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Council Gaffe Brings Extra Hour Of Drinking To City Bars

The City Council meant to adjust the holiday schedule for later hours, but instead passed an ordinance that allows bars to stay open until 3 a.m. three nights a week.

 

The City Council accidentally passed an ordinance last month that allows Hoboken's bars to stay open until 3 a.m. three nights a week, rather than two.

The ordinance was passed in a unanimous vote in early May. It permits bars to remain open until 3 a.m. on Friday mornings, as well as Saturday and Sunday morning. 

The ordinance was meant to adjust the city's holiday calendar, which was outdated. Bars are allowed to stay open later on the eve of federal holidays. 

While the first part of the ordinance updates the holiday schedule, the second part of the ordinance states that establishments with liquor licenses "shall impose a closing time of 3 a.m. in the morning on Friday, Saturday and/or Sunday and 2 a.m. in the morning on all other nights."

According to city spokesman Juan Melli, that was not the city's intent.

"It's going to be corrected," Melli said. A new ordinance will be proposed, likely at the next city council meeting, he added. Melli said that ordinances are drafted by the city's legal department. 

If a new ordinance is introduced at the June 20 council meeting, the measure will need a second vote before it can be adopted. This means that bars can have an extra hour a week until at least the first week of July.

Councilman David Mello, who sponsored the new law together with Councilwoman Jennifer Giattino, explained that the ordinance was supposed to update an "incomplete list" of official holidays. 

Mello, in a phone interview on Thursday, said it was his understanding that the ordinance adjusted the holiday schedule, not the closing times. 

Giattino said the ordinance was meant to make sure that bars would be allowed to stay open late on holdiays. In the old version, some holidays were linked to specific dates and some holidays weren't included, she said.

Related Topics: Hoboken Bars

rtrux

8:29 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

a dumb but honest mistake that will be resolved asap, no biggie. good on the bar owners who will make a few extra bucks for a short while. and it was a unanimous council vote, so everyone is to blame for the oversight.

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Bob R

9:47 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Now about that Matt Calicchio trial...

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rtrux

9:59 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

do you mean the one where the judge said matt's testimony was "garbage" and where it was revealed that beth mason possibly violates IRS laws by funneling payment to political operatives through a non-profit "civic" organization?

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Hobbs

10:00 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

While Hoboken PATCH has not covered the story of Councilwoman Mason's political op, who alledegedly harassed an elected BOE official and her daughter.

The Hoboken Reporter had it on the front page last week and will do a follow up story this week.

It was also covered on Hoboken Grafix Avenger and Hudson Mile Square View.

Claire/Tom will you now cover the story ?

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Rory Chadwick

10:13 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

I think if you email claire about it rather than post publicly it might get done. As a writer, when you ask for stories publicly its seen as a personal attack and news sources hate that. Patch is a news source and provides news worthy content it feels is worthy to its readers, it doesn't like to post stories that favor one sect of people, the national inquirer does that.

Rory Chadwick

10:01 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Why fix it? People on Sunday never stay out past 12 anyway and even if they do, this will allow the few bars the even remain open to make a few extra dollars. With 80 something bars packed into such a small city, some bars need ever dollar they can get. With the recent opening of some of the new bars that are packed all day and night they're taking away from the mom and pops. While a few bar owners say they're doing good, far too many are scraping the bottom of the barrel to stay afloat and its the mom and pops that made the nightlife scene what it is today. Be business friendly, leave it alone. Revising it only shows were sticklers. They've already lost the parade, taking away an hour on a night that is routinely dead anyway shows a lack of courtesy.

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Redrider765

10:15 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Sunday night isn't the 3rd night. Friday morning, aka Thursday night, is the 3rd night.

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FAP

10:25 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

I think you fix it because it wasn't what was intended or debated. If the community is interested in having a third night with an extra evening hour the code can be changed after debate and community input.

xtreme

10:19 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

I agree with Rory. Why bother fixing it? Yes, it was an honest mistake but with very minimal impact to the city. I can't imagine many bars except for a handful that will actually take advantage of this change. Let them make a few extra bucks.

I'm sure MSV & GA will have plenty of coverage of the trial, no reason for Patch to throw their hat in the mix. I enjoy this site because they keep their political BS to a bare minimum (can't say the same for the comments). Please don't make this another 411.

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Redrider765

10:23 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Reporters calling out politicians on their misdeeds isn't political, it is a public service.

Hoboken1653

10:19 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Patch editors, while the story of bars being open 1 extra hour a week for 3 weeks is certainly interesting have you considered covering the trial of Beth Mason's staffer who was charged with harassing a BOE single Mom and her 5 year old daughter??? 5 year old daughter?? That sounds creepy. What were the circumstances that paid Beth Mason staffer Matt Callichio was allegedly harassing a 5 year old girl?

Beth mason possibly violates IRS laws by funneling payment to political operatives through a non-profit "civic" organization too??? Wow. That would be an interesting story to cover. Do you plan on doing so?

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hobokenhorse.com

10:28 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Seems like folks are more interested in the trial yesterday than a ordinance typo where Beth Mason's employees were slammed for lying on the stand.

Guess that plan to keep it under wraps and away from Mason isn't working out.

More on this breaking story in horseyland:

http://hobokenhorse.com

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xtreme

10:41 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

@RR, Then please use Rory's suggestion of emailing them directly with a request for the story. Putting it up publicly and attacking the author for not reporting something that you feel is important does not look too good to those not in the know. To us, it looks like a political fishing scheme.

I'm fine with MSV referencing his site but attacking this author is not right. I'm tired of every article not even remotely related to politics turning into a political pissing contest in the comments.

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rtrux

10:48 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

welcome to the internets. ;)

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Redrider765

10:50 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

I have never asked Patch to cover the story. I was pointing out to you there is nothing political about news organizations covering the activities of politicians or their paid political operatives. Though I must say I am not surprised and how much news organizations like Patch tend to ignore Mason's activities. She spends enough on advertising to encourage the advertiser supported media to not cover the most embarrassing of her antics.

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Rory Chadwick

11:49 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Red

Everything your mentioning is a matter of personal opinion, this is patch not politicker.

Hobbs

10:51 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

If Hoboken PATCH covered the Calicchio story from the start or starts covering it now more people would be in the know. :-)

BTW, Asking a blogger on their blog if they are going to cover a story is not by any stretch an attack.

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CuriousGal

10:54 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Concerning the Minutillo attack, I welcome the full transcript being made public if at all possible. Interested people will clearly see that the judge saw the political nature of the case in totality...on one side, the alleged harassing. On the other, Minutillo's exaggerated charges and related character assassinations of a young man (not much different than Minutillo's exaggerated charges against another political opponent a few years ago- It's been a standard operating procedure for her that has now backfired twice). Both times her child was made center stage in her legal-political drama.

In the end, the judge ruled that the defendant was NOT GUILTY. So called moral victory's are subjective and full of the usual spin, self promotion, and public relations. A person trained in law, trained to be objective, and experienced in Hudson County antics saw right through this and called it for what it was- political in nature. The result? Not guilty.

I agree with others who wish Minutillo was required to pay the lawyer bills for the defendant. There should be some sort of penalty for wrongfully accusing someone of criminal harassment and criminal abuse. At the very least, she should issue an apology to women who are REALLY criminally abused and harassed and not just who have thin political skin (paraphrased from the judge's statement).

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Rory Chadwick

11:05 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Why should she pay the defendants legal fees? Had the judge thrown this out then maybe that would be the case. The judge found there to be sufficient evidence to take the matter further and when all was said and done, a ruling of not guilty was given. Therefore you'll have trouble getting those funds back. The defendants lawyer was obviously not very good to get this thrown out too. Dead in the water idea.

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Hobbs

11:17 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Interesting fact that when Lane Bajardi (Mrs. Mason's self declared "friend") went to court after his incident at a BOE meeting he was defended by Elise Nardo. Matt Callichio Mrs. Mason's employee was also defended in his BOE related case by Elise Nardo.

I can only assume Elise Nardo's service did not come cheap. :-)

Thinks that make you go hmmmm. :-)

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ThisMeansWar

1:09 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Curious Kim - you are LYING as ALWAYS.

The judge tore Calicchio and fellow phony witness Garcia a new one. Called Matt a fool and dishonest. Further stated that board members should NOT have to deal with this kind of "incivility" and "bullying".

Yes the transcript will come out. You'll need a whole box of twinkies for that one.

Start coming up with some new LIES in the meantime.

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hobokenhorse.com

1:52 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

You can agree with your husband CuriousGal as you wish but as I've said one Beth Mason political operative supporting his colleague Matt Calicchio who is another paid Beth Mason political operative shouldn't be given much credence.

The judge did not have sufficient evidence to convict as the sole witness appeared on behalf of Matt Calicchio. From the judge's remarks, he concludes not only did Matt Callichiio commit perjury but so did his witness.

It's also a matter of public record, an undeniable fact that the witness Tania Garcia is another confirmed paid employee of Beth Mason. The judge described both Calicchio and Garcia as "political people" paid to do so.

The judge's comments are very important and your straining to color them in a way they don't faintly have any accurate context.

It's appalling you would attack a woman who is an elected official after the judge called Matt Calicchio "a fool who is being used" by Beth Mason.

What's your excuse? Have you and/or others in your family ever been paid by Beth Mason or this shadowy Beth Mason Civic Association?

Lots of CuriousFolks want to know.

Rory Chadwick

11:01 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

Patch is a community news source and posts stories that everyone wants to read, the Matt and Theresa saga, while unfortunate, is all opinionated. Machines with political motivations such as blogs write about it because it showcases the wrongdoings of other politicians, and thats opinion, not news. Patch is balanced, and its good that way, unbiased. No one else is like that except Hmag. Keep it balanced keeps all readers here. Once you go political you lose readers, loss of readers is loss of revenue. So I highly doubt patch will write about it. And let the bars be open an extra hour, not a big deal, were Hoboken and we love business, were not sticklers.

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xtreme

11:07 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

@RR, Point taken. I was speaking more in generalities to everyone on the blog. Meant no harm. I think MSV and GA do a very good job of not letting those folks (autocorrect thought I wrote "fools" and I was tempted to leave it) go unnoticed and pointing out their misdeeds. They do well in that area of investigative journalism. If I go to their sites I know what I'm in for which is fine.

@rtrux - Yea, I know how it is. Can't say I like it but I guess trying ask for change is futile. Lol, oh well. Maybe I'll just go have a drink at 2:30 this weekend :)

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rtrux

11:49 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

i'll meet you at 2:45 am for a nightcap!

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Redrider765

11:46 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

No harm at all. But let me leave you with this thought, how much better off would we all be if Mason and her money stopped poisoning the political atmosphere in this town? No more minions, no more ghost writers, no more 411, no stalking of parents at schools, no more stalking people at their homes or on city streets, no more push polls, no more attack ads even when there it isn't election season & far less money for buying votes when there are elections. I would even bet that both GA & MSV's sites would be far less hard hitting and far more focused on puff pieces.

Rory Chadwick

11:49 am on Friday, June 8, 2012

interesting that friendly fire isn't out here yelling at everyone else for going off topic, i guess it must be personal....

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Tom Troncone

12:20 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

This is not the ideal spot to address it, but I'll violate my own off-topic rule since a lot of you are talking about it.

Claire is based on Hoboken. She spends her entire day reporting in Hoboken, meeting people in Hoboken, and has to feed her site stories out of Hoboken every day. We run into this occasionally where a town story is being played out outside the borders of the city, such as the court case you are all referring to.

We run into it a lot with trials in the county courthouse, a lot of stuff like that, where it is impossible for Claire to spend an entire day out of Hoboken. In those cases we try to linkout to another news outlet or aggregate the stories from several news outlets.

You'll see a linkout to the Hudson Reporter article on the court case on our homepage. But I wanted to address why you often won't see staff coverage of these types of stories.

Hope that helps a bit for those of you who like the "inside baseball" detail. We try to be as open and transparent as possible in everything we do. Thanks!

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Redrider765

12:31 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

She doesn't need to actually go waste an entire day at court. Reading the transcript should be more than enough to give her an idea what happened in the courtroom. I am sure if Claire wants that, she can get a copy. And tell her it would be real nice if she could post it online for everyone else to read too!

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rtrux

12:51 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

two things, tom:

- in addition to getting and reviewing the court transcript to see what happened, claire can also call the parties involved -- matt, minutillo, beth mason -- and get their perspective and feedback. call it a "second-day" follow up to news that the town is obviously talking about and very interested in.

-- it's more than just the judgment in this court case. the trial opened a can of worms about whether beth mason violated IRS rules by funneling payment to her political operatives through the back door of a non-profit "civic league". might that be a good story, you think?

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professorpinetop

1:13 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Tom - very few of Claire's stories involve events she has personally witnessed. While I agree that it is unfair to criticize Claire for not having written a story yet, it appears from your comment that Patch has made the editorial choice not to cover the story itself at all. If that is the case, given the high profile nature of all the parties involved, the decision is pretty indefensible. Linking to the hoboken reporter just doesn't cut it.

As you well know, editorial bias does not come only in the form of biased content in the body of stories. It also comes in the headlines used to introduce the stories and in the choices made about which stories to cover.

When Mike Russo was exposed in the Jersey Sting as having a greed to accept a bribe, Claire's headline was something like "Hoboken Councilman responds to mention in new book." This was not a defensible journalistic choice.

Likewise, failing to cover this story, while covering a legislative mistake of little consequence, is not a defensible journalistic choice.

Like any media outlet, you are entitled to have your biases. But don't be surprised when those biases are publicly identified. And quite frankly, lame excuses like Claire just doesn't have the time to leave hoboken make you appear either disconnected from reality or dishonest.

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professorpinetop

1:13 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

That Patch hasn't covered the story yet is fine and excusable. That Patch has no intention of covering the story is not and there is no plausible explanation other than that an extraordinarily newsworthy story does not fit in with Claire's editorial biases. its a shame because Hoboken is desperately in need of an objective online news source and Patch is best positioned to be that.

Note that I am not suggesting that the story should be written from any particular angle - only that it should be researched and written objectively. Wait for the transcript to become available. Give all the parties, including Mrs. Mason, a chance to comment. Then write a story based on the facts.

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ThisMeansWar

1:13 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

If she asks Beth for comment on the behavior of her employee and whether Beth believes that an elected representative should employ people who conduct themselves the way Calicchio has on A NUMBER of OCCASIONS - she will have a leg-up on the HobokenReporter. They didn't bother to ask the employer about the employee.

Hobbs

12:24 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

FYI - Hoboken PATCH just posted a link to the Matt Calicchio harassement trial on the Hoboken Reporter web site. :-)

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Rory Chadwick

1:03 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

I think dictating what people should and should not write about is something that should not be done out here, its done too much and it puts people win a tough spot. You're all putting Claire in a very uncomfortable position. Tom is right and wrong in what Claire needs to do however what you all want her to do is take "your side" and publish an article that is favoring 1 political sect. Im positive she would never do that. The more you push her with what she should do because you think she should is more reason for her to not take your ideas in the future. You're all pushing it down her throat and thats not fair. I know you all want this out there to make certain people look bad, maybe win some new voters, whatever it is but the way you're all doing it is disrespectful. Is there a story, yeah but is it meant for everyone to write about, noooo.

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rtrux

1:29 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

actually, the request is for patch to review the transcript, interview the parties involved and write a story. no one is "asking" patch to take a side and favor any one side. i'm confident that beth mason's on-the record denial will, as always, be both entertaining and informative ("until i see proof, i'm gonna say i haven't seen those emails.")

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Redrider765

1:39 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Claire puts Claire in an uncomfortable position when she spends time on this complete non-story that nobody cares about on a ordinance the city is going to fix anyway but fails to report on things that people actually care about and pay attention to. Claire should be reporting about what people want to read about and based on how far off topic this thread of comments, my guess is the people reading this article and commenting here and elsewhere probably wished she had covered that court case. IMO, She misallocated her time and energy and should keep that in mind the next time she has to pick & choose where to focus her energies. But it is her choice if she wants to focus on what people care about or take the safe route and just cover non-stories that won't offend anyone b/c most people will just read the headline and move on to the next story..

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Rory Chadwick

1:56 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

for the last month there have been about 100 references to why patch isn't covering this. Now asking them to reference it is another way of asking them to take action. It's similar to a previous request. While I am all for the truth and as a writer knowing the "people have a right to know", the way its being called for hasn't been the right way. When you say something like "How come you're not doing this" you're inadvertently making Patch look bad. Demands are being made and they're not being met. I think its a lost cause and in the future , email Patch with your requests and included factors as to why it should be made in to news.

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Rory Chadwick

2:07 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Red

I'm not defending Claire. Patch is a community news site. Its purpose is to provide news to its readers that the readers will find enjoyable and interesting. Patch has since inception been a newsworthy site that provides stories about local politics, shopping, dining, sports, local happenings. Every story I see is a story that has been generated by Patch and not by the readers. Red, you and the others may think this is news, and in a way it is but if I was an editor, as juicy as it is, its not proper for a site like this. I feel bad for the victim in this case, I know her well and I assume she was hurt by this. I had a similar situation too. But its all he said she said and involves certain political sects. There was no verdict and a judge had a few choice words about testimony. His words are his thoughts and have no legal standing. The charges were dropped and the case is over. What is there to write about? Its here say at best and here say is not journalism. Had a verdict of guilty been rendered then there would be a means for the story. If I worked for Patch, on this type of case I would wait for a verdict. It's a not guilty case right now, if wrote it would be worded to show the defendant prevailing and wouldn't have much juice in it.

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Tom Troncone

2:10 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

We write for the entirety of Hoboken, not the very small (but extremely vocal) number of people who live and breathe hometown politics.

There is way more to this city than what happens in government. And before anyone trashes my Hoboken creds, know that my grandmother was born here in 1917, my grandfather came here from Italy in 1932. They lived here for decades, and my grandfather owned a bar called "Two Steps Up" on the corner of Second and Adams. My girlfriend and I lived in an apartment on Monroe and Observer for 5 years before buying a house in Bergen County.

I miss Favia and deliveries from Hoboken Cottage. I can't believe Frankie and Johnnie's is gone. I love that they now American craft beer on tap at Pilsener House. I miss summers on the pier, and hearing music pouring out of Maxwells.

That's Hoboken to me.

The people who I ran into every day in Hoboken talked about property values, crime, noise, restaurants, parking, festivals, parks and overall quality of life. City politics, to most people, is not front-of-mind.

At the end of the day, this was a civil complaint. I agree with you that there could be some interesting tidbits in the transcripts, and that's why we are going to get them.

But not because an anonymous Internet poster says we should. Politics is, and will remain, a small part of the larger whole.

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Redrider765

2:13 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Seems to me as if it isn't at all a lost cause. Clearly Tom pays attention to the comments and seems to me as if he might at least think about looking into covering stories like this that people care about. And he doesn't live in town so he probably is far less worried abut bruising egos and stepping on a few toes when reporting on facts that some people probably don't want brought out publicly b/c they might be embarrassing.

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rtrux

2:17 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

"The people who I ran into every day in Hoboken talked about property values, crime, noise, restaurants, parking, festivals, parks and overall quality of life. City politics, to most people, is not front-of-mind."

tom, i'd say "crime" and "city politics" oftentimes overlap in this town. ;)

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Hoboken1653

2:21 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

A known Hoboken politico allegedly harassing a 5 year old girl and her single Mom because she is on the oppostite side of the fence politically seems like a big deal to me. Considering this same person has a history of harassing political enemies and of stealing campaign signs of opponents from store windows, saying it was a "city ordinance" you might want to rethink this.

A reporter giving a fair and unbiased summary of this case and history would seem like a story worth covering.

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Rory Chadwick

2:30 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

@Tom T

Did your grandparents ever find parking back in the 30's??

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Tom Troncone

2:41 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

@Rory -- I never asked about that. I do know that my grandfather owned a horse and a fruit and vegetable cart, which he kept in a stable in Hoboken. He got through the Depression by taking the horse on the ferry across the river every day and selling fruits and vegetables on the street in Lower Manhattan. Between that and working in his cousin's pizzeria, he saved enough money to buy an 8 family building on the corner of Second and Adams with a bar he ran on the ground floor.

The entire extended family lived in the 8 apartments above, and they would get together and have dinner every night, all of them. My grandmother forced him to sell the bar and the apartment building in the 1950s because she didn't like all of the hookers and wiseguys who came in every night. He sold the whole building for -- gasp! -- $5000 in like 1955 and bought a house in Paterson.

My grandmother was born on Monroe Street and grew up with Sinatra. She used to tell me the stories about when he was a kid, and would play piano in the basement of the building and all the neighborhood kids would look in the window and laugh at him. Then he got in with some wiseguys, she said, who paid girls to go to Radio City Music Hall and scream for him. The papers picked up on the craze over this kid from Hoboken that the girls were screaming for and the rest is history.

Lots of great old stories from those days.

Rory Chadwick

1:18 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

And by doing this routinely every day, making demands, you're losing trust with the readers who may or may not be on your respective sides. The constant "write this write that gimme gimme routine" while understandable as you want the truth out there could be interpreted as questionable to the general public and sway them in a different direction. What I've seen out here is this. Many zimmer admirers say something and thats it and other admirers routinely make fun, call people names, degrade and so forth. The other "old guard" they speak in a more reasonable manner, addressing people professionally and sometimes they poke fun too but its the zimmer admirers that do most of the political bashing. If I was a basic reader, i wouldn't trust half the things the admirers say based simply on how the messages are relayed. Something to think about.

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Rory Chadwick

1:22 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

And if the comments out here keep getting demanding and attacking Claire and other writers you can bet your bottom dollar that Patch will just do away with comment sin general and make it a "read only" site or make certain stories "read only". Then as commenters you'll have no voice and its all over, not something many of you want, you all love to battle out here.

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Steve Sternberg

2:11 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Tom-

I think a lot of folks might be missing the point here. This is not just a story with Hoboken residents taking place outside of Hoboken. It involves a central Hoboken figure (Mason) who has run for Mayor and is now on the City Council (with possible aspirations for a broader New Jersey political slot), who may be hiring thugs to intimidate her political opposition, and is potentially illegally paying them. From a journalistic standpoint (regardless of your biases), any news entity with Hoboken in its name is simply dropping the ball by not covering the story. I do not know what the "real" facts are here. Perheps Mason and Calicchio are blameless. Isn't it your job to inform the public? Otherwise this site becomes nothing but a forum for conflicting opinions. That in itself is fine, but it's not what you claim it to be.

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CuriousGal

3:30 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Steve Sternberg/Tom- it can also be a story about an elected political figure with city hall backing who uses alleged harassment charges against her political opponents ...always with babe in arms (this is at least the second time it has happened-last time it was thrown out of court). This time, an objective judge knowing the politics of this situation saw it for what it was from BOTH sides (read: including Minutillo's trumped up charges) and correctly decided the defendant was NOT GUILTY of criminal harassment and abuse. To say nothing of the harm Minutillo does to every woman who is ACTUALLY abused and harassed.

But an objective decision by a judge is not enough for the partisan bullies who continue to drag the defendant's name around and continue the charade of trying to use the legal system for political intimidation.

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Napoleon Complex

3:52 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

"To say nothing of the harm Minutillo does to every woman who is ACTUALLY abused and harassed." This coming from the hubby and wife team who advise Beth Mason, and write her statements, to compare herself to Gabby Giffords, or a Holocaust victim. You really take the cake Kimmie. And we know your hubby takes the Pizza too when he is upset. Remember that meeting? The little general stormed out but demanded his fair share of the Pizza first. What a pair you 2 are

I challenge anyone to sit within 15 feet Callichio at a city council or BOE meeting and determine for yourself whether he is a thug or not. It will take you 10 minutes to arrive at a conclusion

professorpinetop

2:41 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Tom - you are right that you should not cover this story because anonymous bloggers want you to. You should not cover this story because a political faction wants you to.

You should cover this story because its news and its your job to cover it.

Your statement that it was a civil complaint is factually incorrect. It was a type of criminal charge called a"disorderly persons offense" and Patch has a history of covering these extensively when it has chosen to do so.

As Steve points out, reports elsewhere seem to say that a judge castigated Mr. Calliccio for engaging in highly inappropriate, if not ultimately criminal behavior on behalf of his employer, a major Hoboken political figure.

That you would assert this, if true, is not newsworthy because it appeals only to a small group of overly obsessed political junkies is simply astounding. Please get the transcript, assess it objectively, and write an honest story complete with an honest headline.

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xtreme

3:52 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Just don't go all "low carb" on us Patch and readers will continue to come.

I for one would like to see more restaurant and bar reviews.

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Steve Sternberg

4:05 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Hi CuriousGal-

I agree with you that if what you say is true it should be included in the story. That's my whole point. You are offering your perception and opinion of events, while others I've read here are taking the opposite stance. I don't know if your view or theirs are politically motivated or ethically motivated, but it doesn't matter in the blogosphere - it does for objective journalism. Hoboken Patch can look at both sides and (I would hope) write an objective story. I, for one, would like to see Mason, Calicchio, Minutillo, et.al, as well as all the witnesses be interviewed by Patch and ask the tough questions to both sides.

Is not being guilty of criminal harrassment equivalent to not harrassing? Are some people too thin-skinned? If someone feels threatened does that mean there is actually a threat? If the judge calls someone a liar is that just an opinion? There seems to be a heckuva lot that can go into a good story here.

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CuriousGal

4:53 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Steve Sternberg- fair enough. I agree with you very much.

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professorpinetop

6:42 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Steve I agree except that much of the work has been done more reliably than the press could do it. The actual parties to the incident have testified under oath. Their testimony together with the judge's comments are the story. The only interviews that need be conducted are with non-witnesses or for the purpose of clarifying questions raised by the testimony or not covered by the testimony. This is not a he said/she said story starting from scratch.

I do agree that both Mr. Calliccios and Ms. Minutilo's histories are fair game and should be explored. With all due respect to curiousgal, I don't think a focus on those histories would give much credence to curiousgal's imaginative theory.

If that's really a discussion you'd like to have let's bring it on. Patch would be doing a huge service to the community if it chose to explore the entirety of Ms. Minutilo and Mr. Callicchios histories in our community so that readers could evaluate for themselves the credibility of the parties.

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Tom Troncone

8:36 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Do you actually think people would go on record with any of this stuff? We'd need credible -- credible -- sources either with direct knowledge or hard evidence to be able to print anything. One of the most difficult positions to be in as a journalist is a flashpoint between opposing sides, especially in a city like Hoboken, and even more-so when there are two people who offer disparate narratives of the event. Sure, you can -- to quote one of our now-erstwhile editors, Myles Ma of Paramus -- use contextual clues, but printing something requires more than that. It has to.

Look, in all seriousness, if some of you want to lose the aliases and blog for us about the "politics" side of politics, we'd be open to the idea. We're going to continue to focus on taxes, development, the business community, public safety, open space and the school system. And, yeah, the occasional "whoops, bars are going to be open an extra hour because of some ambiguous language in an ordinance" talker. My question is, "did anyone read read it first, or just vote?"

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Rory Chadwick

9:30 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Tom

I would like to blog about local business in town. If there is any interest please let me know. Lots of great places to eat drink and shop in town and they should have a voice.

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professorpinetop

11:03 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

There is a record Tom. its called a trial transcript and the Judge's decision. You have sworn testimony and a Judge's ruling. Read it and write the story (or have Claire do it). Give people like Mason who may be implicated by the testimony but did not testify themselves a chance to comment. Its not rocket science - its journalism and journalists do it every day. I haven't read the transcript and don't know what the testimony really was. Neither do most of your readers. We rely on the press to bring us this information but all I'm reading from you sadly are cop out excuses.

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Tom Troncone

11:48 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Right, professor, transcripts that I said we were going to get twice in this thread.

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Redrider765

7:54 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012

Completely understandable that getting people to say things on the record can be tough in this town especially when so much of the juicy stuff you want to report on involves unethical behavior and potential criminal behavior that those in the know don't want anyone to uncover. But that is also why court proceedings and other public events are fertile grounds for a reporter to attend. Everything that gets said in front of the camera, the court reporter or at a public venue in front of witnesses IMO is fair game for a reporter to report on.

BTW, thanks for the comments and for agreeing to look at those transcripts.

cassandra

6:35 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Stick to your guns Tom. Ignore all these political hacks on both sides! They don't care about Hoboken. All they care about is blowing their horn and boosting their political friends. As you say, a small but vocal minority. Stick to the real news.

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rtrux

7:16 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

actually, tom seems to be calling out phony partisans like you.

Alan

8:04 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Wow, RTux, you just can't let it go, can you? The headline of this piece is 'council gaffe brings...' and that was enough to get a bunch of hacks yelling at claire over what was a legitimate news story that apparently they wanted covered up. Why do we need anonymous bloggers who, perhaps on behalf of Hoboken City Hall, beat up a reporter for covering a legit news story (like this one) and try to intimidate her about it? Sends a message that reporters in this town who write legit stories involving anything negative about City Hall will get personally attacked. If Tom wasn't here to answer on Claire's behalf and save her from a back and forth then these nasty comments would have continued unabated. I think someone should write a story about ALL of the harassment going on. And before I hear from RTUX again, no I do not condone Calicchio or think this is equivalent but the beating that these people tried to give Claire is intimidation of a different kind and is meant to send a message not to dare write anything critical about town hall. Would we expect to see this story on the blogs? WILL we? You bet it'd never see the light of day. Talk about coverups.

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rtrux

9:25 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

hey einstein, why don't you check the VERY FIRST COMMENT on this story? :)

Steve Sternberg

8:21 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Hi Alan-

Not all bloggers here are anonymous. And I don't think Claire is or should be intimidated by anyone who blogs here. That would really be thin-skinned. Hoboken Patch has a right to write about whatever they want, and anyone has the right to complain if they don't think an important story is being covered. That's why makes our country so great. Look at what happens to dissenting voices in Syria.

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Alan

9:10 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

Stephen, your comments here have been reasonable and legit, but many have not made reasonable comments. And this story was a legitimate story. If people are concerned about coverage they should call or email the editor/reporter who can then have a conversation with them and can explain why a story isn't being covered or maybe tell them taht it will be covered soon, rather than being draggfed into an ugly back and forth. Calling them out on a completely different story and pretending this story shouldn't have been covered is wrong.

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Alan

9:12 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

As for Syria, I don't think we should all feel better about ourselves because we aren't killing babies. If that's the standard in Hoboken, things have sunk pretty low. What spurred you to comment on this topic? It was the anonymous voices hijacking a story that was about city hall and making the comments about something else.

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Vince

7:14 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012

Just a note to all those who keep talking about how Patch should just get the transcript. In NJ, court transcripts currently cost $3.97 per page and with the amount of on the record talking that happens at even what sounds like a short hearing like this, that can amount to a lot. It also sometimes takes a week or two for them to create the transcript once the request is put in. Patch has to decide if it is worth the investment for a case like this. I just want to make sure that this is clear to people who think you can just make an OPRA request and have the transcripts appear instantaneously and at minimal cost.

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Redrider765

7:55 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012

I knew it might take a few weeks to get the transcripts but that price tag is outrageous! I hope everyone pools their resources to buy just 1 copy and share it.

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rtrux

8:27 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012

true, but for a newspaper or other journalistic enterprise, isn't that just the cost of doing business?

rtrux

11:51 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012

kudos to stephen lamarca for his balanced, objective reporting on this story in today's print edition of the reporter (i don't think that article is posted online, so out of town operatives like finboy and outofcontrol will meet to hop in the car and drive into town to get a copy).

this longer article clearly states the judge's belief that matt and tania were lying on the stand under oath, and that he believed theresa's side of the story. according to the article, the judge apparently let matt off the hook because the magnitude of his harassment didn't quite reach the level of criminal behavior. but the judge clearly said matt did in fact harass her and her child.

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Bob R

1:38 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012

It's funny how for news venues that doggedly report important stories, the layers of the onion keep peeling away to reveal even more stories behind the story, as evidenced below. Sorry, Tom, but while yes, Patch caters to an audience that goes beyond government and politics, you have simply dropped the ball on high-impact reporting too many times and it's fairly obvious to anyone paying attention that for whatever reason, the Mason and Russo faction of Hoboken politics get the kid-glove treatment. You couldn't run your own story on the Calicchio trial because it was in Union City? Seriously? Something tells me if Zimmer or any of her allies got arrested for anything, even a traffic violation, it'd be a different story.

Looking at the two stories pasted below, I'd be pretty embarrassed if I were you. It's like, "Hey Woodward, I got the Nixon tapes!"
"Not now, Bernstein, haven't you heard the huge news? Someone made a clerical error and it's going to need to be corrected, and some bars might stay open an hour later for a few weekends as a result! Stop the presses!"

http://www.hobokenhorse.com/2012/06/tax-exempt-beth-and-ricky-mason-civic.html

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/06/bombshell-mason-finboy-non-profit-sham.html

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