Latest judgement is that abstention does not mean no.

http://www.politickernj.com/61639/breaking-newark-decision-reverses-speight-seating-newark-city-council

Perhaps the judiciary in their constitutional authority to interpret the law can work to close up obvious loopholes that can be exploited when councilpeople fail to take their oaths to serve their constituencies. Of course, judges in Wisconsin were able to issue warrants for their runaway lawmakers last year, so there must be some strange precedent in reality.

You know very little of the law. Wisconsin law expressly allows the state legislature to compel the attendance of members and Wisconsin State Troopers were empowered to escort absent legislators found in Wisconsin to the State House. Wisconsin State Troopers however have no authority over state lines which is why they did not go out of state looking for the missing members.

BTW, if you are going to complain about wasted tax money, how about the money we are paying city council people who fail to show up and do their jobs? How about the money we are wasting on this whole mess b/c they refuse to show up and vote yes, no or just abstain like an adult? Where are your complaints on all this waste created by the minority and their silly political games?

Madison: since you seem to be a constitutional law expert, perhaps you can explain why you feel a local election issue raises constitutional questions?

Perhaps you should ask Mrs. Mason's fancy New York lawyer whether he plans to raise any constitutional arguments or feels that the Wisconsin incident has anything to do with a case pending before a Hudson County judge.

I've heard that Mrs. Mason is spending $1,500 per hour for her team of high priced lawyers, including $350 per hour to Steve Kleinman to hold the NY bigshot's coat. Perhaps given your obvious expertise she should have you hold the guy's coat instead of Kleinman.

MadisonMonroe it was Judge Peter Bariso who suggested the course of action should have been to have the Courts ORDER recalcitrant councilpeople Mason and Russo to participate in the vote to select a new councilperson.
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MadisonMonroe are you suggesting that Judge Bariso doesn't understand the law and shouldn't have communicated this course of action in open court?

Why do you lie so much - is it like air that you need to breathe? You actually have no idea what anyone said to Carol Marsh; and no, she does not have any "handlers". You project your own rotten existence as a paid for operative and handler of Betty Boopless that you think evey one of the reform members has a "handler". Pathetic.

And once again Hobbs gives us the Zimmer administration motto: two wrongs DO make a right.

So you're acknowledging that what Mason/Russo did was "a wrong" to use your words. Would you further acknowledge that it's even more wrong to be playing these parliamentary games against a backdrop of Hurricane Sandy?

You remember Mason's midnight resolution to become council president? Do you know why it went throught without fuss? Because the then-minority accepted the truism that elections have consequences - even the unbelievably dirty election of Tim "575 paid workers for 1240 votes" Occhipinti.

You are the tireless, tiresome defender of scumbags. So be it. At least you have for once, accidentally, admitted what they are.

As usual MadisonMonroe gives the typical 12th Street Clubehouse personal attack.

Just pointing out that the phoney ethics of Castellano/Russo are based on what is politically expedient in advancing their own family's interest.

"With a room full of Stevens Students, council meeting regulars and city directors waiting, Council Vice President Peter Cunningham and Councilwoman Carol Marsh left City Hall around 7 p.m. on Wednesday night, the exact moment the bi-monthly meeting was supposed to start, cancelling the meeting for lack of quorum. " -Hoboken Patch/Claire Moses

"Cunningham ran out in the direction of the ground floor bathroom, while Marsh took the elevator from the second floor of the building, her folder of paperwork still on the table in the council chambers where she had placed it minutes before. " - Hoboken Patch

Here, read all about it: http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/meeting-canceled-at-last-minute-after-councilmembers-leave-city-hall

Selective quoting by curious. What a surprise. You left this part out.

"They did not want to vote on a last-minute resolution—proposed by their political opponents Tim Occhipinti and Theresa Castellano—that called for a referendum for the people of Hoboken to decide whether or not to move school board elections, which are usually held in April, to the general election in November."

But alas, the public has decided.
1) all the elections will now be in November.
2) the Kids First ticket you hate so much has triumphed.

You lose. Twice. You may resume your pointless and clearly meaningful-only-to-you snit now and for the rest of your life. It's sooooooooo over.

You shouldn't be calling Mason crazy b/c she might sue you.

Frank you appear to be having some serious reading comprehension issues. Fortunately for you the Kids First ticket won which bodes well for our schools to continue to improve. Perhaps you should consider enrolling in Hoboken High School for a remedial reading class or two to address your reading disability.

Pardon Frank, he thinks he lives in a town governed by Wisconsin state law and the Wisconsin State Constitution.

Bingo! Very different situations.

Interesting--- the Dawn endorsed Kids First School Board and the Dawn appointed HHA are both infamous for the introduction of "live agenda items" (like trying to appoint a superintendent) as a last minute item at a meeting not listed on the slated agenda but we here no protest from the peanut gallery. Must be challenging to bloggers like Lucius Junius Brutus, Jay Rattigan, and of course the Faux Freeholder for having to defend this practice for some PATCH stories and attacking it on others....

As this is my second post, you lie when you say I support lice agenda items, for I do not not.

Now on a scale of zero to ten on following the spirit and letter of the law…

No one in office would get a zero for completely following both spirit and letter. Russo and company are closer to a 10 and Zimmerman and company are closer to 5.

What do the say about politics and the lesser of two evils? There is no one that scores a zero.

Live not lice...

I'm more than happy to blog about anyone that violates the spirit and letter of the law. I will blog about anyone that wants to pervert the democratic ideals of our republic.

If you have info you can't risk posting in your own name, let me help. I'm behind a proxy. Gliph me at gli.ph my gliph is pencil skull-n-crossbones pencil skull-n-crossbones. I'll not have you real digital I'd if you do. All anonymous all the time.

If you "have no idea what Judge Bariso said or didn't say in court" then you have no idea what your talking about since I don't believe Judge Bariso issued a written opinion. It sounds like FAP was there so although he's surely not a neutral observer he has the benefit of actually knowing what he's talking about something you have admitted you do not.

Perhaps you should ask Mr. Kleinman. I'm sure he could take some time off from holding the New York guy's coat to let you know whether FAP's account is correct.

The outcome will determine my credibility. I'm happy to have it be so.

So MadisonMonroe any comments on Judge Bariso ordering Mason, Russo, Castellano, and Occipinti to participate in a vote to replace Councilwoman Marsh?

--11:04AM Dec-18-2012

So MadisonMonroe the Old Guard complied with the Judge's order they participate in the vote. Any comments yet?

Yes the Judge is going to order Mason, Russo, Castellano, and Occipinti to participate in a vote to appoint a replacement councilperson, as prescribed in the municipal vacancy law. State law didn't envision councilpeople acting in bad faith and purposefully absenting themselves from the meeting so as to create legislative deadlock and now the courts are stepping in to ensure no councilperson can act in bad faith.
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How any councilperson votes during the appointment is entirely up to them. All the courts are going to do is order Mason, Russo, Castellano, and Occipinti to do the job the swore and oath to do and participate in the vote.
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Hi Madison. Can you please provide a link to Judge Bariso's written opinion. Or even a quote from it? If you're going to post in your usual patronizing tone you really might want to make sure you're not once again making an idiot of yourself.

If and when Councilman Doyle is sworn in again pursuant to Judge Bariso's order I'm sure you will be claiming that the Judge was not only wrong but somehow corruptly influenced by nefarious forces and this could never happen in a state like Wisconsin.

I'm not a lawyer and have no idea whether FAP is correctly relating what the Judge said at the hearing since I wasn't present and haven't seen it reported but your own posts betray your ignorance. I have no idea how Judge Bariso will rule but I do know that you have no clue what your talking about.

You likely don't understand this but FAP and I are laughing at you.

The judge wants them to show up for work. If they continue to play bookie from their jobs I think their constituents have grounds for a recall.

Seems that petulant minorities everywhere in NJ have found a loophole and are exploiting it to the best of their abilities. Given the letter of the law allows the spirit of the law to be grossly violated, it probably makes sense for the state legislature to close this up as soon as possible. Otherwise, every time someone steps down from a 5-4 council anywhere in NJ, this silly and obscene play will be run. I'm sure the good people of this state don't love this kind of politrickery.

As far as the announcement, if noone knew this was going to happen given this no warnings "old guard" tactic, how were Mason and Russo able to coordinate, get Scott Delea to the meeting as a "possible candidate" to obfuscate their true intentions, and fully understand and execute this loophole plan? You said earlier that they had 30 days to fill the position, how could they possibly advertise it for 30 days?

Most decisions of NJ Superior Cour judges are not written nor published, but merely read into the record from the bench. Keep talking, you prove your lack of formal education with every post. You also seem to know way too much about a certain legal proceeding not to be actually involved as a named party. Care to denty that you one of the named parties? Be careful, a motion can always be made in Virginia to get your true identity. How did that one work out for you?

I think Mrs. Richard Mason has traveled way too far down the low road to ever be ashamed of her actions no matter how shameful they may be anymore.

The stench wafting over the political cesspool the Masons have dug for themselves is growing ever stronger.

Faux- so when the judge rules against your side, the judge is wrong and supporting the argument of the "bad guys"-- your righteousness is ridiculous. As for who should be ashamed-- Nancy Pincus is the one who had to right a note of apology for a Jewish organization last year and it was nancy Pincus who posted on the Internet about wanting to assassinate an elected official. I know, all in good fun when it's your people, yes?
You sit in judgment of people-- who is evil, who is bad, who should apologize-- you don't care if they are judges or people making death threats-- your side is always right.
The council accepted Marsh's resignation the same day it voted in a replacement, rather than going through the process of advertising the opening for 30 days. You down with that Faux?

Making death threats? What a fat lying loser.

I guess you haven't gotten over losing yet another election or the elections moving to November by the will of the people. You're through. But you'll go to your grave blaming the likes of Nancy Pincus for your utter failure.

Just based on how much you hate her, I can only guess how much you'd wind up having to hate yourself if you could ever bring yourself to really examine your own role in the failure of every cause and candidate you have supported. But I can see why that is impossible. Psychological survival demands that you blame someone else once the damage becomes this great. That is, maybe hating Pincus is what keeps you alive.

A councilwoman with a long record of service went through a terrible family tragedy and finally overcome with the impact on her family decided she couldn't make it through her term and resigned.

Which prompted attacks on her by the bitter (few and paid) Masonistas who gnashed their teeth here after giving up on their Hoboken411 internet strategy in yet another massive fail for their countess.

In Newark a similar case is heading in the same direction. There a councilman actually went on the record and said he was boycotting the meeting but of course give credit at least the guy was honest and not completely shameful like Beth Mason and Mike Russo.

Mason has no political strategy in Hoboken at all. She has only vindicative lawsuit after lawsuit against everyone who has gotten in her way as she was entitled to more power and higher office. After all she has seven figures in political bills and all she has to show for it is a lowly council ward seat.

Mason's lengthy list of political operatives and their tortured lists of distortions, fabrications and outright ugly attacks on anyone and everyone has led them to a rather costly and humiliating election defeat again.

From what MSV heard, Beth Mason spent $60,000 of her husband's allowance money and all she got for it was a Nazi Truck flashing swastikas around Hoboken with a production directly traced to her.

The rabbis are awaiting Mason's apology and her Nazi truck is beneath contempt.

ThisMeansWar, political irrelevance is a bitter pill for some.

Shunning is the only answer. Shun away! The bleating will stop eventually.

BTW, have you read about some incredible linguistic similarities between documented public remarks by a political operative and those identical talking points down to repeating nouns, verbs and adjectives on the midnight flyers (September 24, 2012) and The Nazi Truck (October 16, 17 2012)? What a coincidence!

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/12/step-up-hector-torres.html

and...

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/12/rubens-future-and-concidences.html

No one said anything about Carol Marsh or the reasons or rationale's for her resignation-- the comment was about Dawn and the council majority who decided to appoint someone to the council the VERY DAY that Marsh resigned-- thereby not going through either the process of advertising the opening for 30 days.

I'm confused, if they had 30 days to fill the position, how could they advertise it for 30 days following her stepping down? It certainly seems that Beth Mason was suitably aware of the fact that this was going to occur to decide to not attend the meeting to enable her to sue over the appointment later. It certainly seems that Scott Delea was suitably aware to show up as a decoy.
If I am missing something on the 30 days, please help me understand how you can advertise a position for 30 days when there is a 30 day limit to fill it.

Reread the comments Gal, MadisonMonroe has made statements about Mrs. Marsh.

Clearly the resignation was known by Dawn and the council majority before Ms. Marsh resigned as the majority had their person ready to be nominated the SAME night as the OFFICIAL resignation. So, the 30 days to advertise could have started around the time that Doyle was first approached-- thereby easily satisfying BOTH the 30 days to advertise and 30 days to fill the position.

Everyone knew that at that meeting she would resign. It was in the papers over a week in advance of the October meeting that she intended to step down at that October meeting. That is why your boss skipped that CC meeting b/c she wanted to gum things up like she always does and put her own political interests ahead of the interests of the community.

Stop grasping at straws. Your desperation is pathetic. And your constant defense of the deplorable actions of the minority and their self-serving agendas is just disgusting. Give society a break from your sniveling, sniping, backstabbing & toxic demeanor at least through the holidays.

Carol announced her resignation in the meeting prior to the meeting where she resigned, no? So they knew 14 days in advance.

OK, CG, let's have it your way. Do you believe that if there was 30 days notice, both Beth Mason and Mike Russo would have done their jobs and attended the meeting, or would they have still pulled the no-show trick. If they were to still no-show than the lack of 30 days notice is really inconsequential isn't it, you are just throw stones and see if something hits.

Don't you love how when Gal is caught in a lie she rolls right along like nothing has happened.

Don't you love when the old guard mouth pieces are losing an argument they accuses all of us of being a small number of people posting under multiple accounts.

Journey, not just that, the most appropriate way to do that is just to make a new disposable screen name.

puzzledone, first you claimed to be confused and I attempted to clear up your confusion. Now you are asking me to predict the future or what would have happened if 30 days notice was given or if there was a legitimate process to replace Ms. Marsh's seat? How about Dawn and the council majority just trying to be who they pretend to be? Just try governing in an open and honest manner? And, stop criticizing the council minority for not attending a meeting when, less than a year ago, council people Marsh and Cunningham slithered out of a council meeting because the council minority wanted to introduce a live agenda item? Live agenda item by the way, a fairly new legislative go around that Dawn's Kids First Board majority as well as Dawn's HHA have introduced into their governance practices.

I was confused. I then asked a follow up, if 30 days notice was given, would the minority still pull this charade? Apparently you seem tos ay they would, so in that case, the 30 days notice is meaningless to your point. If they said they didn't want to vote because there wasn't 30 days notice, at least you would have something to lean on, but just like with the hosptial when they "saved the city $5 million", you are just trying to justify their actions with the results that had no bearing on their intentions.

Clearly the Curiouslymasonmouthpiece is just trying to cover up the fact that the only goal of the minority was to prevent a 9th person from being named to the CC at all costs. Every time she comes up with these excuses for the minority and their actions, she gets lamer and lamer.

CuriousGal said, "No one said anything about Carol Marsh or the reasons or rationale's for her resignation..."

Which was a lie because MadisonMonroe said a lot about Mrs. Marsh's resignation, including many consiracy accusations.

When this lie is pointed out, CuriousGal ignores it.

Open minder readers, judge the value of anything CuriousGirl has to say by her own statements, proven false right here.

Agreed, the woman can't even win in her own ward w/o spending a bloody fortune on street money, advertising and a half dozen lackeys to tell her how awesome she is b/c nobody else will give her the time of day. If she can't win a race on the cheap in her own neighborhood and in her own town, how does she expect to win anywhere else?

Why not move beyond questioning? I assume that's the point of your screen name after all.

Why did the Reporter refeuse to publish a critical letter of Betty Boopless this week?

Not everyone who works at the HR thinks that the heavy hand editorial hand/slant in favor of the OG is good for circulation and revenue and some who work there think the paper has slipped into a grey area of irrelevancy. Ask those who have left.

NOPE, but Mrs. Mason's political ops in her 12th and Washington Street club house are desperate to try to discredit any media outlet that they can not control.

Mrs. Mason's choice of questionable empolyee's and associates has made many people who have known her question her ever dropping ethical standards..

Having a different opinion about whether elections should or should not be moved to November does not mean one had lied. Presenting the facts about the dismal oversight Kids First has had on public education in Hoboken is not the same as lying. Appointing someone to replace a council seat the SAME NIGHT a resignation is given thus bypassing any vetting process or putting up the seat for a public vote is not a lie but rather a difference of opinion on governance.

In a similar fashion, graphically presenting public political figures in a bowl of feces , using pro-Nazi imagery in political ads and being forced to apologized to anti-defammation organizations, and being visited by the police for threats of violence against elected officials are also statements of fact. Statements of fact about Dawn backed ally and political appointee Nancy Pincus and are neither a lie nor innuendo.

Bowl of feces: http://cdn.hoboken411.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Zimmer-appointed-Zoning-board-member-Nancy-Pincus-aka-Grafix-Avenger-creates-images-of-excrement.jpg

Apology: 1) http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ssf/2010/11/hoboken_blogger_apologizes_for.html
2) http://hoboken411.com/archives/53855

Death Threat: http://hudsonreporter.com/pages/full_story/push?article--Blogger+questioned+by+Hoboken+police-%20&id=15394287&instance=home_Most_popular

Your side had 2 weeks to vet people. You don't want to vet people at all. You want nobody to fill that spot so stop pretending this is about vetting people. If this was about vetting people, Mason would have already said so and agreed to hold a vote well past that 30 days you claim she needed and nobody would he having to file suit to force her and the rest of the minority to just show up and vote. Their own actions prove the minority has no interest in filling that 9th seat.

And let us not forget that if Mason, Russo & company needed about 30 days to make their minds up, that second vote Russo missed on 10/19 would have been a meeting the minority was fully prepared to vote at b/c it was nearly 30 days after Marsh announced she was going to step down. As of 10/19, you guys had known for 28 days a replacement needed to be voted on and you had 2 weeks after that first vote on Doyle to think on whether to vote yay or nay. What did you guys do? Have one of the 4 minority members skip the vote yet again and file a law suit.

No curiousgal, you LIED. Over and over and over. In fact you told the identical LIE using both your curiousgal and prosbus IDs:

Curiousgal: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2441917

Prosbus: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2443563

Actually 467 out of 538 districts with budget elections have switched to November elections. Lies, lies, lies. Then you will say that it was true when you said it. That seems to satisfy some need you have, as if all 467 districts decided on the last day. They fact is all this change came in less than 6 weeks and happened as quickly as districts were able to assemble after the holiday.

But by all means, continue LYING about it. That seems to be how you get though life.

To the objective and open minded readers of PATCH....If ThisMeansWar asked me what the temperature was outside in July and I said 87F (and by objective measurement indeed let's say it was 87F) she would take that information and then post in December that I am lying about the current temperature and that its currently 35F not 87F. "Curiousgal is lying!"---

Same thing happened earlier this year when there was discussion on PATCH about 1) changing elections from spring to fall and 2) what % of districts voted on budgets. When the 65% number was posted, it was true. In the days and weeks to follow, districts around the state indeed adopted or changed their policies on these issues and the percentage went down.

The 65% number was no less correct than the 87F temperature in July. As the weeks passed, the temperature got cooler. As the weeks passed, more districts adopted either/both moving the elections and not allowing the public to vote on the budget as Dawn's Kids First Board insisted in a very contentious Board meeting (http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index.ssf/2012/02/hoboken_board_of_education_in.html).

The fact that people want to represent the 87F in December as "lying" or the dynamic nature and change in the percent of districts moving elections as "lying" is more indicative of how Dawn's bully bloggers operate than anything remotely having to do with accurately portraying what actually happened.

The objective and open-minded readers of Patch will note that curiousgal doesn't even bother to deny that she used both the curiousgal and prosbus IDs to post the same LIE over and over and over.

The objective and open-minded readers of Patch will further note the paradox of the curiousgal style. She is appealing only to you, dear O & O-M reader. She knows that the rest of us know she is a LIAR and propagandist. Why do you think she uses 2 IDs to make identical posts? To create the illusion of shared opinion. Propaganda.

As to the paradox, O & O-M reader, she treats you as a person of value ... and holds you in utter contempt. The move of elections to November spread like a prairie fire to 87% approval in only 6 weeks. It did not start slowly and end fast. It moved swiftly from start to finish. But curious hopes you will buy a fairy tale that it was a largely ignored option at the point when she performed her "analysis" and posted it literally dozens of times with multiple IDs. Nothing works that way. But she hopes that the person she values so much - that would be YOU O & O-M reader, is stupid enough to believe otherwise.

Curious further believes that if she speaks politely and avoids foul language that makes up for being a conniving, lying propagandist and gives her the moral high ground.

At the end of the day curious is intelligent, but not very bright. It's quite safe to ignore her. And her other IDs.

Curiousgal would also like you Objective and Open-Minded readers of Patch to believe that while Al Arezzo was an epic jerk and the very symbol of old school political abuse of office for personal gain - he was a fine fellow on the days she wrote about him. See, it's all a timing issue. His suspension was upheld and doubled in length. But only for actions he took on days when curiousgal/prosbus wasn't singing his praises........

Speaking of timing, O & O-M readers, nearly 25k votes were cast in the BOE election this November. More than twice as many as voted in the last April BOE election. Curious and the goons she works for were desperate to prevent the influence of democracy on our elections, hoping for the smallest possible turnout which in turn yields the highest possible influence for bought votes.

But alas, they lost. In fact 87% of those state-wide who didn't want BOE elections moved to November lost. But curious wants you to believe that it wasn't happening while she was LYING about it.

She's a chronic liar after all. But it gives her something to do. Since it's Christmastime, perhaps the O & O-M folks could pretend they believe a word of what she's saying. It would make her feel special. It's like pretending you believe in Santa to make a child happy.

She wont get anything from the County boys unless she writes a blank check. And I mean blank, no "not to exceed" language. Heard her referred to as bats___t crazy at a recent JC fundrasier.

You mean the "do not exceed" language like the one that said a law firm cannot exceed $30,000 for working on something like the hospital deal and then went and racked up $500,000+ in legal fees but never had any time to update the Council on the fact that they exceeded "do not exceed" limits by hundreds of thousands of dollars? That kind of "do not exceed" language?

To the objective and open minded readers of PATCH, there is no protest against Mr. Doyle. There was and continues to be protest about the process on how the initial appointment of Mr. Doyle occurred. That protest was supported in a court of law. Specifically, by Hudson County Assignment Judge Peter Bariso's recent decision rescinding the procedures employed by Dawn and the council majority based on poor legal advice given to them by Corporation Counsel.

Yes, as I understand it, the legal issue stems from the fact that a majority appointment can be blocked in a 4-4 dispute by simply having someone not show up for work. That was the only point that I understand was litigated in front of Judge Bariso. My understanding is that no complaint about a 30 day period was lodged in the legal dispute, or in council chambers, and this has not been argued. Thank you for speaking to the objective and open minded readers this way. I'm sure they appreciate having the voice of someone who has never said anything bad about Beth Mason, continues to advocate for more givebacks to the minority in order to get things done, and berates the Mayor and Majority at every option in order to assist in their objective reading.

Oh please Masongal, you will protest when a judge orders Mason & company to show up and actually vote. Face it, your problem is you support the minority and they want to run things but they don't have the votes because the voters of this city just don't trust people like them.

Curiousgal. I find your response disingenuous. You say you're merely concerned about making sure the process (in this case regarding "how the initial appointment of Mr. Doyle occured"). But what about the violations of the rules regarding donations to Move Forward (to name just one)? Are you equally up in arms about infractions committed by Mason, Russo, Castellano and Occhipinti?

Mason & company only follow the rules they want to follow and only care about the rules when it is politically convenient for them. The rest of the time they complain about the rules or just ignore them completely.

So PlanetDan is upset with me because in a response of mine about the city council and the illegal appointment of Mr. Doyle to a vacant seat- I stayed focused and on point and didn't address issues related to the Board of Education campaign? Funny--

Curiousgal. I understand that you're referring to Doyle's appointment, in your comments at the moment, and I wouldn't expect you to discuss those other issues here. So, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume I wasn't being clear. What I meant was: EVER. Have you EVER found fault with the Mason et al? Would you not agree that some of their behavior was, at the least, "unhelpful" for Hoboken, and at worst, possibly illegal? Or do you honestly believe they always act with Hoboken's needs in mind? Honestly. I've read your comments before, and you defend rule breaking when it suits Mason's crowd. So yes, I still consider you to be, as I said before, "disingenuous."

I think Addeo got Russo's seat. I think Mike won from Addeo in an election.

If memory serves correctly:
2nd ward was del (2x)then mason (2x)
5th ward was cricco(2x) then Cunningham (2x)
6th ward was giacchi (2-3x) then giattino (1x)
1st ward theresa has been cc woman for 12 years.

the rest is common knowledge.

Admittedly, I'm not very familiar with the Essex County case demosthenes mentions concerning the Newark City Council members. I have been concentrating mostly on Hudson County Assignment Judge Peter Bariso's recent decision rescinding the procedures employed by Dawn and the council majority based on the questionable legal advice given to them by Corporation Counsel for appointing Mr. Doyle to an vacant council seat.

I somehow doubt a failed journalist who spends their free time alternating between watching Jerry Springer and shilling online has any ability to understand the intricacies of the law or a judge's decision.

Grafix Avenger has gone from a bowl of feces to a pile of vomit. I guess that's showing some degree of maturity.

Bowl of feces: http://cdn.hoboken411.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Zimmer-appointed-Zoning-board-member-Nancy-Pincus-aka-Grafix-Avenger-creates-images-of-excrement.jpg

"For your own sake. Just pretend she's a pile of vomit. Thank you." Grafix Avenger
7:09 pm on Thursday, December 6, 2012

Grafix post approved at 7:09.
CuriousGal reply approved at 8:02.

The last few posts that I've made have sat in limbo for 10 to 18 hours. I'm wondering how CuriousGal's posts rarely take that long to get posted.

For the record, this is being posted at 9:30 pm on December 6. Let's see when it shows up.

Listen GA, Mason has no idea what free people thinks. She pays people and tells them what she wants to hear. That is why she has been on the losing end of so many elections. Sheeze, the only elections she does well in is where tens of thousands in get out the vote money is passed out and that is a matter of public record courtesy of the campaign filings.

They will also see CuriousGal avoiding the truth and ignoring when when some catches in a simple lie.

Like this one from above.

CuriousGal
12:30 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

No one said anything about Carol Marsh or the reasons or rationale's for her resignation-- the comment was about Dawn and the council majority who decided to appoint someone to the council the VERY DAY that Marsh resigned-- thereby not going through either the process of advertising the opening for 30 days.

"The reality is that Ms. Marsh was told by her handlers to submit her resignation after Sept. 1 to avoid having her at-large seat go up for election earlier this month. The only reason the taxpayers will be on the hook for a costly special election is because the "majority" gambled and lost. We could all have voted on her successor, but instead her friends wanted to appoint a crony. Please explain how that is the open and honest transparency that the Zimmer administration promised?" Posted by MadisonMonroe at 2:58 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012

If she will lie about that, what else will she lie about. If she will avoid the truth about that what else will she avoid.

my postes were submitted at approximately 11:08 AM on 12/10/2012.

For the record demosthenes, I am not the only person in the world that takes some offense to a bowl of feces, a pile of vomit, the use of Nazi imagery or "fooling around" about wanting to assassinate elected city officials.

Among others, Rabbi Robert Scheinberg of the United Synagogue of Hoboken, the National Jewish Democratic Council, members of the Hoboken City Council and other members of the community have also found such actions and imagery offensive. Interestingly, Dawn is not on record for finding these actions offensive despite being asked a number of times about her feelings on the topic publicly.

It seems like that learning disability is really causing you problems so despite being a bit repetitive, I'll explain again. By continuing to reference the matter and link to it you are promoting it, something that no one who was truly offended by it would do.

The public understands this, that's why the Nazi truck was such an epic fail. Hoboken's political class understands this, that's why the people who authored and implemented the idea have become pariahs even among the OG.

Perhaps because of your disability, you appear to be unable to learn what everyone else seems to now understand. Perhaps after a few more posts the learning process will begin. I understand that teaching you will require patience on my part but I will do what I can to help you slowly learn.

Exactly, khoboken.

Shunning the she-beast is the only option for those that wish to protect themselves and their family. Now, it is plain to see her promotion of the 3 talking points used on the Nazi Truck (while studiously avoiding the 'headliner') and her effort to gin up righteous indignation over being compared to a pile of vomit.

She's right, that's an insult to piles of vomit everywhere.

Now, demosthenes (whom GA adores) has made an excellent point. The She-Beast may claim to be offended, but relish her provocation here. Her aim is to get anonymous bloggers angry enough to somehow reveal who they are, then sic the dogs on you when she THINKS she knows who you are.

So, check out some coincidences between the public oration of a known Beth Mason political operative, the Nazi Truck video, the midnight flyer AND the 'feces-apology-death threat' talking points posted on this thread by that she-who-should-be-shunned.

Let her bleat into the abyss and she will fade away like the irrelevant nothing she is.

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/12/rubens-future-and-concidences.html

Hector won't step up. He isn't man enough.

I don't see it that way, Graf. It's not about engaging CG -- attempting to "win" the argument is a fool's journey. Clearly, she's not exactly going to change her mind based on rational debate -- for some reason, she's got a vested interest in her position that words can't change. Rather, it's about educating the other readers of this comment section. Showing her for who she is and what she stands for is illuminating. And this town could do with a dose of that best disinfectant, sunshine.

Frankly, I don't have anything to hide from her.

No need for anyone to worry about protecting themselves from me or by me trying to find out who anyone is and I have never and will never hurt anyone's family members. Never has been a goal of mine and never will be. One need only take a look at the type of things that Nancy posts on her blog to see who is the vindictive and angry person engaged in this dialogue.

My "lines of attacks" are simply stating the types of things that Nancy has done in the past and have been vetted and posted by independent media outlets. It is Nancy's own actions, words, graphics, and political attacks and innuendo's that are "attacking" her. Not me. She wants you to "shun" me because while she loves to attack, she is not so comfortable on the defensive. After all, claiming to be a champion of First Amendment rights taxes even her most adamant supporters when she uses bowl of feces, piles of vomit, Nazi propaganda imagery, and "parodies" of death threat letters to elected public officials.

Back to the original story-- I wish Mr. Doyle all the best if in fact his appointment goes forward and look forward to hopefully more and better communication between the city council in working to help Hoboken through this challenging period.

Hi Curious. I'm sure Mr. Doyle is highly gratified that you wish him well. Does your post mean that you have now learned that New jersey Judges both can and will order City Council members to attend meetings and do their jobs and that Wisconsin law applied in Wisconsin but New Jersey law is what applies in New Jersey ? Congratulations on having learned a new fact!! I'm sure the process was exhilarating!! Just curious - did you know we had an election this past november or is this one of those years in which you thought we don't have November elections? I was thinking that maybe the reason everything you support lost was because you and others who share your learning disability didn't know we had a November election this year and so didn't know to vote. Perhaps Ms Markevitch will include that argument in her election challenge.

Off-year elections refer to general elections in the United States that are held in odd-numbered years. These elections feature rarely any election to a federal office, few state legislative elections, and very few gubernatorial elections. Instead, the vast majority of these off-year elections are held at the municipal level.

She-who-should-be-shunned got that right out of Wikipedia. Stealing without attribution is yet another sign of her moral decay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-year_election

Off-year election
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is part of the series:
Politics and government of
the United States

Off-year elections[1][2] refer to general elections in the United States that are held in odd-numbered years. These elections feature rarely any election to a federal office, few state legislative elections, and very few gubernatorial elections. Instead, the vast majority of these off-year elections are held at the municipal level.

In addition to being plagiarized, the off year election comment is also a non-sequitor. When Curiousgirl wrote that we don't have an November election every year she was explicitly referring to the cost of additional elections. It had nothing to do with presidential years and "off years" or turnout. She said we would not save money by moving the election to november because we don't have a november election every year. The off year stuff was a belated attempt to try to spin the comment into something less imbecilic than what she in fact both wrote and meant. The great thing for her is that since she can't retain the things she learns, she can experience the exhilaration of learning the same fact over and over.

Wikipedia is written collaboratively by many anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay. Users can contribute anonymously, under a pseudonym, or, if they choose to, with their real identity. The passage is certainly taken from wikipedia (among other places) and could easily be attributed by doing a simple Google search.

Not to miss the forest for the trees-- the point of the passage was to point out the high variation in November elections and that while "Election Day" occurs every year...there are some times where there are few or sometimes even no elections at federal, state, county, and/or city levels depending on "off year" status.

We all know how wiki works. We also all know how plagiarism works. The fact that wiki articles are written collaboratively doesn't excuse your act of plagiarism. Only a hopelessly corrupt person would think otherwise. You just wanted to sound smart. That's why you did it. It had nothing to do with the way wiki articles are written. Based on this performance I doubt you even recognize the truth about yourself anymore. All you had to say was yes I got it from wiki, I should have given attribution. But you aren't even honest enough for that.

CG has a will to deceive.

I engage CG purely as entertainment like watching cartoons. I agree it has no actual value but it certainly fun. CG clearly takes herself and her blogging very seriously, a trap we all need to avoid falling into. It's entertainment folks. The CGs of the world get their political support by giving out $40 checks to voters. On line all they do is make us laugh and laughter is good.

I do not mean to offend, but ThisMeansWar is correct when she states that some posts not speaking directly her, "They aren't really talking to us." I have found productive dialogue is not really possible so its more important to state my points as clearly as possible, document when possible or appropriate, and try to articulate a counter narrative to some of the more partisan posts, especially for the many objective, thoughtful readers of PATCH.

By now, most readers know they will never see me use feces, piles of vomit, or making "fake" assassination threats to elected officials. Peace.

If documenting is so important why didn't you document the text you stole word for word from wikipedia?

I believe I said, "document when possible or appropriate" and I stand by that statement.

Well times have changed. White trash never used to be quite so haughty as you. And I stand by that statement.

Nancy seems to be fairly ill informed and petchulant in her referencing of the 10 Commandments here on PATCH. Perhaps Nancy should take a look at Matthew 22:36-40 where the Sadducees are being addressed:
“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Love God and love your neighbor. Got that Nancy? Likely, that includes NOT using Nazi propaganda against your neighbor. Likely, that includes NOT creating pictures of your neighbors in a bowl of feces. Likely, that does NOT include threats of assassination attempts on your neighbors who are elected city officials. We'll leave your "pile of vomit" statement out of the discussion as that was directed at me but many will think its on the "NOT" list as well.

Documentation:
Nazi Propaganda: 1) http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ssf/2010/11/hoboken_blogger_apologizes_for.html

Bowl of feces: http://cdn.hoboken411.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Zimmer-appointed-Zoning-board-member-Nancy-Pincus-aka-Grafix-Avenger-creates-images-of-excrement.jpg

Death Threat: http://hudsonreporter.com/pages/full_story/push?article--Blogger+questioned+by+Hoboken+police-%20&id=15394287&instance=home_Most_popular

Why would a Jew read the New Testiment?

Geez, what a lame post. Besides being so far off topic, it tries to revitalize that old moral equivalency trick frequently employed by those that are shunned whereby, once they find themselves caught red handed in some outright lie with their proverbial pants down around their ankles and bent over for the inevitable reaming that is coming their way, scour the earth trying to find a moral equivalency in anything, regardless of how inane or intellectually dishonest the claim they spew so proudly as the next Great Idea. The fact that the shunned just don't get it, is funny in and of itself. Funnier still is the notion that anyone takes the shunned seriously at this point.

A fallacious argument. You stole text from wiki to pass yourself off as the author. No one seriously thinks grafix was trying to pass herself off as the photographer of the hs football game. But you are too steeped in corruption to understand that or figure out that other people do. So it's not surprising that you suppose the bible is just another weapon in your dirty little war. You're just haughty white trash, no more no less.

Nancy- Notice, the picture was also posted on PATCH but someone took the time to make sure they gave proper attribution (i.e. did not steal the picture for their own use).

Take a look: http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-redwings-take-state-championship#photo-12501753

"The Hoboken Redwings captured their ninth State Championship title at MetLife Stadium Friday night. Credit Courtesy of the City of Hoboken"

Is that she-who-steals-from-Wikipedia?

PATCH may do as it wishes, but Hoboken has labeled the photo 'Public' meaning it is in the public domain and does not require attribution.

Nor have I represented the photo as my own, unlike a certain intellectual lightweight who copy-pastes from Wikipedia and pretends she is the source, trying to impress others that she knows more than she does. Tsk Tsk.

Have you read GA today? Nothing plagiarized, so I suppose you won't be able to relate. Maybe this will ring a bell?

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/12/kids-first-sweep-confirmed-crickets.html

"(2 operatives' names redacted) deliberately had no phone communication with Beth Mason for almost a year... they'd been planning this for a long time even to the point of not having contact with Beth."

Grafix Avenger- Get your excuses straight, first you blamed it on Facebook and now you are saying it didn't need attribution even if PATCH felt it was appropriate to give attribution to the picture. I'm sure your other "friends" will agree with you but the more objective readers will see your back peddling and rationalizations.

"The Hoboken Redwings captured their ninth State Championship title at MetLife Stadium Friday night. Credit Courtesy of the City of Hoboken"

She-who-plagiarizes-from-Wikipedia, who cares about a photo certified 'public'? More deflection from the fact you steal and post Wiki content pretending those are your words.

Now that we have established you are an academic lightweight who relies on Wikipedia to impress PATCH readers and the public is now aware you a thief who lifts content word-for-word from Wiki while deleting footnote annotations, would you like to comment on this:

"(2 operatives' names redacted) deliberately had no phone communication with Beth Mason for almost a year... they'd been planning this for a long time even to the point of not having contact with Beth."

Very interesting, no? Wait until you hear the rest.

Sick, isn't it?

Sweetie, there is a picture of you in the dictionary under the word "sick"--- you've redefined the word, especially for public officials. Why you and your antics have not made national news is beyond my comprehension. "Fake" assassination threats to elected officials, use of Nazi propaganda, references to "piles of vomit", and portraying political opponents in bowls of feces has redefined the term "sick" as far as I'm concerned. Why Dawn keeps you on the Hoboken Zoning Board is beyond me.

Well "Sweetie", you certainly did try. But like everything else you do, it failed and backfired.

Alas, there is no 'there' there, only in your diseased mind. But you do reveal an intense jealousy- successful blog, successful board position. You are absolutely obsessed with me. Creepy.

How about minding your business for a change and getting out of mine, you sick creep? Your jealousy has eaten your brain.

As for the national news, they will be far more interested in your tale and you know exactly why that is. I am not a news anchor on a major NYC radio station, so I'm afraid I am not the one the national news will be gunning for.

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/12/zimmer-asks-senators-to-take-action.html