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City Anticipates September Opening of Uptown Soccer Field

City Council approved to award a contract to start construction.

 

Hoboken's soccer and baseball players should be able to play on a brand new field come September. The Hoboken City Council voted to approve a contract to start construction on a new soccer field at 1600 Park.

City Directors Brandy Forbes, Leo Pellegrini and Ian Sacs all said opening of the field by then is doable.

During the new council majority's first council meeting last Friday, the council voted in a 6-2 vote to approve a contract to construct the field, in order for it to open in time. Councilwoman Carol Marsh abstained. Councilman David Mello expressed his worry about the timing of the contract, saying there are too many other concerns to figure out before approving construction. Among those concerns are the impact of the construction on the nearby traffic patterns.

The field, explained Health and Human Services Director Leo Pellegrini, will have to be elevated by a two-foot cap, because of a pile of dirt that is currently there.

Mello said that the city should move forward as quickly as possible on the project, but proposed to postpone the vote until July 13. Most of his council colleagues disagreed.

Another concern that has been mentioned is that, once elevated, parents cannot see their children on the field from the street, explained Transportation and Parking Director Ian Sacs.

Pellegrini said that the cost of the construction of the field is included in this year's budget.

"It’s such a big issue in town," Third Ward Councilman Michael Russo said, "getting our kids out in the field."

Russo, usually critical of the administration, said "I fully support the mayor on this."

By voting to award this contract, the council and City Directors implied that Hoboken's children will be able to play baseball and soccer on a new field at 1600 Park come the Fall.

jenn

9:45 am on Wednesday, July 6, 2011

What about the soccer field falling into the river? Will the counsil be hiring the same competent company to construct this park?

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Hobbs

10:53 am on Wednesday, July 6, 2011

The Zimmer Administration has taken the lead in kickstarting projects like 1600 Park that have been ignored for many years past Administrations . The grants to clean up 1600 Park were about to expire and would have cost Hoboken taxpayers addition money if they were not acted upon.

So KUDOS to Directors Forbes, Pellegirni and Sacs and others who despite the constant attacks, attempts to cut their salaries and verbal abuse by Michael Russo at almost every City Council meeting did their job for Hoboken.

As far as who gets to build it, I doubt that construction firms and developers so friendly to past Administrations (Russo/Roberts) will even bother to place bids and if they do they will be under far more scruitiny than ever in the past to do the proper job

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Keating Five

10:30 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Hobbs, you truly feel this is the most competent administration you have ever seen? You have lived a sheltered life at best.

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KenOn10

1:16 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Today's nit pick - 1600 Park was not "cleaned up", it was "remediated". The toxins remain under a layer of dirt that is a few feet thick in some areas... and 0 inches thick in other parts due to erosion. That's what $484,000 bought.

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Redrider765

1:35 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

The toxins are under a membrane. The membrane is under the dirt used to cap it. The $484K paid for a hell of a lot more than just dumping some dirt on that site and spreading some grass seed to control erosion. I am guessing you didn't drive by much while they were working on it?

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KenOn10

6:00 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Bad guess - i saw the work being done. i am guessing you have not WALKED by recently and seen just how much of the fill is now missing. Regardless, the point is that the toxins were not removed, just capped.

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Redrider765

6:11 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

I drive by it almost every single day and I see exactly how much of the fill is gone. And I also know that the membrane is what keeps the toxins under wraps and not the fill. I also know that they spent something like 2 weeks screwing around w/ that membrane and almost no time at all spreading topsoil and grass seed. Your point is you were nitpicking for no reason about a temporary cap that was always designed to be temporary.

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Outofcontrol

6:23 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Actually, you should go to the DEP website. You'll see that the membrane does not surfice as a cap. the soil above is just as important and the amount of soil needed is dictated by the severity of the toxins. Therefore, if the soil is not contained, the likely hood that toxins will rise above the cap is a significant concern.

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KenOn10

11:18 am on Friday, July 8, 2011

red, you think the cap is temporary? why? the prior patch story mentions they are just waiting for NJDEP approval before further construction... nothing at all about further remediation efforts. i'd say the cap is there for good.

I worry that the remediation was done sloppy, judging by the lack of basic erosion control... and also the membrane doesn't extend to the street, as if that last 10 feet of soil is miraculously clean. hence my comment that it wasn't a "clean up" because the problem wasn't solved, only indefinitely deferred. these things matter to me.

What matters to you? What is the point of your posts here?

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Redrider765

11:32 am on Friday, July 8, 2011

The cap is temporary b/c the permanent cap was always intended to be the field and park that will be built on that site. I suppose the fact they are building a retaining wall, filling in the area w/ more dirt and it will be a permanent fixture in this town slipped your mind, right? Go find something else to nitpick about. I suggest you start complaining about clouds or something equally trivial.

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pied piper

11:45 am on Friday, July 8, 2011

Interesting perspective Ken on 10, what is your view point of the construction/contractors who built the collapsed road?

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KenOn10

1:35 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011

you assume the additional construction will serve as part of the remediation, which seems unlikely since the DEP must inspect BEFORE that. But, perhaps I should move on to cloud nitpicking... a vastly more worthwhile endeavor than your endless, mind-numbing nattering about masonite / russocrat / zimmertini plots.

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Redrider765

1:51 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011

Jeez you are dense. The remediation is the membrane that permanently seals away the contaminated soil from the surface. Anything put on top of that membrane (like a park or field) as a permanent fixture is naturally going to be part of making sure that contaminated soil keeps the metals and coal dust contaminating that site from escaping. Now you are complaining to just complain.

You just can't admit that you are dead wrong and that erosion you were moaning about was not what we spent $480K on in your initial post. Sucks to be wrong but seriously dude, man up already and admit you were wrong. You are looking sillier w/ each post.

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KenOn10

3:11 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011

Is the site "cleaned up"? No, it is not. Is it a potential hazard? I don't know but there is bad erosion and the membrane doesn't cover all the soil. Maybe that is good enough for you, but for $480k I'd prefer more thorough work.

No matter, you wouldn't know right from wrong any better than you know the meaning of the word the "temporary" (which you use to mean "unfinished").

One hallmark of not-very-smart people is that they tend to call other people dumb, dense or stupid... a regular theme in your posts.

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Redrider765

3:29 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011

Ken, that is because you are dumb. You started off complaining about how much we spent on remediation and erosion that you thought exposed contaminated soil not realizing the contaminated soil was sealed under a membrane that to this day still remains buried. You ignore the fact that the dirt and grass on that site was always meant as a temporary measure to cover that membrane (don't give me semantics about "unfinished BS") until we could get a park built. And as usual, you are wrong and refuse to admit it. Don't worry, I am used to you useless complaining about a whole lot of nothing b/c the one thing that never changes is you nitpick whenever you post.

But I'll tell you what. Since you seem to think the city overpaid how about you put your damn money where your mouth is and bid on remediation project somewhere in town and do it for less than the contractors that do that work professionally. Personally I think you not only will screw up the job but you will go bankrupt in the process.

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KenOn10

4:27 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011

sure red, anyone who disagrees with you is dumb. anyone whose opinion you don't understand is dumb. Einstein said that a lot, too.

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Redrider765

6:57 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011

I understand your opinion plenty. You hate Zimmer, you hate the proposed park b/c it won't have the trees and grass you want to complain about it. So you nitpick about a whole lot of nothing.

Anthony

5:05 pm on Wednesday, July 6, 2011

Good news. I play soccer and used to play down at Sinatra Park in the leagues before it got shut down. I fear that mess won't be addressed fo a long time, which is sad because it is a beautiful field.

At keast these idiots at city hall can all agree that a park up there is a good idea and hsould happen sooner rather than later.

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Redrider765

5:11 pm on Wednesday, July 6, 2011

I think the city is waiting for permits from the state and feds. Can't do anything til then w/ respect to repairing Sinatra Park.

Keating Five

11:34 pm on Wednesday, July 6, 2011

Redrider, the city has been very busy watching it fall into the waterfront while not engaging in snow-removal, pothole fixxing or making sure Hertz sweeps the streets under their Hertzconnect cars as the contract stipulates they must. Now they will hire some "design consultants" for the new park at 1600 and we will have a series of Dawn and pony shows about "community input" and get what the "experts" we pay want us to pay for.

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Redrider765

6:41 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

You didn't care about potholes or crumbling waterfronts when the city neglected its infrastructure and made dumb moves related to the waterfront when Russo and Roberts were in charge. But now that an outsider is in charge, you expect her to fix decades of neglect in 2 years and with no money? Please, spare us your feigned outrage. Tell Mason she needs some smarter less obvious trolls.

Outofcontrol

8:57 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Here we go again...Someone says something negative about Zimmer and right away it's a Mason plot. Fact is RR, your mayor has been woefully derelict in her duties. Potholes abound, parks are filthy, streets are filthy, parking hasn't been addressed, taxes still too high, fewer cops on the streets, schools that are under attack by her minions, snow wasn't removed, Sinatra park hasn't been repaired, businesses closing left and right, crime is up...yup, she's doing a great job.

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Redrider765

9:19 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Fact is your facts are erroneous. We have fewer cops on the payroll but more on the streets b/c they aren't eating donuts at HQ. The mayor has upped how much we spend on paving to start the long process of correcting the negligence of previous administrations. That is how you fix roads, not w/ patches that are rougher than the pothole they replaced. Taxes are still too high but that is b/c we pay people too much and she can't force the unions to take the sorts of pay cuts I'd like to see happen. Sinatra can't be repaired til we get permits (DUHHHH). The rest of the parks are fine, how about you toss your trash in a trash can instead of on the ground and nobody cares about street sweeping. Street sweeping is just done to harass car owners into moving their cars and give the city an excuse to write tickets. The city did no better or worse w/ snow than anyone else in the area (clearly you've never lived in a town that sees blizzards every year). As for parking, the new muni meters added more spots, Sacs is increasing utilization of the garage so again you are full of crapola. But here is a solution they aren't pursing that I'd like to see them pursue, parking permits should be increased in price to $500 or more per car. That would do wonders for parking. The only thing you are right about is crime is up which is why the FBI is here looking at the people you support.....LOL

Now please wipe that drool off your chin you brain dead troll.

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Passkey

12:23 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Recall that during the the winter not even emergency routes were cleared. That was a pretty big oversight on the part of the management of the city in my opinion. I'm not surprised at the idea about $500 parking permit---seems consistent with also asking parents of children to pay for them playing (even when we had millions of dollars in surplus). I find the Zimmer supporter's to be sounding more and more like tea-baggers with each passing day.

hobokenhorse.com

9:18 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

No but when you have one carping Mason political operative who isn't paid for friendship and another by Raia who is not paid for friendship or even living in Hoboken, hard not to take what's coming from "the messenger."

Parking is improved and Corner Cars is helping that - opposed by the Old Guard.
More police on the streets - well the Old Guard says less and fights to give them support with Class II officers.
Taxes go down another 5% when the budget is passed. Old Guard too incompetent to just pass it months ago.
Snow? Snow in July?
Sinatra Park - another failure from the 90s being cleaned up now. It's a $12 million project. It doesn't get done overnight because you say so.

Ask your friend to write a $12 million check and the work can begin.

Same ole, same old with the Old Guard.

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Keating Five

9:54 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Counter-intuitive to say the least. Over the fourth of July weekend I saw several "corner cars" taking up spaces formerly used by residents. Some parking improvement. Genius. Winning. Sinatra Park being cleaned up? Sure looks like a lot of work is being done on a daily basis. How much does Stan pay you to come up with this stuff? What will the FBI find on the City Hall computers about your relationship with the mayor's cartel? C'mon Roman, own up.

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p1ywood

5:19 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Keating Five once again doesn't have a single fact straight.

Keating Five

9:51 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

It would seem the FBI was going after the occupants of city hall, not anyone else - property taxes have gone down less than 1% - "another 5%" is an interesting way of putting it, particularly since we were overtaxxed to the point of a surplus last year. You guys hate when anyone questions the mayor's expertise - her lack of experience is only tempered by her love of power. She does not govern, she campaigns. There is a difference and she has been in office long enough to have learned it but has simply refused to. The municipal garage fiacsco comes to mind. The deplorable condiditon of uptown Washington Street comes to mind. Her minions on the school board's inability to challenge either Carter or Toback in their determintation to deny tenure to two of the absolute best edutcators Hoboken has ever seen comes to mind. Her embrace of Christie while trying to domintate the local democratic party comes to mind. The "Nixonian' circling of the wagons and attacking of anyone who disagrees with any of the mayor's policies by paid and unpaid bloggers alike comes to mind. The list goes on. Incompetent and paranoid. Gotta love that in the executive branch of government.

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hobokenhorse.com

9:57 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Oh boy, who's turn is it to watch Beth Mason's minion, who isn't paid for her friendship?

It's another 5% reduction as soon as the budget passes. The mayor is doing a number of things on a number of fronts while Beth Mason and Mike Russo do nothing on a number of fronts and complain about it while undermining Hoboken for political reasons.

What experience does Beth Mason deliver to City Hall now? Has her phony resume produced any results when she ran the Council? Any budget cuts, any innovative ideas? No, it was just political attacks and obstruction and now the it would seem the FBI will be weighing in on all of you.

Did you give them good information or do you think you gave them something they will find acceptable?

There is no paid bloggers other than Mason's minion and her Hoboken411 political apparatus.

How's Newark?

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Keating Five

10:02 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

I am not talking about Mason who needs to learn to work smarter than she has been doing. I am talking about you. Your blog has consistently been nothing more than a propaganda factory, distorting facts, attacking anyone perceived as a threat to Zimmer's total dominance of every political aspect of Hoboken. You are either the most blindly loyal person imanginable or you are paid. Either way, you are frequently wrong and instead of moving on all you do is attack people based on perceived "alliances". As I said before, paranoid.

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Keating Five

10:03 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Newark? I have lived in Hoboken long enough to have voted for Tommy Vezzetti for mayor. How about you?

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pied piper

10:16 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

He's just having a hissy fit because his is group couldn't make it a month without the cuffs and now once again the feds are sniffing around.

With all her cash and advisors, the best Mason could come up with is a rumor that Zimmer is using city hall to campaign for her race 2 years from now?

Has to be frustrating.

hobokenhorse.com

10:16 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Show any fact that has been distorted you Hoboken411 ghostwriting clown. To say anyone can work smarter is trite and means nothing; everyone can work smarter.

I dare you to publicly say I have been paid. Man up under your name and stand by your false accusation.

The reason MSV continues to grow is because it gets facts and analysis right and unlike Hoboken411, it serves Hoboken, not any individual. They mayor is doing a ton of innovative, positive things. Everyone will not agree on policy of course but there's nothing but nonsense from the less than loyal opposition.

We shall see soon enough who is right again on corruption. That is what brought Mile Square View into existence and it happens to be a specialty.

As for Newark, the boys of summer are coming. They are coming for you and your "friends." You didn't give them much useful information did you? Think they don't know that?

Can't wait.

http://hobokenhorse.com

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Keating Five

10:24 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Again, the Feds are "sniffing around" City Hall. Roman, I don't ghostwrite for anyone. You on the other hand are most likely paid by Stan Grossbard to attack anyone he deems a threat to his wife's political dominance. Corruption? I never accused Zimmer of corruption. Just pure nastiness and incomitance.

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pied piper

10:41 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Your sticking with that whole sniffing around city hall thing, huh?
Has to be frustrating.

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hobokenhorse.com

11:12 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

In April at the City Council meeting he said the Federal Attorney's Office, the Attorney General and the Governor were "protecting/cozy with Zimmer."

That followed with the Hoboken411 screed the FBI were after Zimmer.

Then the attacks on the mayor's aides for emails and local Reform writers in retaliation for her citing Mike Russo's corruption. (Great idea that one. How's that working out?)

The the "rumors" on the Albany firm brought in to work on the system and the resulting deeds that came to light are not the issue but claimed "deletions."

Now it's "sniffing around" City Hall.

See where it's going. One step away from....
silence.

Keating Five

10:28 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Incompetance. Excuse the mis-spelling. Innovative policies that sell our trucks, lose our salt, don't remove snow, don't fix pot-holes, sell our public assets to corporations like Hertz for a song and paint bike lanes before fixing potholes deep enough to swallow a volkswagon do not guarantee re-election. Where were you when Dawn stepped down from the Council, abdicating her responsibility to the 4th ward merely to keep her reputation clean? How did we as a community benefit from the 3rd election down there in 2007? She was elected. She won. She did not need to answer Campos' charges unless there was a real reason to step down? What did she hide from us?

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pied piper

10:49 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Potholes that swallow a volkswagon? That's mighty large. She had better get on that, especially if she's riding around on a bike.

Hobbs

10:31 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Mason/Russo blogers have been trying to attack the Zimmer Administration for lack of experience from day one. They have failed repeatedly.

At every turn the Zimmer Administration has done the right things and come out on top stronger even against the combined political assaults of Russo/ Mason and all the others who don't want reform to succeed in Hoboken.

As we have seen Mrs. Mason much touted "professional" resume has been questioned and found to be at best wildly exaggerated and she refuses to address the discrepencies. Mr. Russo only experience is his families criminal record.

The paid political staff that Richard Mason has hired for his wife has been trying for years to spin the idea out their that the decent on the internet that they can no longer control (Hate411) is paid to do so in oder to blunt the criticism her actions and lack of ethics have elicted.

What those who spin for Mason/Russo have suceed in doing is reinforce the Mason/Russo brand unethical, sometimes criminal and always dirty self serving politics.

Anyone who thinks Mason/Russo want to "move on" and work with the Administration to make Hoboken better has only to look at the last election when Mason and Russo put out that same kind of political rhetoric in press releases and continued their filthy political attacks.

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hobokenhorse.com

10:46 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Yeah you never ever answer the question about ghostwriting for Hoboken411 in service to your employer Beth Mason. I am not paid by any politician in any shape or form. I have paid subscribers.

You want to challenge it. Man up with your real name. Lame!

You can attack the mayor all you wish, attack innovative successful programs such as Corner Cars. Much better for you to change from the uncomfortable subject.

You know it, I know it and soon all of Hoboken is going to know it. The Feds are not going to give you a pass. They are not going to accept your useless information and let you off the hook.

A week ago I set the over and under you joining your friend Petey boy at 50-50. But an old Hoboken person thinks your odds have fallen sharply, pegging it at 90-10.

Did you really think you could pull one over on the Feds? The prewritten screed of rumors, conspiracies and fabrications is not going to work with them. This is not the Ch. 78 anchor desk and your Hoboken411 audience you're dealing with here.

Certainly their body language told you that? Or were you not paying attention?

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Anthony

10:54 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Man, do people on here do anything else besides argue about Zimmer vs. Mason/Russo? There could be an article about World Peace being finally achieved and there would be an argument here over who was more responsible for it Zimmer or Mason/Russo. lol

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Redrider765

11:07 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Maybe if when good news like that contained in the article, if people who hated Zimmer didn't use it as an excuse to launch into an anti-Zimmer rant, then nobody would bother to knock them upside the head w/ a rebuttal. BTW, not talking about your posts in this thread. You asked an intelligent question, I answered it. Next time you want to know the status of Sinatra repairs, go look on the city website. I think the city engineers give us quarterly updates on the status of all projects.

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Keating Five

11:10 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

I do not ghostwrite anywhere - I do know however the difference between biased journalism (411), unbiased journalism (patch, reporter, journal) and paid public relations flackery (MSV). If horseblogguy does not understand the difference, perhaps he should go back to school.

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hobokenhorse.com

11:31 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

You are a hack. Gifted at weaving 7-8 lies in in a sentence but a hack just the same. Again, prove your false accusations in your own name. I triple dare you. That's right I'm calling you out. Lame!

You are a pathological liar, a paid minion and you are going down.
Did you know she already threw you under the bus?

Recess is over and justice is just about served.

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Redrider765

11:37 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

If it is Lame, completely agree. And based on the posts I've read by this particular author this week, not sure I'd care to bother spending time to try and figure it out. Lame isn't worth the effort and neither is Keating. Next topic!

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hobokenhorse.com

11:45 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

@Redrider765

The latest slip showing is elevating Hoboken411 to "biased journalism."
As if.

To your point, agreed.

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Redrider765

11:54 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011

A journalist follows newsworthy items. 411 stopped doing that about 3 years ago in favor of either mudslinging or ignoring the news completely. Personally I didn't mind his bias b/c it was easy to see through it especially when he wasn't censoring everyone. But when you combine his bias w/ censorship then add in ignoring the real world, well it went from being a biased news site to complete trash that even Rupert Murdoch would be ashamed of.

leafy

1:02 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Getting back to that snow in July comment....I believe that running a city, in some ways, is like running a very large household. You need to think about pruning the trees, cutting the grass, mending the sidewalks, shoveling snow, and then making sure there is enough cash to do all these things and others. You need to think about planning for a new playground in (fill in the blank year), you need to think about all this so that you are prepared for an emergency. I don't think there is a lot of evidence of contingency planning. For example, I'll be stunned if a playable field is actually ready by September, and I don't mean the last week of September. But I would like to see more direct evidence of infrastructural planning that puts Hoboken looking years ahead, beyond an election. Yes, there was a lot of snow, but a lot of snow fell in past years snow removal was much better under past administrations.

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Khoboken

2:53 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Was better? Come on folks. Am I the only one remembering the disaster that occurred in the 1990s when the city was closed for three effing days to all incoming traffic because the snow couldnt get removed? Anyone else remember the snow dumping in the river that cost the city a bunch of money in fines? Please - last year was an historic snow event. Get over it. While it may have been incrementally better, it was not the complete "disaster" that is now being claimed. People in Chicago, Syracuse or Boston laugh at the whining about snow that goes on here. Criticize, but dont try and re write history to prove a rather dubious point to begin

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Khoboken

2:53 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Was better? Come on folks. Am I the only one remembering the disaster that occurred in the 1990s when the city was closed for three effing days to all incoming traffic because the snow couldnt get removed? Anyone else remember the snow dumping in the river that cost the city a bunch of money in fines? Please - last year was an historic snow event. Get over it. While it may have been incrementally better, it was not the complete "disaster" that is now being claimed. People in Chicago, Syracuse or Boston laugh at the whining about snow that goes on here. Criticize, but dont try and re write history to prove a rather dubious point to begin

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Redrider765

3:28 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

No, it was not better. These people are confusing 6 inch snow falls w/ the 3rd or 4th largest storm ever to visit area and the snowiest 30 day period ever. None of these complainers ever bother to mention that some streets in this region didn't see a plow for a week, that the Turnpike & almost every major highway was shut down overnight and that almost every town & city asked everyone to stay off the roads til Tuesday b/c the roads were impassable everywhere. They even pretend that snow falling at a couple inches an hour or blowing around in 70mph winds is something you can clean up immediately even though in reality that is next to impossible. And all of them forget this happened the day after Christmas when thousands of residents were out of town and hundreds of unattended cars were left by their owners on city streets over the holidays. I agree, the whining about snow here is laughable. The only thing that is a bigger joke is how bad people here are at driving in the snow.

Passkey

4:31 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

"As I reflect on this storm, my Administration waited too long to begin the towing, and we ended up with emergency routes that were not cleared quickly enough and could not be navigated by our emergency vehicles."
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=140845415971990

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Redrider765

4:56 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

I don't disagree with her frank self assessment. She should have started towing early on Christmas Day instead of waiting til the next day to tow cars. Unlike the people you support, she acknowledges when she makes a mistake and takes corrective action. Next time, she won't be nice and give people a break b/c it is Christmas. Of course, then you will complain about that b/c that is all you ever do. That being said, the streets in town were in no worse shape than anywhere else and we cleared a hell of a lot sooner than most places. My street was plowed at 7 AM on Monday. The city did fine considering the unique nature of this storm.

BTW - great job in just picking one passage of a lengthy commentary on the snow storm. Great of you to ignore the idiots who abandoned their cars in the middle of the road or the fact that our towing contractor couldn't handle towing the cars in the snow or that a storm that was expected to drop several inches morphed into a blizzard that dumped over 2 feet w/ 70 mph winds. You honestly think if the roads are so bad people are abandoning cars in the middle of the road, that a plow can plow it or a tow truck tow any cars out of that mess? Nobody is dumb enough to fall for your ignorant trolling. Give Mason her money back. Your poor rhetoric and off topic commentary merit a refund!

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Passkey

5:39 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

From their own mouth and words men will be judged (Mt. 12:37; Lk. 19:22 cp. 2 Sam. 1:16; 1 Kings 20:40)

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Outofcontrol

5:53 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Gee, I lived here in the 90's and things were much better. I checked today and there were NO fines issued to the city for dumping snow into the river. Do you just make this stuff up? I also checked at the library and the city was only closed for a few hours before Weehawken complained and the roads were re-opened.
Perhaps you should take a walk to the library and check your facts instead of sitting on your ass making up stuff.

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Redrider765

6:18 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Funny - you didn't care when Russo was caught on tape saying he'd take a bribe. Hypocrite. Of course, I am used to that from you.

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Redrider765

6:26 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

OOC - I don't know about fines but a month after the storm the DEP issued a memo discussing snow removal policies. Read it. It is very clear it is illegal to dump snow w/o DEP approval.

http://www.state.nj.us/dep/dwq/pdf/snow_removal.pdf

Hopefully this ends the silly commentary from people claiming we could just dump it all in the river.

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Passkey

6:43 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

MUCH easier to make up facts than discuss the truth...

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Redrider765

7:15 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

That might explain why you make so much up then.

Journey

4:43 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

What excuse did the administration give in the 90's?

The way I was raised is if you make a mistake you own it. You admit it and you work to not do it again.

I've seen a lot of politicians here that do not own their mistakes, even if we can all see them.

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Redrider765

5:14 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Don't worry, I suspect the FBI will force a few people to admit their mistakes.

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Outofcontrol

6:36 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Again RedRider, you only report the things you feel like reporting. During the 90's the snow was piled along what is now Vezzetti way and NOT dumped in the river. The following year, the Governor signed an emergency declaration allowing waterfront communities to dump snow in the river. NYC does it all the time and the Governor recognized the need. She reacted to requests from the mayors.
Considering how far Zimmer has her head up Christie's butt, she should have asked for a waiver. But you leave out the fact that she didn't come back to town until Wednesday.
The info can be found in the library, but not online. Unfortunately, sometimes you have to get away from the keyboard to get the facts,

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Redrider765

7:16 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

NYC does not do it all the time. They use melting equipment and dump it in the sewers. Talk about making stuff up.

ThisMeansWar

8:22 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Hey Lane Bajardi aka Keating 5. Tell us again the feds are here for Zimmer & Stan. The Russo Civic Association is closed as of today. Let's pretend it's just a rent dispute. Moron. Game over. http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2011/07/breaking-russo-civic-association-closed.html

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Outofcontrol

10:33 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

RedRider, you were talking about dumping snow in the river in the 90's. NYC did not use snow melting trucks back then, they dumped the snow in the river, you moron.

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Hobbs

10:52 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

THE RUSSO CIVIC ASSOCIATION CLOSED !

I was thinking it is not unknown for some to try to transfer wealth in advance of possible litigation so the can avoid paying court ordered fines. :-)

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Keating Five

11:37 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

Why do you think i am Lane? I have lived here longer and do not write as well as he does. You guys love to "out" people while you hide behind facades. Give it up. Only 43% of the city supports your beloved leader, even after over two years of her term - never have we had a more divisive mayor. Do you really feel that everyone who disagrees with her or her policies is part of some major plot? How paranoid are you guys? Once the opposition unites, your done. Until then, keep consolidating power and villifying your opponents. It will only cost Dawn, her council people and Kids First votes.

Keating Five

11:40 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011

MSV follows Murdoch's template and has the gall to accuse anyone not "on message" as being somehow less than journalistic. Gimme a break. How much does Stan pay you Roman?

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Hobbs

7:36 am on Friday, July 8, 2011

Your sounding very lame if not Lane. :-)

p1ywood

12:23 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011

Keating Five, and others, while this snarkfest and peeing contest is riveting, let's get back on topic talk about 1600 Park getting completed instead of throwing in everything but the kitchen sink.
The children of Hoboken deserve to have this park open on September 15th. How do we get that done?

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Journey

12:51 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011

Outofcontrol,

NYDEP and NJDEP are not the same entities. Nor do the two states follow the same local laws.

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