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City Still Working on Plan to Control Hoboken St. Patrick's Day

Everyone agrees that out-of-control house parties are the biggest problem, but how to keep them in check?

 

Bar and restaurant owners as well as city officials are unsure what to expect on March 3, the day of the—now canceled—St. Patrick's Day Parade. 

The city council on Wednesday night tried to introduce a measure that would prevent establishments from serving alcohol before 11 a.m. on that day, but the resolution was tabled after about an hour of discussion. 

Currently, bars and restaurants—and other establishments that hold a liquor license—can start serving alcohol as early as 6 a.m. 

The resolution was an attempt to curtail out of control drinking and crime on March 3.

Still, the council agreed, the main problem on Hoboken's St. Patrick's Day—which now has been renamed LepreCon—are the house parties thrown by residents and the many out of towners who come to Hoboken. 

"What are we doing to curtail house parties? What is being done?" asked Third Ward Councilman Michael Russo. "Those are the things we really need to know."

In previous years, the entire police force has been on duty on Hoboken St. Patrick's Day

The idea to open bars at 11 a.m., said Public Safety Director John Tooke, "is a marginal small piece of a big puzzle." But, he added, "opening a little later might (help) a little bit. And I’ll take every little bit I can get."

"It’s not going to have a marginal impact on the businesses," said Councilman-at-Large David Mello, "I don’t think the bars add to the problem. I think, if anything, they minimize it."

Many council members said they felt uncomfortable telling bar and restaurant owners when to open their doors and start serving liquor. 

Eugene Flinn, who owns Amanda's Restaurant and Elysian Cafe, said bar and restaurant owners are happy to work with the city.

"We want to cooperate," he said on Wednesday night. He added that he requested a meeting with the mayor to discuss the issue. "We didn't need this resolution," Flinn said. 

Related Topics: Hoboken St. Patrick's Day and Leprecon

Hobbs

4:45 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Who is behind Lepre-Con ?

We have seen posts here saying that the people who contacted the press are not the real individuals.

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Redrider765

4:53 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

You remind me of that Roman general from the movie Spartacus asking all the captured prisoners who is Spartacus. In the movie, they all stepped forward and said "I am Spartacus". Well Hobbs, I am Spartacus and me and my friends as well as hundreds and perhaps thousands of others decided on this 1st Saturday in March, the tradition would continue. We didn't need some Lepre-Con FB invite or promotion to get us involved b/c we had already made the decision mentally to celebrate St. Patty's on that particular day.

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Hobbs

5:25 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

LOL Spartacus. ?

The question still remains....who is actually behind the green curtain and why are they hiding behind that curtain.

Redrider765

4:46 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Mello is a smart man. He gets it. The bars keep the drunks all in one place. Not only that but the fact that people have to wait for a bartender to pour a drink instead of the self service usually found at parties means people drink slower pace at a bar that is packed to the gills than at a house party full of amateurs. Worst mistake this town ever made was asking the bars to start opening late. We should actually encourage them to open early & have them put on more security and keep loads of cops down by the bars to keep the drunks in line and give them nice $2,000 tickets when they get out of line.

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PeoplePlease

8:09 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Why don't you just outlaw the sale of individual kegs during the week OR, when you purchase a keg, you have to provide your address.

That's what they use to do to us in Oneonta. We would have to leave our address. This way the cops knew where to raid.

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Matthew Messmer

11:41 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

I find your comment perplexing. Regarding the address-leaving point, is it even legal for authorities to gain access to the customer information from private businesses? Why would liquor stores want to betray their customers by handing over their addresses to law enforcement? Also, there must be hundreds of kegs purchased on this date, if not thousands. Are you suggesting that police officers construct some sort of massive keg-buyer database, ride around through hoboken listening for rowdy behavior coming from a particular building, sort through their records to see if a keg has been purchased from one of these apartments, and then send a team of officers in to break it up? This seems like an awful invasion of privacy to me, though I know your intentions are good.

I understand the frustration, especially from those with families, of dealing with such a high-octane party atmosphere, but aside from imposing some reasonable regulations, perhaps we have to accept that their is going to be a certain level of debauchery on this day. I know this sounds relatively cold and perhaps unhelpful, but regardless of what you do, those wishing to party are going to find a way to do so. If you outlaw kegs, they are going to buy thirty racks. If you delay the bar opening time, they are going to pre-game at home or in New York City. And most importantly, if people are of age and being reasonably respectful, they are allowed to party as much as they please.

Dpcunning

8:54 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Thought the parade was the main cause of all these issues? Why waist valuable time at a city council meeting? Crime rate is up shouldn't city council and public safety director focus on more important issues now that the parade is cancelled?

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FAP

9:38 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Dan from your subsidized perch in Church Towers it must all seem so simple. The parade's reputation was being poisoned by the out of control drink fest. The city made the effort to separate the two and gave the Parade Committee a year to put anything they wanted together.

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Dan I'm of Irish descent and the day is an embarrassment. The Parade Committee had a great opportunity to set themselves apart from the drinkfest but something, perhaps pride, wouldn't let them. Now the City is stepping in to give all residents a great sampling of Irish American heritage. They'll also be bringing the hammer down on the first Saturday of March.

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Hoboken1653

10:39 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

So sad for this Church Towers leach

xtreme

9:37 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

@Hobbs...honest question. Why are you interested in organized the event? Even you knew who the person was what would that do? I've heard that some want so stick this person with the bill or sue them for damages incurred. Is there precedent for that?

Ok that's more than one question. I'm not trying to be argumentative, just curious.

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Mid Towner

9:46 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

So I thought the Parade was the problem ? "Huh". I would agree that bar opening early is better then later. When the bars open late it is basically saying start drinking at home around at around 8am drink as much as you can till 10 then get in line for the 11am bar opening. Now remember you are going to be in line for 45 min so drink enough to stay drunk and maybe some alcohol in a coke or Dunkins coffee. When you get in bar around 1113am do shots since you haven't been really drinking for more then an hour.
Now if bar is open at 8am there is no rush to drink because you have all day. Plus then of being spread all though out neighborhoods more people will be located around the bars which are mostly on Washington and 1st street.

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HobokenOwl

10:25 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

@Lane Dastardly- Midtowner has a point. The fact that you can't see it means you're out of touch with what most of the people who participate in the drunken festival do.

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Lane Dastardly

10:35 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

owl...you're right. let's have them passsed out or incarcerrated before the sun goes down. it's safer and easier

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Redrider765

10:52 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

@Dastardly - if you open the bars early, it spreads the drinking out over more of the day and most of the amateurs are asleep or passed out somewhere well before dinner. That is a good thing.

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Lane Dastardly

4:57 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

yes redridder. i was trying to agree. open the barrs early for your reason

xtreme

9:57 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

@MT....I fully agree. I think the late opening may actually backfire. I understand the rationale put forth by the Safety Director, however the consequence will be that people will party in their houses earlier. In fact the irony of this whole thing is that a few years ago the city tried to control the bar scene by asking for a late opening. This gave rise to the house party scene which has been the cause of the worst problems in recent years.

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gettheledout44

10:44 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

dan cunning writes in to make a comment about the parade and that tool fap has to mention that the guy lives in church towers. it was a great!!! parade his family volunteered many many hours to put on over the years. so now everytime fap writes in let's not forget to mention that he lives in the Sadsackville, that creepy part of Losertown that's also home to Seigel, Brice and Gardner.

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Hoboken Answer

10:58 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Are you that constipated? Try another donut. That'll help.

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gettheledout44

12:48 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Donuts? I'm loving the arepas!!!!

xtreme

11:10 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Bar crawls are also easier to manage than the free for all that was the parade. With a crawl you keep all the people on a predetermined route with scheduled stops at each location. It will allow you to properly plan and deploy law enforcement to where the greatest concentration of people will be throughout the day.

I also don't buy the hype that the city I'd going to lay the smack down this year on revelers. How's that different from any other year? They've been heavy handed with enforcement in prior years but it's done little to stem the problem

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jbhawk4

12:34 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

The fact of the matter is, the comment about wasting time at city council meetings is directly on point. The Mayor still has a huge mess on her hands and took the family aspect out of the day. Now it is 100% completely a Mardi-Gras style party and the Mayor has nobody to blame but herself for not keeping her residents and visitors safe in the first place.

And honestly, who writes peoples names and where they reside on comments after an article on a website. That was done in poor taste and should be amended to take that away.

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Kingpin

3:31 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

I just want to point out to all those commenting that without the parade we are now a Mardi-Gras style party, that on the official Marti-Gras website
http://www.mardigrasneworleans.com/schedule.html
There are 60 official parades listed. So Hoboken no longer having a parade does not make it Mardi-Gras style. I think I know what you are trying to get out, but Mardi-Gras is all about parades, find a better analogy.

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jbhawk4

4:33 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Was not referencing a parade, was more along the lines of referencing a giant out of control party on the streets. Nice try though.

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jbhawk4

4:36 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

fact of the matter is, there is going to be a HUGE party the first weekend of March, cancelling the parade didnt stop anything. it is going to get ugly and any sort of family oriented activity or any sort of tradition is now gone with that parade being cancelled and that was the point I was trying to make.

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FAP

5:48 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

To put it another day, the fig leaf covering a day of mayhem has been removed. Now uniformed services can deal with it.

Kingpin

4:48 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

I agree with you but you are not the only one trying to use the analogy (in this tread yes). You are right, it is now just going to be a group of people who's only intention is to get as drunk as they can, but that was the mantra of the past few years and there still was a parade. Mardi Gras is actually very controlled for what it is. Very few fights on the street, not a lot of property damage and over the years I've been down there, I'm yet to witness any public urination, although I am not naive to believe it isn't' any urination, fights, issues down in the Quarter that week. But I digress and want to stay on topic. If you are sincere about the family oriented activities, I hope you will give the Irish Heritage Festival in Sinatra Park on the 14th a fair shake.

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