I've never been to the Halloween parade & only made the Memorial Day parade a couple of times...I think it is around 7:00PM, no?) Hobbs, I'm glad you can get back to Hoboken @ 6. M. Whipple, I don't work for the city and my schedule isn't 'set' set or 'cut & dry' - I don't mind your asking what I do, but suffice to say, I have global clients, quotas and deadlines that need to be attended to in real time. I try to keep it all to normal EST business hours, but often, not successfully. In closing, I hope the kids that were out and about yesterday had fun.

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Mister Whipple

1:04 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Thank you for the response and for partially addressing the question as to whether you work for the city or county. At the end of the day, all who care to attend Hoboken cultural festivities have to juggle and manage many priorities, work and non-work related, whether the event is on a weekday or weekend. That applies to all who work for private companies, the City of Hoboken or the County of Hudson.

Eric

4:00 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Owl you had your party so why exactly are you still butt hurt? Jeez man, you're so uptight about this. What's wrong with people not wanting to be disturbed if they choose to opt out? Most people just want to mind their own business and be left alone, is that ok with you? Obviously you had a great time while being considerate enough of your neighbors that they didn't need to call the cops. Good for you, you're not the problem. What part of this are you not getting? If there were more people like you this wouldn't be an issue.

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HOBO87

5:00 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

I saw loads of police from other towns and the county. If we're getting that absolutely for free, fine. If we're paying anything for it explicitly or implicitly (like giving free extra police hours to other towns in some other case) then that's a very real common sense reason to be 'butt hurt' about this whole stupidity. And extra piss, puke and garbage all over the place isn't a total non issue either, for those who didn't grown up in a barn.

There were definitely fewer people yesterday than recent years. I doubt it was all due to the predicted weather. Going around getting drunk doesn't require excellent weather and the weather reports I saw said it probably wouldn't be raining after the morning, nor intolerably cold. Anyway the fewer the better. If more come in future years we can think of what else to do to discourage them. But so far Zimmer made the right call on this one.

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Hobbs

6:28 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

I would say since Jamie Darrah and her friend want to take credit for Lepre.con and promoted it I think she/they should pick up the bill for their actions . :-)

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HobokenTownie

12:34 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012

Zimmer's plan absolutely backfired. In the end, people who like the parade were screwed out of a parade and there was a level of insanity just like years past. The people have spoken and next year the city will be forced to have a parade because the cancellation did not deter the boozing that occurred.

Grafix Avenger

5:50 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

Leper-con, the for-profit event that tapped the City's coffers should have applied for a permit, just like any other outdoor event requiring police and sanitation manpower. A no-brainer. It's not Santa-con. It's a city-wide bar-crawl.

I think the City should look into recouping our losses.

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/03/leper-con-needed-permit.html

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