Hoboken Parents Look To Start New Charter School
A group of parents is applying for a charter for a science school.
A group of Hoboken parents is trying to start a new charter school in Hoboken.
Hoboken currently has three charter schools—Hoboken Charter, Elysian Charter School and dual language school HoLa—and the parents want to add one more: DaVinci, a school that is supposed to be focused on science and math.
The parents are asking Hobokenites—especially parents with young or school aged children—to fill out a survey to gauge interest in the idea.
Charter schools receive funding from the Hoboken Board of Education and are public, but can govern their schools independently. The director of a charter school effectively functions as its superintendent, and the charter schools in town do not fall under the responsibility of the Hoboken Board of Education.
According to an email from Laura Siegel, one of the parents involved, the proposed school is supposed to open in 2013. The first year the school will have Kindergarten through Second Grade and will expand to Fifth Grade.
The charter application is due on April 2, Siegel said. If approved, the charter will be granted by the state in September.
CuriousGal
10:43 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Congratulations to Laura Siegel and her colleagues who are being proactive about the education of their children, especially in the area of mathematics and science education and focus. Given the plummeting test scores and condition of the Hoboken Public Schools under the stewardship of Kids First, I think this is unfortunately the only solution.
Currently, over 90% of all children in the Hoboken Public School District attend a school that has FAILED to meet minimum adequate yearly progress standards set by the state and federal government. This in contract to less than 15% less than 3 short years ago. Hoboken High School considered in 2008 to be the second most improved high school in the state of New Jersey and the recipient of US News and World Report's Bronze Medal Award for the State of New Jersey (2008) is now a school that for the second year in a row has failed to make adequate yearly progress. The parade of retired interim administrators with no ties to the community and nearly 2 years spent looking for a replacement along with a general lack of any educational vision by Kids First (short of "smartboards") has been responsible for this quick decline.
Good luck to Ms. Siegal and DaVinci and I hope this sends a loud and clear message to Trenton that something is FUNDAMENTALLY wrong with the Kids First Board of Education.
CuriousGal
11:03 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
The Hoboken Public Schools now accept over 100 students from outside the city to educate-- this is due to the simple fact that enrollment is plummeting. Less than 3 years ago, Theresa Minutillo explained that accepting non-Hoboken resident (School Choice) to our public school was "just about the money" and made "no educational sense"--- yet now she is a champion for this program. To quote from nj.com, "Minutillo said the schools were basing their decision on finances, not educational benefits." (see: http://goo.gl/XFRtG)
More charter schools in this town may be the only answer since by every objective measure traditional public education in Hoboken is literally failing our children and their families.
Suggested links:
http://goo.gl/OxTP5 (schools in Hoboken failing to make AYP)
http://goo.gl/3bdWs (concerns about our Hoboken public schools)
ThisMeansWar
11:20 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Curiouskim more links to disgruntled ex-office holder Petro. But you lack the honesty to admit that it's Petro. Just like when you lack the honesty to name the "39yr civil servant" you're in bed with - Al Arezzo.
You and your husband are just plain trash. You don't respect people - not even enough to realize how easily they an tell you're lying. That will be your undoing. I bet it already is.
Journey
2:54 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I've grown more than weary of your posts. Can't wait to see where you send your child to school.
Laura Siegel
11:08 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I just wanted to add a link to our survey for anyone interested in filling it out: http://davincicharter.wordpress.com/community-survey/
Also: As the lead founder of DaVinci, I would like to clarify that we do not view our application as an indictment of the current board of education or district administration. Rather, we see it as a valuable additional school choice to supplement the available educational options in Hoboken for those parents who are looking for a non-traditional alternative for their children.
Hobbs
11:20 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Thank you for clearing that up.
Having your efforts affiliated in any way with CuriousGal's negative Old Guard political hate agenda would be certainly turn off many people in Hoboken.
prosbus
11:30 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Of course Ms. Siegal--- I'm sure it is a coincidence that you would like to see 4 charter schools in a town a mile square because the public school currently has over 90% of its students attending a school that has failed to meet minimum expectations. Good luck to you and in your efforts for parents seeking "a non-traditional alternative for their children."
FAP
11:57 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Ms.Siegel do you mind if I ask if you've secured a space for your new school? This being Hoboken space is always at a premium and can be hard to find.
Lane Dastardly
8:06 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Laura would do well to distance herself from Beth Mason who has been said to be the drivving force behind curiousgall and prosbus. Rumour is they recieve funds to do this manic anti-reform screenname changing blogging
Grafix Avenger
11:16 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Claire, please note that 90% of the per pupil cost for all Charter School Students comes directly from the local municipal tax levy that the district receives.
Thanks.
Boink
11:31 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
http://njcharters.org/index.php/understand-charter-schools/myths-about-charter-schools
Stop lying Nancy we all know you are anti charter.
Grafix Avenger
1:15 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Moron- your link supports my statement. Have you read it?
You have no idea what my views are. You're trying to provoke a rift between public and charter parents that isn't there.
Nice try.
Psst... only ones who like to call me "Nancy" in that stalkerish way are the two RATS that gave up Perry Belfiore's email to Al Sullivan. Which RAT are you? The fat nerdy RAT or the unibrowed RAT with the horrid wife?
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/02/ga-catches-rat.html
Maureen First
11:48 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I'm available to run this charter school and insist I be allowed to do so. As I will have time on my hands coming up after November, please contact me.
Otherwise I could be boinked.
QJ201
11:53 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Let's be clear, charter schools are an end around the intractable and resistant public school system. Perhaps with moving BoE elections to November, we can elect persons who will really improve our public schools rather than maintain the status quo and the revolving door of nepotism hires.
Boink
2:05 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Rift? The only one on record attacking a charter school is you, so crawl back under your rock and take your Meds.
prosbus
2:14 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
GA said, "You're trying to provoke a rift between public and charter parents that isn't there."
RIFT of course there is. just take a look whenever a comment about Hola is made. The same Zimmer zombie minions who support Kids First attack Hola. Nancy GA usually leads the charge--
Best of luck getting a 4th charter school in town--- and while maybe officially not, it is an indication of the lack of faith in the Zimmer backed Kids First public school district.
Redrider765
2:36 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Uh huh, this coming from the guy who supports political candidates who everyone has such weak faith in that the only way they could win reelection is if they passed out tens of thousands of dollars on election day to voters in their wards.
BTW, nobody would care about HOLA if they weren't in the B&G building and hogging up so much of the space when the B&G club was open for business. That is the only real problem anyone has w/ that charter school.
Grafix Avenger
4:13 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Hey RAT, what kind of RAT leaks his associates' private political strategy discussions to Al Sullivan-- YOU do! Lane prosbus gave Al Sullivan Perry Belfiore's email... the Old Guard hates you now. Not that they liked you before. But you are a TRAITOR... a real RAT fink.
Read all about Lane the RAT-a-tat-tat:
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/02/ga-catches-rat.html
Got an update to that coming, RAT.
Lane Dastardly
8:08 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
hobokken questioner is prosbbus today??? not sara sullivan the collegge strudent like yesterday?? welcome homee from school in ohio!!
rtrux
3:27 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
curiousgirl/probus...a few hours ago you were "sara", lying your way thru the st. patty's day and food truck posts. since you are proven liars, why would anyone pay attention to you now on this or any other topic?
ms. siegel: please note earlier comment from hobbs. any perceived association with curiousgirl/probus/kim/lane/old guard will mean the vast majority of parents in town will be turned off from supporting your effort. just an fyi.
Anon Guest User
3:57 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Just a quick note to the bloggers out here. All the they're right they're wrong, old guard, zimmer backers etc, all the back and forth that transpires here is why residents like me that used to read this site read other sites. It's gotten awful and it is not policed properly. Those of you that comment all the time are grown adults that act like 4 year olds with the hair pulling posts. You are all responsible for taking this town down. Please shut the FUC% UP for a few weeks. It's a problem for me as I tried to rent an apartment I owned and someone mentioned they read up on Hoboken on this site and thought the town was SH$T. Please police this site better, you're all to blame. Grow up!
CuriousGal
4:07 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Sorry sweetie--- the only thing I will agree with you is that the site simply was never monitored well. So, the zimmer zombies would continually post character attacks on so called "old guard" people and feel quite justified in doing so. I tried using the "Flag as inappropriate" feature with luke warm results. Frankly, I really don't care if my posting is a problem for you. Deal with it.
Khoboken
4:32 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Sorry - not buying the renter didn't like my apartment because of this site. Really lame. Maybe you should check for bedbugs or roaches.
Anon Guest User
5:18 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
You're all very sad and troubled individuals and I believe I speak on behalf of many. Enjoy your sad lives in ruining Hoboken. Nobody gives a shit about all this stuff, we care about the schools, our taxes, our safety and parking, all this other shit you guys hit on is really not needed
Redrider765
11:29 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
If you had a problem renting your apartment, my guess is you are asking too much. Selling a 2BR is a problem, renting a 2 BR is easy as pie. Same goes for renting just about any other space. Now STFU, go clean & paint your rat trap, lower your ask & maybe you can rent it.
ThisMeansWar
6:42 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
More bs from husband and wife PAID POLITICAL OPERATIVES Curiousgal and Prosbus. Ms Siegel, they have no interest in the truth. Want proof?
The two of them spent the entire day last Saturday attempting to deny the statewide popularity of moving school board elections to November. (413 of 538 have made the switch.) They are so scripted that often their "opinions" are word for word identical.
Curiousgal: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2441917
Prosbus: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2443563
We are fortunate to have 2 people made so stupid by rage at perceived political enemies that they are providing little if any service to their pay masters.
Ms Siegel & friends of this new initiative - just think for yourselves and you'll be fine. Click the name of a commenter, see their history, judge their intentions. Good luck.
Firewater
7:00 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
With parental involvement being the number one reason for the scholastic success of a child, is there any wonder why charter schools appear to offer a better education than the public schools? Let me also mention the fact that when a child fails to preform well or is deemed too great of a disciplinary problem, charter schools will show that student the door--a luxury not afforded to public schools. I submit to you this: charter schools are in no way superior to their public counterparts. Elitist, yes. A drain on the public schools, yes. Superior, not in the least. Parents, send your geniuses to the public schools! They will receive a great education and test scores will, indeed, rise. The difference is you.
Bob R
7:15 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
@"Anon Guest User", the Hoboken rental market is tighter than Mrs. Prosbus' chastity belt so if you can't rent your unit, blame your own ineptitude, not Patch commenters. You could rent out a roach motel for at least a grand in this town so take your latest variation of the "Sara Sullivan" schtick and ram it down the corn cobs between Tim Occhipinti's ears.
@prosbus, can you please give us an update on one Mr. Lane Bajardi's activities with regard to the hot lamps in Newark? What information has Mr. Lane Bajardi given to the FBI so far in connect with City Hall data theft, and what he knew and when he knew it and on behalf of whom?
Thank you very much, prosbus!
Lane Dastardly
8:10 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
annon guest user is a old guard spammer
Outofcontrol
11:18 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Hwy Anon Guest User, perhaps your renters got a look at the real crime statistics as they relate to Hoboken. There's some pretty scary stuff in there. Nothing like the phony
numbers the inept mayor dished out at her state of the city debacle.
Bob R
12:22 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Yeah, Anon Guest User, you should try moving to Secaucus, where the only thing to fear is expatriated Hoboken goomars whose over-the-top anger and hatred might just set off a nuclear explosion.
Hobbs
11:34 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Sadly Mason, Russo, Castellano, Occhipintithe Old Guard has made negativity, hate mongering and creating chaos in Hoboken as their primary political strategy .
I agree Anon Guest User post is just another lame attempt to continue their negative campaign.
Journey
11:39 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I'm a parent that has been critical of HoLa. Well skeptical and suspicious might be more accurate. HoLa was born in 'behind closed doors' meetings between Jack Raslowsky and two parents that wanted dual language program as part of the public school. See this article for some background: http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ssf/2008/11/hoboken_schools_approve_spanis.html
"The $200,000 in funding will cover a consulting fee of $150,000 to HoLa Leadership LLP, which was created by two parents with children in pre-school. The remaining $50,000 will cover a $7,500 stipend for a program administrator, $10,000 for curriculum development and funds for books and other materials."
CuriousGal
5:27 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
There were plenty of advertised meetings--- the reality was that a dual language program was said to be "not popular" for the Hoboken Public Schools by Hola's opponents (including Kids First and then Mayor Roberts). They were proven wrong. So, instead of an extra few hundred children in the Hoboken Public Schools as part of a program-- we have another charter school. Best thing that ever happened to the founders of Hola-- being independent of this inept and chronically vindictive Board. Best of luck to DaVinci--- I have no doubt they will get a charter and provide a great math/sci/engineering education for the children of this city.
Journey
11:44 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
As a woman that loves math and science, who's family is filled with tech people, this might be a nice match for our daughter. But I would not be enrolling her in this charter school to flee the public schools. I would be enrolling her in a charter school because it has an interesting curriculum. The same reason if when she gets to high school and she made into the County Technology High School I would send her to it. Or if we lived in NYC and she loved a certain field and tested into one of the specialized high schools I would send her there. Because these programs can offer something more that any public school can not, a specialized focused that would not be appropriate to all children. If you lived in NYC and your child was fantastic musician and got into LaGuardia Arts, would I stop her? Hell no. Is the Fame school better at teaching math, English, and science? I doubt it, but it is a great place to go if you are into the performing arts. It offerses a speicalized curriculum.
It sounds like this charter will be offering a specialized curriculum. My interest in this school is not because I think my daughter will do poorly at the public school, but because I think a curriculum like that might be very interesting for her.
CuriousGal
5:30 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
Agreed--- but there is no reason why such a curriculum should not be offered in ANY public school in this state and certainly should be offered in this city. The current board is a little too focused on bells and whistles (smartboards, laptops, AP, Foss kits, etc...) and NOT the underlying curriculum and teaching challenges. I applaud the initiative being taken by this group-- best of luck to them.
Kathy Zucker
1:33 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I was initially excited about this charter school and responded yes to all the survey questions about how it would help my family stay in Hoboken. After talking to my husband, who works in technology, we decided not to pursue this school option because it does not look like a good fit for our kids.
With children in pre-K3 and kindergarten, I am satisfied with school options at their level since there are many good programs in town. I am much more concerned about what is going to happen once they reach fifth or eighth grades, when there are many fewer choices. As well, I am curious as to how many families would truly stay in town when the inventory of 3BR apartments is both extremely limited and increasingly expensive, plus charter schools do not require attendees to live in Hoboken (have met families who live in JC Heights and Weehawken who send their kids to Hoboken charters). http://hobokenrealestatenews.com/2011/11/14/whats-happening-to-hoboken-condo-inventory/
David Mello
12:19 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
Kathy - Thank you for continually pointing out the lack of three-bedroom, market-rate units in Hoboken. This is a severe problem that will drive families out of our city.
Journey
3:30 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Firewater
The mobile site does not have a reply button under comments so I have reply here.
From http://njcharters.org/index.php/understand-charter-schools/myths-about-charter-schools:
Myth #3: Charter schools simply expel students they don’t want.
Fact: Both traditional district schools and charter schools can expel students. Charter school students have the same rights to due process as traditional public school students, including the right to a hearing.
franksinatra
9:09 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
I, too, want to second others here and wish Laura the best of luck in getting this new school off the ground. Parents need as many school choices as possible for their children and this looks like it will be a good one. Hoboken is becoming a nationwide leader in offering more school choices for students and in breaking the public school monopoly. But a word of warning, Laura: Be prepared for a nasty fight, as some of the comments here and elsewhere have already shown. Kids First and its small circle of supporters are adamantly opposed to charter schools and they will fight this one tooth and nail, along with the public school administration. But the community will overwhelmingly support you and you should be a big success.
Journey
9:36 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
I'm a kids first supporter. You are bitter Internet troll.
johnsmith
9:38 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Hola wasn't originally proposed as a charter?
leafy
10:38 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
New in town, Mr. Smith?
ConcernedParent
1:10 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
I have a child in a public school and let me tell you something... the vast majority of the parents with children K-2 grade are in our school are on the waiting list to a Charter School. Nobody turns down an opportunity to go to the charter school once they get a spot, even if it's less convenient to where they live than the public school. The unfortunate reality is such that those who can afford it, send their kids to private and others are really hoping for a spot in one of the charter schools. I know families who pulled their kids from public school and send to private at a great financial strain to their family budget. So yes, there is an overwhelming need for another charter school in this community, especially amongst families with early elementary and PreK age children. Voting against the proposed DaVinci school is not going to make the demand go away. Instead of spending their energy and money on opposition, the board should take a really hard look as to why so many parents are not happy with the district schools, why they like Charter Schools so much more and look for the ways to imitate the positives in those schools and for ways to improve in general (hint: SmartBoards don't teach, teachers do! Reward good teachers, replace the bad/indifferent ones)
Hoboken1653
2:50 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
"Reward good teachers, replace the bad/indifferent ones" AMEN!!! Good luck with the Teacher's union on that on though