Hmmm...RedriderInforatinme..that has to be one of your shortest posts to date...."he resigned. enough said." ....

He quit. Why do I need to say more? The man can't say he was fired improperly and deserves compensation for that. And considering at best he worked part time and he was replaced w/ someone who appears to be working full time, not like he can even pretend the guy who replaced him is getting paid more b/c he is white. He is getting paid more b/c Zimmer wants someone to oversee the PD & FD full time so now we have a full time public safety director.

BTW - not at all disputing the job is a waste but I also think half the brass at the PD & FD are a waste and we probably do need someone to babysit them to make sure they don't waste even more money. So long as the public safety director saves us more than he costs us, I will support wasting some $ on keeping him on the job so he can save us even more $. Time will tell if he is really worth it.

Some history:

"According to a source, the salary for Hoboken Mayor Peter Cammarano's new chief-of-staff, Joseph Garcia, will be $125,000 per year. Hoboken's newly named corporation counsel, Jason Orlando, is also set to receive $125,000. That's more than what Cammarano's four new directors will get paid and almost as much as the mayor himself makes. Should the City Council approve their appointments, Health and Human Services Director Terry LaBruno, Environmental Services Director John Pope and Community Development Director Todd Poole will each make a salary not to exceed $115,000 per year.

Public Safety Director Angel Alicea will receive the same salary as Bill Bergin did for the job, a stipend of $27,500 per year.

At tomorrow night's City Council meeting, the City Council will be asked by the mayor to approve his appointments of the four new directors. The Council will also have to approve Mayor Cammarano proposed yearly salary of $129,945, plus health benefits. The Council will also be asked to approve their own compensation: Each Council person will make $24,130 and the Council president will make $26,541.
Hoboken's State Monitor Judy Tripodi has approved all of these hirings and salaries, including the chief-of-staff and corporation counsel."
http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ssf/2009/07/hoboken_mayors_chiefofstaff_to.html

Well what do you know another lie from Beth Mason's bajobseeking little fascist.
You want to give us more lectures on fascism Lane?

Cyberbullying is any harassment that occurs via the Internet. Vicious forum posts, name calling on blogs, posting fake/anonymous profiles on web sites, and mean or cruel messages are all ways of cyberbullying.

Both Hoboken Answer and ThisMeansWar fit the definition of cyber bullies.

I'll give tmw this one - you do fit the definition of Lane Bajardi.

Unlimited screen names running the same jive;

You imagine you are invisible and well-disguised;

Despite what we know you have done to ruin people via 411 smears and your support of the worst political/criminal elements in town - you magically still think you can deliver yourself of lectures on cyber-bullying and totalitarianism.

Word to the not especially wise provincial, your work with the latter betrays your quite limited depth and your dependence on google and the History Channel to sound "learned".

Prosbus

And you fit the definition of a douche bag. Not sure what point that you are trying to make.

Kind of wonder if the Mason-Russo cabal have a number of go to items to distract people when things go horribly wrong.

Let's see, when Mike Russo was caught on video accepting a bribe from Dwek, they instantly demanded all emails from the mayor's staff because they were supposedly using their position for political gain. How did that work out?

Hey pay attention and listen cuz we're going to say this so you can hear it clear all the way to Secaucus.

Alicea ran on Peter Cammarano's ticket for council. He was appointed by Peter Cammarano at the salary he was earning. Mayor Zimmer let him continue until he turned out to have not been up front on a certain FBI informant pal of Peter Cammarano and Mike Russo.

Next!

Info - the complaint is really a slam at Falco/ He needs to be ducking for cover. In a perverse way, I am fine with the rats turning on each other and then perhaps the thick stench over the PD may get addressed. Zimmer is not going to get hurt by this. It is actually an opportunity to peel back the cover on the PD. .

Hobbs - What you just said is COMPLETELY irrelevant. Bringing up Cammarano, Russo, Mason, etc...is just smoke and mirrors. Let's stick to the facts shall we? First - the State Fiscal Monitor called into serious question the need for a public safety director. Zimmer ran on a platform saying she was going to reduce personnel costs. And she hires a new public safety director at around 125K. She does this and at the same time replaces a good Hispanic public safety director whose duties and responsibilities were the same but who was only making about 25K. That is a $100K payload increase. Hobbs - cut it out with the smoke and mirrors...the lame references to a once fallen Mayor and deal with the facts.

Fact:
"Public Safety Director Angel Alicea will receive the same salary as Bill Bergin did for the job, a stipend of $27,500 per year."
http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ssf/2009/07/hoboken_mayors_chiefofstaff_to.html

He was kidding. HQ doesn't care about facts. Remember when he told us that Zimmer was going to be arrested by the feds for fraud in the hospital sale? Or that there is only one blogger, someone who lives upstate and is paid by Stan Grosbard something like that?

He's just a bored house husband. Let him have his little diversions. Beats working for a living...

It's like watching kids who don't know how to play cards claim that whatever they get is a winning hand.

We will be hearing that the Zimmer part of the lawsuit is devastating and beats any hand. And we'll also be hearing that the Falco part should be discarded. Because the Falco part argues for, not against, a PSD.

It says here that Dave Roberts tapped Mr Alicea to keep the PD from going to tittie bars, getting drunk, and letting the girls wave their semi-automatics around - on film no less. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2007/11/hooters_fallout_hoboken_mayor.html
This doesn't seem to have recurred under Mr Alicea's watch, at least not on film. So kudos, big feller.

We will also be hearing that the PD audit was right about getting rid of the Director of Tittie Bar Conduct post; but it was wrong about the recommended deep staff cuts, notwithstanding that Zimmer did not follow them. Like the lawsuit, the audit is only correct when it feels like it can be waved like a bloody shirt.

That Zimmer expanded the PSD role into something meaningful (that Alicea was not qualified to do) will NOT EVER be addressed. Her mistake was to keep the same name for the re-defined position as for the ceremonial throw-the-critics-a-bone position Alicea had.

Those are the cards they're dealt. As I said to one of LB's IDs yesterday, I forget which one, life is easier when you aren't paid to reach a specific conclusion. But I guess the money is better if you are.

Bingo. So let's ditch the zeroes for the HEROES... Zimmer-Tomarazzo-Hospital Authority-HoldCo.

Ignore the operatives and don't fall into their sticky trap. They will try to direct the discourse and bring it down EVERY time. That's what they do.

Mayor Zimmer and the people she hand-picked SAVED the hospital and our City's finances. Mason & Co. fought her EVERY STEP of the way. Ramos called Zimmer "incompetent". What the hell did HE do to help the sale? Except stand WITH those who tried to wreck the hospital sale.

Ramos did NOTHING. That's why HQ wants to talk about Angel Alicea not what a great job the mayor did. And the fantastic team she put together.

Let HQ and his friends talk to themselves.

Re-Elect Zimmer in 2013! She got our hospital sold and saved the City (and all those who pay taxes) a nightmarish fate.

Zimmer in 2013.

The End.

Yes. I agree. Kurt Gardner has my full support.

HQ - if you agree then start supporting the mayor and majority, start slamming Mason and her lies, start calling out Russo and his entire family for their grifting ways, start calling out Occhipiniti for being bought & paid for and start going after all the corrupt people who help to steal elections & buy votes in this town. Do that, and you will truly supporting Kurt.

Hoboken Questioner, it is very nice to hear from you. I posed a question earlier to your friend prosbus, and then to you, on another thread on this site, but since then you both seem to have become preoccupied. It's good to have you back. Since you are the Hoboken Questioner, perhaps you can "ask around" for me and get some answers?

I share your support for Kurt Gardiner but do not share your conclusion that any of our elected officials' lack of engagement with the freeholder race equates to tacit support for the incumbent, but am perfectly content to agree to disagree on this point. What I would be more interested in hearing from you is any insight you may have garnered from your political water cooler with regard to Lane Bajardi and the FBI. Is it true that he has been interviewed in connection with information-technology breaches at City Hall and confidential, privilged information leaking onto Hoboken411? How does Elizabeth Mason tie into this fascinating story? Do you find it problematic for Freeholder Romano that he has the official support of a Councilwoman who may or may not be a target in an ongoing federal probe that is clearly going on?

Also, is it true that Lane Bajardi and his wife Kim sought to parlay their political support for Elizabeth Mason and Peter Cammarano into City Hall employment? Have either of them collected any monetary compensation for any political-operative efforts in which they have engaged? Have any such efforts come up in any interviews conducted by FBI agents in any of their work in their ongoing investigation in Hoboken, which was initiated by a report filed with them directly by the Zimmer administration?

I am deferring to your intellect and insight here and very much wish to hear what you have to say. Thank you very much, Hoboken Questioner.

Yes, Bob R. People like HQ fancy themselves expert propagandists and the rest of us fools. I look it it the opposite way.

We know what he's up to. When a mosquito buzzes around your head do you swat it or talk to it?

Now, I think there will be 'news' coming about the behind-the-scenes machinations, but not sure it's the kind that Patch will report. I think there are others anxious to tell their stories.

A good trial attorney never asks a question he or she doesn't already know the answer to. Now that the sale is completed, I will take great pleasure in providing info that will be very embarrassing for the likes of OOC.

How come Outofcontrol didn't get the Old Guard memo on the remaining bids. That line died a while ago when the bids they thought could at least be construed as somehow competitive turned out to be about as competitive as Frank "Pupie" Raia to the Mayor in the 2009 mayoral election.

The other bids will only be far worse. Once again OOC will be seen as a fool. But yet we know the lies will just keep coming, over and over again.

Now it's a lie about people hired. Well it will be people based on competence like Ian Sacs and others who live in Hoboken too. But it won't from the Frank Raia absentee ballot campaigns.

Try to get over that OOC and tell someone to at least get the newest screeds over to Secaucus. You're funny when you lie with such regularity but entertaining.

Keep us laughing.

I took some time to reflect upon OOC's comment and my reply while I was out raking leaves this afternoon. What really bothers me about OOC and others of his/her ilk is that they cannot conceive of a group of Hobokenites that are truly well-intentioned and working toward a goal that is for the greater good. They can only see things from the perspective of those steeped in corrupt or self-serving ways for decades. Either that, or they are political operatives looking to inflame those aforementioned.

In any case, there are plenty of decent folks in town, and not all of them newcomers, and we've had it with the nonsense.

It's the latter: political operatives. They aren't paid to see decency.

It's past time to let OOC, HQ, MM and the rest of the alphabet talk to themselves.

How about it?

Eric - I really think it is b/c these people who support the worst of the worst in Hoboken politics only pretend everyone is as corrupt as the people they support b/c they want to be able to look themselves in the mirror and not see themselves as part of the problem.

Bob R... you're feeding the animals!

Glad this beast wants to see the other 5 bids. More laughs to come.

The hospital story is only the biggest story in Hoboken in some years.
The Alicea story is another shakedown and deserves more ink or internet pixels. lol

Well I do hope Outofhermind eats those bids after seeing them. We already saw the best 3 bids and 2 of those were nowhere nears as good as the winning bid.

It sounds right, but then I really can't provide an exact dollar amount because that's for the City to determine, not the Authority. The sale agreement requires the Authority to use its best efforts to cooperate and assist with efforts, post-sale, to obtain an abatement, PILOT, reduced assessment, or some other arrangement to reduce the property tax obligation. The agreement requires that representatives of the Authority participate in discussions with the City, but acknowledges that failure to obtain a tax abatement SHALL NOT result in any liability or obligation on the part of the Authority.

In other words, the Authority can ask the City to play nice with the new owners, but has no ability to create a tax abatement. The city is under no obligation to, except that doing so increases the hospital's chances of survival, and that's a whole 'nother debate. If you're one of those folks that wants a hundred year guarantee that the hospital will stay afloat AND at the same time wants to wring every dollar possible from the new owners, well then you've got a problem reconciling your wants.

I just want the Russo's to pay taxes at the same rate as I do.
;-)

Until there is a complete reassessment of every single property in town and all properties start paying taxes based on accurate and realistic property assessments, nobody will pay the same rate as you do.

Russo will move to his beach home if they ever lose that PILOT CT has.

The Authority is required to remain in existence for a year to deal with any loose ends that may arise, but will have little to nothing to do with the running of the hospital.

As for fairness in taxation, I'd almost agree with cassandra, except that it's not possible in Hoboken. The Housing Authority pays no property taxes, Church Towers and Clock Towers pay very little, Marine and Applied Housing pay only a little more. Northwest and southern waterfront redevelopment properties pay less than full taxation, as well as the many under-assessed properties (of which mine is one). A relative handful of Hoboken property owners pay full taxation. Don't want to subsidize the hospital? Fine, but there's a whole lot more equality in taxation that I'd be looking for.

All of this came about b/c for decades this part of NJ has been run by crooks and people like you voted for them knowing they were crooks. If you want fair taxes and spending then stop supporting people like Russo, Mason, Occhipinti and Castellano.

Here's one that pretty much says it all from you Cassandra just last month:

"The Old Guard may have been corrupt but at least they got things done. In fact, they took a city that was crumbling in 1968 and built a city the New Guard found attractive and moved here. Perhaps corruption is the price of competence."

There is no New Guard. There is the 21st century good governance group, the Old Guard who want to keep the old, dark "On the Waterfront Ways" and Old Hoboken that is caught paying for the ways of the Old Guard for decades.

So we know where you stand and no, we don't expect you to mend your ways.

No that's the best you can do but good of you to stand up and be counted.
Stand up for corruption and the old, dark ways.
Be proud. Represent.

We can at least respect you for that. I certainly do.