Zimmer: A Walled Hoboken at Heart of Plan to Battle Flooding
Flooding, innovation and improving infrastructure were the focus of Mayor Dawn Zimmer's state of the city address on Wednesday.
A plan that includes permanent flood walls on the north and south ends of Hoboken would reinforce the city's infrastructure in the event of another catastrophic storm, Mayor Dawn Zimmer said Wednesday night.
Zimmer focused on Hoboken's resilience after Sandy during her third State of the City address on the Stevens Campus, outlining a plan that uses Hoboken’s topography and elevation as a barrier to flooding. The concept could reinforce the most vulnerable parts of the city, which are the north and south side of Hoboken where majority of flooding occurs.
"This system is proposed as a best practice by FEMA and has been successfully implemented in numerous locations," Zimmer said, "including hospitals where building up on pilings simply was not an option."
Permanent flood walls along the north and south ends of the city would connect to the cliffs to the west.
“As an urban community, we cannot raise our buildings up on piles, we cannot build sand dunes to protect our city,” said Zimmer. “We need a better solution.”
In addition, roadways at either end of Hoboken would be equipped with a flood break system, which will rise up as a gate if flooding occurs.
The North Hudson Sewerage Authority is also proposing the installation of additional flood pumps, so water can be pumped out quickly should.
“The question everyone has been asking since the storm is ‘how do we prevent this from happening again?’” Zimmer said. “I have been asking myself those same questions, and I have asked different experts and stakeholders to think about how we can address our flooding problems.”
Dr. George Korfiatis, Stevens Institute's provost and university vice president, introduced Zimmer, who kicked off her speech by thanking the first responders and thousands of volunteers that came out in the aftermath of the storm.
“Hurricane Sandy was by far the biggest event this year,” said Zimmer. “I want to start by thanking our first responders including the police, fire, OEM, employees from the Parking Utility, as well as our Hoboken Volunteer Ambulance Corps for working tirelessly to protect our community.”
With a special shout out to Weehawken Mayor Richard Turner, Secaucus Mayor Michael Gonnelli, Gov. Chris Christie and Community Emergency Response Team leader Lou Casciano and Volunteer Ambulance Corps President Thomas Molta.
Hoboken is in the process of not only rebuilding, but becoming stronger. Zimmer called for the development of a more comprehensive, integrated approach to protect the city.
With that in mind, the mayor said she is actively pursuing federal funding to make those changes a reality. Future developments in Hoboken, she said, will have to be built in such a way that they do not add to the flooding problem, she said.
Zimmer said that "going green" should be the main focus in keeping Hoboken safe and resilient. This plan includes purchasing park space, building large underground detention systems, and incentivizing green roofs that retain rainwater from going into the sewer system to help reduce flooding.
Hurricane Sandy also highlighted the vulnerabilities in Hoboken’s power system. Zimmer said that the city is working on developing a micro-grid with hybrid power sources that can be supplemented by green energy to provide power to critical infrastructures like the hospital and supermarkets during power outages.
“A power grid like this would be the first in New Jersey,” said Zimmer, who is currently in discussions with PSE&G regarding the idea.
Looking to the future, Zimmer said that 2013 will — much like 2012 — be another year of parks, mentioning the scheduled completion of projects Church Square Park, Sinatra Park and Elysian Park.
"I remain focused on parks acquisition in the western side of the City," Zimmer said. The city is still in court to acquire that piece of land. While mentioning phase one of the completion of 1600 Park, Zimmer didn't give a timeline.
“For me, our parks aren’t just an important part of solving our flooding problems," Zimmer said, "they are critical to improving our quality of life."
Lastly, Zimmer focused on taxes.
While the city suffered significant losses during Sandy — more than $100 million — Zimmer promised that taxes will not go up.
"We will have to use much of our surplus," she said, "but we will not raise taxes in a year where so many business and residents have paid such a huge price."
demosthenes
5:10 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013
The plan sounds pretty ambitious but could be a real game changer if the funding comes through. No tax increase sure is a welcome surprise - I thought there was no way taxes wouldn't have to go up.
HudsonStreet
12:30 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
If the Federal Government can fund the levees around New Orleans and other projects all over the country they should be willing to fund a project to aid Hoboken.
Whatever is done will have to be designed to meet the extraodinary approval processes on the State and Federal levels.
PeoplePlease
5:10 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013
A Hoboken seawall is needed but I dont think it needs to be anything elaborate.
I would focus the greatest seawall work on a wall that extends from around Breezy Point to the tip of Gateway Park in NJ. This effort I feel would be a much more efficient use of money when you look at the cost vs those protected.
Khoboken
11:23 am on Friday, February 15, 2013
Would you lease just move out of Hoboken already. We get it. You hate the mayor and anything that she says or proposes.
PeoplePlease
1:36 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
I'm not going anywhere K. And I dont hate the mayor. "Hate" is a word that should be left out of politics. unfortunatly the amateur hour that is Hoboken political discussion believes in the word hate.
I think the better option would be to use funds to protect all of the NY metro area.
Build smarter not stronger
11:23 am on Friday, February 15, 2013
A walled Hoboken is not the answer. Re-thinking engineered infrastructure to be more dynamic is the smart way of approaching this situation. Using a combination of dynamic ecological stormwater systems will help Hoboken's flooding.
Traditional engineering will stop someone's problem and make it someone else's. I can't wait to hear what Jersey City and Weehawkin say about this proposal.
demosthenes
12:30 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
"Re-thinking engineered infrastructure to be more dynamic is the smart way of approaching this situation. Using a combination of dynamic ecological stormwater systems will help Hoboken's flooding."
Sounds great. If only it actually meant something.
With all that fancy sounding gobbledygook we need Perry Belfiore to make sense of it for us. He might be the only person in Hoboken fluent enough in gibberish to translate this for us.
Build smarter not stronger
4:53 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Quick version. Its all about using ecological functions to slow, absorb and treat stormwater. Constructed wetlands, bio-swales, trees and plants...etc that create a better urban experience. This will take pressure off Hoboken's combined sewer system (CSO's), which is Hoboken's biggest problem.
Walls or levees don't solve problems, they usually enhance them when a bigger storm comes. Where will all that water go if it doesn't go into Hoboken. Towns need to working together on this one, stormwater doesn't care about city lines.
Ojo Rojo
5:09 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Trees and plants won't stop a storm surge that put more than half this town under several feet of water. A wall or some other real barrier would have stopped it.
Outofcontrol
11:23 am on Friday, February 15, 2013
Another year of parks? What happened to last year? If we have another year like last year, that would mean still another year without any new open space,
HudsonStreet
12:30 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Sadly Beth Mason has little choice but to surround herself with negative people like Outofcontrol.
Scott M. Siegel
5:09 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
No parks?1600 Park would have come online if the incompetent minority didn't block it. Expect it in 2013. She also spoke of innovative ideas like retractable flood walls for southern and northern Hoboken. Other parks like Legion, Jackson. Jefferson, Mama Johnson, Church Sq. and Madison St parks have been renovated.
CuriousGal
11:21 am on Friday, February 15, 2013
Designing, planning, and construction of a north and south permanent sea wall is a pretty ambitious plan for an administration that has not been able to install a traffic light on 16th Street.
HudsonStreet
12:30 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Sadly Beth Mason has little choice to surround herself with negative people like CuriousGal.
puzzledone
12:30 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Don't worry, I'm sure that there will be an opportunity for Tim Occhipinti to vote against bonding for it and follow that up with an op-ed piece complaining about the fact that the administration failed to do it, and you can keep whining here too, just like on everything else.
Scott M. Siegel
5:09 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Again blocked by the minority CG. Blame MORTe not Mayor Zimmer.
CuriousGal
5:37 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
SS- there was more than enough money in the surplus for putting p a traffic light. If Dawn didn't want to bond for everything, putting everything on the credit card for future administrations, there would be a light up at 16th Street right now. Again, the continued lack of taking any responsibility has become a hallmark for the supporters of the current administration.
Ojo Rojo
12:00 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
The surplus is for emergencies, not to pay for the stupidity and intransigence of the minority.
puzzledone
12:00 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
What you refer to as a "credit card for future generations" is referred to in municipal finance circles as "asset-liability matching." Of course, you just proved on another board that you either have a lying or counting problem with your assertion that the drop in the number of 11th grade students was only one year, not the 9. Someone with your track record of posting about our schools should probably have known better, but I'm sure you did.
KenOn10
4:53 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
The seawall sounds pretty far fetched to me. On the North end of town, it would have to connect the Palisades all the way to Stevens cutting everyone off from the waterfront. Good luck with that one.
Otherwise, some good ideas, but expensive. For example, parks on the west side might help control flooding, but only if they have a natural surface... which is rare in hoboken. Also, what about segregating the storm and sanitary sewer lines?
How cool is it that our flood relief volunteer manager is named "Outwater"!
Ojo Rojo
5:09 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Parks on the west side would have done nothing during Hurricane Sandy b/c the west side was under 6 feet of water. A seawall also would not need to stretch from the cliff to Stevens b/c a good chunk of uptown never flooded and already provides a natural barrier for Sandy like storms. As for the sewers, do you really want every street dug up and 2 sets of sewer lines put in to replace the 1 already there? I for one don't b/c that is a hell of a lot more expensive than any sea wall.
peterbelfiore
4:53 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Demo,
The only gibberish is assuming the Army Core of Engineers will approve a flooding solution that negatively impacts surrounding communities. But alas I feel Dawn already knows the plan will be rejected. Place this on the same ash heap as the year of the parks.
Perry
Ojo Rojo
5:09 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
They have approved tons of flood control measures. They will approve just about anything this town decides to build so long as it is built on land without question.
HudsonStreet
5:09 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Sadly just more of the same negativity from peterblfiore.
CuriousGal
5:09 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Interesting that for the 2nd year in a row Dawn did not make any significant mention of traditional public education in Hoboken.
Scott M. Siegel
8:05 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
That is the most inane and absurd comment since "most towns won't approve a BOE November election". Mayor Zimmer is not the superintendent or on the BOE board. How often are BOE issues mentioned at the City Council meetings ? Virtually not at all. How often are City Hall issues mentioned at the BOE? Again hardly at all. It's just like Beth Mason complaining about Councilwoman Zimmer working with Kids First in 2009 and then her husband funds two BOE campaigns in a row.
CuriousApologist
8:05 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
The BOE worries about that, girlfriend. That's why we have our kids in Stevens Cooperative, remember? You're worrying me, honey.
CuriousGal
12:00 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Minutillo used to complain about city hall getting involved with Board of Ed elections until Dawn started supporting Kids First. Dawn has endorsed the Kids First political group for the past few elections-- telling us about what a "great job" they are doing and endorsing the ticket. Is the education of the city's children not part of the state of the city? Obama includes education in the State of the Nation. Christie includes education in the State of the State. But Dawn doesn't include education in the State of the City? Maybe because under her political cronies the school district is in need of improvement? 90% of kids attend a school that has failed to meet adequate yearly progress? A high school that went from 2nd most improved to bottom 10% according to NJ Monthly? Per pupil spending hovering around $30K? Assaults, violence and suspensions in the high school? Crony hires from Newark, Bayport, and Plainfield? Parents abandoning the schools? Hundreds of "school choice" students coming in by the busload from Jersey City?
puzzledone
11:46 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
CG, can I ask you again to respond to the 9 CONSECUTIVE YEARS of statistically significant drops in 11th grade enrollment and whether we can trust test scores and graduation rates during that period as a result? On another board, you recently claimed it was a single year, and did not reply to the posting of the actual source material showing that it was 9.
This either shows an intent to lie about the facts, or that you are so critically misinformed and unwilling to consider facts that don't support your hypotheses about the district that your opinion is meaningless.
recallbethmason
5:09 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Personally I am a big fan of what the mayor has accomplished especially in light of the constant sabatogue by mason, Tim o, Russo et al....who try to vote against anything productive for the city. But the wall concept might not work...it does make you wonder where does the water then go? Neighboring towns? Also what happened to protecting our power grid? It is way to close to the water...I thought there was talk of raising our power grid 10 or more feet into the air? The fund for better waterfront seem to be the most educated in dealing with these situations. The city should consult with this group before moving forward with any project.
Eric
5:09 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
This has nothing to do with surrounding communities, and if they want to sit on their butts that's their problem. They are free to come up with their own solutions. We need to keep water out. During a storm surge we are way below sea level and no matter what you do, having huge open areas along the shoreline that dump into low lying areas will negate any measures you take. They need to be blocked off and additional ejector pumps installed. They should also take a look at modifying theatorm drains in some areas and install something that won't get clogged so easily. It was one reason why the water took so long to drain.
peterbelfiore
8:05 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
Hudson,
Not negative, realistic. If you or anyone thinks this plan can be built without Environmental Impact Studies or the approval of the Army Core of Engineers, you really don't know what you are talking about. But Dawn has already been told this.
Perry
Ojo Rojo
12:00 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
If you think anyone is going to deny Hoboken the right to do the exact same thing so many other cities have done just b/c they have to fill out some paperwork, you don't know what you are talking about Perry. And FYI - DC put in their own floodwall about a year or so ago.
HudsonStreet
12:00 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I doubt anyone expected that approvals would not be needed.
Considering all the problems from previous administrations that now must be repaired or replaced, I wouldn't want to see anything built without proper studies being done first.
I appreciate your attempts to continue to try to be negative.
Hobbs
5:37 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
The NJT raised rail tracks for the most part already form a wall on the southern border of Hoboken. Some sort of plan to temporarilyy block flood waters at the the undepasses shouldn't be too complicated or expensive. NJT also needs to protect their waterfront property.
The northern border is still mostly vacant or soon to be developed property and flood measures should be part of any redevelopment plan,
Ojo Rojo
12:00 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
NJT needs more flood protection. Their raised tracks did not protect their trains and did not protect their own equipment adequately.
Scott M. Siegel
12:00 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Once again CG shows how bankrupt her side is is on the usage of a surplus. A surplus is prudently uses for unforeseen events or unusual events like retro pay ,
lawsuits, increased energy costs, tax appeals etc. A traffic light is long term asset and in most communities is financed via a capital budget thru bonding. MORTe voted that correct strategy down.
CuriousGal
11:46 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Depending on geometrics and the type of signal designed, a traffic signal can cost $130,000 to $250,000. In August of 2010, Hoboken had a $20,100,000.00 surplus. The traffic light would have been about 1% of the SURPLUS-- (note: not from the budget). The result? 3+ years of no park at 16th Street.... maybe a good excuse, but not good for getting things done.
"Bonding simply increases the municipal debt burden and that is not a risk we need to take given the uncertain economy" - Councilwoman Castellano.
Ojo Rojo
12:43 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
CG, stop lying. The city never had $20mm of cash sitting in surplus and you know that. Stop with the dishonesty already. Your constant attempts to play fast and loose w/ the truth and the constant disinformation you put out has done nothing but make Mason and company look horrible.
HudsonStreet
1:38 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Sadly curiousgal is only able regurgitate Beth Mason's negativity and talking points.
Scott M. Siegel
1:38 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
As Rojo said the $20 surplus lie was started by Beth Mason. Every year she cites the general fund balance not the cash surplus.The number cited can be found on Sheet 3A of the Annual Financial Statement. The cash surplus can be found Sheet 21 and stood at $9,699,159.43.
http://www.hobokennj.org/docs/businessadmin/FinancialStatementCY2011.pdf
Money was recommended to be reserved for retro pay, lawsuits, early retirement, tax appeals, and other items. She does quote Castellano correctly, but fails to mention she is part of the fiscal and legal incompetents who tried to zero out the surplus (but couldn't add their numbers up correctly, thank God). Had this occurred there would have been no money available for Sandy type emergencies. In terms of schools as cited above she fails to mention the 10r scam that was finally revealed when Kids First finally had the audit discussed rather that just adopted as in the past. That portion of the meting was "accidentally" deleted by Patrick Riccardi of data theft fame.
CuriousGal
6:50 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Details of the $20,000,000.00 2010 surplus can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/aegjjzr
(SS has said it was more like $14 million, $11 million, $10 million, pick your number....)-- regardless, certainly enough for an infrastructure improvement. What is the cost for 3 years without a park?
Regarding "10r"-- that was explained in detail in fall 2012: http://tinyurl.com/a3t5ua4 (summary: Kids First revealed nothing)
HudsonStreet
12:21 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Sadly we have all seen CuriouGal regurgitating the same lies and talking points that Beth Mason has done over and over again.
Ojo Rojo
12:21 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
How many times are you going to change your tune when you get called out for lying? You have been repeating the $20mm surplus lie that Mason propagated for going on a year and every time you get called on it you retreat and start up with more nonsense. Good thing you aren't a journalist b/c you sure suck at fact checking.
puzzledone
12:21 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Ah yes...a Hoboken 411 article...and a letter to the editor saying "Stuff happened, but not the stuff you thought, and none of it is our fault". Nothing like a little truthiness to start your day.
ThisMeansWar
12:21 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
I notice that when you don't think the reading public will completely ridicule a source, you give the true URL. But when it's a clown like Petrosino or a joke like Hoboken411, you use tinyurl.
That's probably a good idea. You wouldn't want people see that your using that drek as "source material".
CuriousGal
8:33 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
I believe Hoboken411 is as informative as Mr. Da Horsey and I believe the Hoboken Reporter is a reputable local newspaper. Many others do as well.
Here is another tiny url: http://tinyurl.com/af49tg8
Eric
12:21 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
CG, why are you so against having savings in "the bank"?
Smart people sock money away to use in an emergency rather than rely on credit cards and loans to put up money they don't have.
CuriousGal
8:33 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Of course I favor having some savings in "the bank" as you point out. It is reasonable and prudent with family finances as well as municipal financing. I do find it unsettling however that the administration's financial "principles" are so fiscally extreme that they would sacrifice a thousand days of park use for tens of thousands of our citizens for less than 2% of a surplus documented to be well north of $10 million dollars.
Scott M. Siegel
8:32 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
VIDEO: Christie says he's 'looking at every alternative' to stop Meadowlands, Hoboken flooding
http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2013/02/video_christie_says_hes_looking_at_every_alternative_to_stop_meadowlands_hoboken_flooding.html#incart_river
Scott M. Siegel
8:32 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Weighing Sea Barriers as Protection for New York
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/nyregion/after-hurricane-sandy-debating-costly-sea-barriers-in-new-york-area.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Scott M. Siegel
8:49 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
CG and Hoboken411. What a shock.
1) Dawn was raided by the FBI.
2) Ian sacs was guilty.
3) $20 million "slush fund"
etc, etc.....
Lois Gross
5:09 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Respectfully, we need the pumps that were promised, earlier. Walls, if they work, are only part of solution. The water came up, in many places, not down. Also, local realtors need to be forced to reveal the potential for flooding on particularly flood-prone streets. Just as you must disclose structural faults in a house, this is an important decision-maker for people who are investing as much money as the (overpriced) Hoboken market requires. All cards should be on the table, including the flood card.
Martin
12:45 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Growing protests of FEMA's erroneous flood maps, over-kill elevation mandates and exorbitant insurance costs: ==> http://tomsriver.patch.com/articles/overcrowding-forces-cops-to-halt-stop-fema-now-meeting ==> Join our fight to get the misguided 2012 Biggert-Waters Act corrected!