Interfaith Celebration Scheduled at Calabro After Santa Was Asked to Leave Last Week
Students will be able to take a picture with Santa, a menorah or a kinara on Tuesday at the Calabro school.
After Santa Claus was asked to leave last week right before an event in which Calabro School students could take their pictures with Father Christmas, a new event representing three religions has been scheduled for Tuesday morning.
Students will be able to choose to take a picture with either Santa Claus, a menorah (for the Jewish students) or a kinara (for those celebrating kwanzaa).
Last Wednesday, Santa showed up at the Calabro school for the annual longstanding event, during which students can take their picture with him for $1. One parent, with a Jewish background, objected that other religions weren't represented in the event and Santa—already in his suit and ready for the event—was asked to leave, after the Calabro principal contacted the superintendent.
Superintendent of Schools Dr. Mark Toback said in a phone interview on Monday afternoon that he consulted the school board's lawyer, who advised him to reschedule the event, which is organized by the district's Parent Teacher Organization. Toback said that the event, now scheduled for Tuesday morning, will feature Hanukkah and Kwanzaa traditions as well as the Christmas tradition.
In the future, Toback said, the event will likely be held after school to avoid such conflicts.
"I don't want to interfere with school tradition," Toback said.
A PTO meeting was held last week after the incident during which the new event, with all religions present, was scheduled.
PeoplePlease
3:44 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
$1 for a picture with a menorha! I'll give you $.50 and not a penny more!!!
Kelly
5:45 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
As a former member of a PTO for 9 years, all I could say is-if anyone from other religions, beliefs had a problem with Santa Claus showing up for a PTO event, then maybe if they volunteered or attended a PTO meeting these concerns could have come up before the event!!!
old Swaby
8:06 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Kelly: Your 120% correct...The pea ants destroy everything for our children and grandchildren....
Jack Zinser
8:19 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
quarter
Journey
4:06 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
3 religions is hardly all.
From http://www.interfaithcalendar.org these are the 2011 December Holidays.
5 Ashura * ** - Islam
6 Saint Nicholas Day - Christian
8 Bodhi Day (Rohatsu) ** - Buddhism
8 Immaculate Conception - Catholic Christian
12 Feast day - Our Lady of Guadalupe - Catholic Christian
16 Posadas Navidenas through Dec. 25 - Christian
21-28 Hanukkah * - Jewish
22 solstice
22 Yule - Christian
22 Yule * - Wicca/Pagan northern hemisphere
22 Litha * - Wicca/Pagan southern hemisphere
24 Christmas Eve - Christian
25 Christmas * - Christian
25 Feast of the Nativity - Orthodox Christian
26 Zarathosht Diso (Death of Prophet Zarathushtra) ** - Zoroastrian
26 Saint Stephen, Deacon and Martyr - Christian
28 Holy Innocents - Christian
30 Feast of the Holy Family - Catholic Christian
31 Watch Night - Christian
I'm sure there are more out there.
Jeremy Mikola
4:42 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Judaism appears to be the only religion presented in this article. Kwanzaa is cultural, not religious, and I would argue the same for Santa Claus. Organizing this outside of school hours next year sounds reasonable, especially if it can avoid the headaches and legal fees.
Bj Stoppelwerth
4:56 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
I totally agree! To each there own andd respect for each beleif.
Charles Schwartz
9:56 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Any idea why they separate ;"Christian" from "Orthodox Christian" on your list when it comes to Christmas?
Journey
11:26 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Charles Schwartz,
The most common reason on list like this is because they follow different calendars and the holidays are sometimes on the same day in both Orthodox Christian and Christian, they are not always on the same date.
Michelle Rinehart Luchau
4:44 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Santa Claus is NOT a relious symbol! Give me a break already.
Michelle Rinehart Luchau
4:45 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Religious*
julie
5:00 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
when did santa claus start to represent one religion????????
Nanjac
5:00 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Santa DOES NOT represent any religion to kids.
julie
5:02 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
agree nanjac.....i worded that wrong sorry
Amy Faucher
5:08 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Why does a school need to have a Santa Claus photo op anyway? There are plenty of other "santa" opportunities in town (for free). Events such as this just take away educational time where our children could be learning something. Sorry to be such a scrooge, but as a parent I hate that there are so many holiday events at school this time of year. The kids are already too hyped up. Focus on keeping the learning going during the month of December instead of just adding to the holiday hype.
Grafix Avenger
5:49 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
You're not a Scrooge. Honest to G-d, never heard of a Santa showing up at a school- didn't happen in all my years at NYC public schools. And he doesn't go to Wallace where my kid attends.
Kelly Clark Campbell
6:08 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Amy, you said it right..."The kids are already too hyped up." Thus, learning doesn't happen in the traditional sense. Teachers HAVE to get creative this time of year (and at the end of the year). Celebrations are an easy way to keep children from getting into trouble. And if the teacher does what they need to before the break, why can't they celebrate a little?
jill
8:47 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Amy you are right and you are wrong. Without school to make a big deal of holidays, many kids would not know of holidays (another word for our culture). Think of the tie the little ones make for Dad on Father's day and theThanksgiving turkey decoration made from the hand. These activities are an important learning opportunity for the little kids.
PeoplePlease
5:27 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Lighten up Amy...it's an elementary school. These kids are 7, 8, 9 years old and it's Christmas time. There is a lot more to learning than sitting in a classroom doing long division problems over and over.
Joseph Spencer
1:19 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Most schools do nothing the last week before Christmas they stay in session just to collect the money from the feds.
Grafix Avenger
5:29 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Ugh. This has the makings of a dumb FOX news controversy. And a nice way to get folks angry at Jews because one of my peep's panties were 3 sizes too small.
I went to a NYC public school- Santa doesn't visit those. If he did, I would have asked him to deliver toys to houses that didn't have Christmas trees too. Perhaps the culture can change? Maybe when that happens there won't be an issue with kids feeling left out. But alas, the charming chubby squeezes down the chimney and stuffs toys under the tree. Ah, well.
Please Santa, my chimney's sealed up- it's a death trap. I'll leave your milk and cookies outside.
Tolerance is what it's all about. You want to know my opinion? Of course you don't.
I think Santas are terrific at the mall, at Macy's, etc. In school? Not so much. Unless they want to teach a class. How about geography? Kids don't get enough of that. Santa could teach them about riding the Jet Stream to make better time on toy delivery. The kids could plot out a route for Santa's sleigh and accidentally learn something. The names of countries, their capitals, the oceans Santa has to fly over... how's that for an idea?
Folks need to lighten up. The skinny guy in a fat suit wearing make-up and a fake beard makes kids happy. If he taught my kid a few things (other than coveting a particular toy or material object) I'd thank him.
Peace and Joy to the world.
Frank
7:28 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
I was really getting a lot of input from both sides...enjoying the debate. Then I read your comment and had to stop when I read "peeps". Do you really not know how to speak English? Were you "born in da hood"? When you post a comment like that, you show your ignorance, lack of education and low level of intelligence. If you want to be taken seriously, learn the language of scholars, not drug dealers.
InfotainMe
7:41 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Blow it out your derriere.
Grafix Avenger
8:04 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Oh, so you're 'Frank' today. I realize this topic brings out your inner white-robed, white-hooded self, but should you visit one of those "drug dealers" in "da hood" you speak of, perhaps they can 'prescribe' something for you.
Laura Siegel
9:31 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
GA -- I usually agree with you. I've got to respectfully disagree on this one, though. Santa is not neutral, and folks don't need to "lighten up". I'm glad he makes your kid happy, but to a lot of kids it's just another marker of how their culture or religion is not the one encouraged or celebrated at their school. Not just Jews, of course. (How much time schools should be spending on any of this is a whole other educational question...)
Hoopster
11:29 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
GA
So because YOU don't like Santa because he didn't come to your school or your house, no one else should enjoy Santa.
You preach tolerance yet your entire rant is intolerant as were the actions of the mother who objected to Santa being at the school. You have no problem with the fact that she ruined the day for a large number of children just so her little precious didn't feel left out.
So bottom line, it's ok for one of your "peeps" to be intolerant but the rest of us should be tolerant. Why is it you and yours are so special and the rest of us are not? Get into the Christmas spirit, it might make your life less miserable.
Grafix Avenger
6:44 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Laura, I don't disagree with anything you've said. Santa makes the kids who celebrate Christmas happy, othes- not so much. I'm trying to be delicate here.
Al, you are a fake. A politcal operative here to make trouble. I don't banter with fakes. You ae a liar, I said none of that. Get lost.
Nanjac
5:42 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
We are living in world that is falling apart, and people find time to complain about Santa visiting some kids. Whty can't people complain to our government our economy or job issues.......things that are important to the AMERICA and the AMERICAN PEOPLE? We are living in a world of GREED, perhaps some that are writing on here are part of the rich or are GREEDY, I don't know and I don't care. But I would say a lot people on the internet are people wondering how long they will be able to stay connected, prices keep going up. Does anyone care about what is going on in America? Enjoy Christmas and Pray for a better year to come.
bgarrett
5:45 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Wake up people...Santa and kwanzaa are not religious. Why do we let the few dictate to the many? I am a teacher and I know first hand how this works. A few parents get on a band wagon and everything that has no cult, religous or secular meaning becomes an issue and kids are the ones that suffer. When you think of your fondest memories of school...you think of the holidays: Christmas, Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's Day, Easter, Mother's and Father's Day. Wake Up People! Teachers and students just want to have some fun. They all work hard and a little party or a fun activity doesn't hurt anyone.
leafy
5:56 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
What is non-religious about St. Nicholas? Just asking...
Monique McMahon Shealy
6:04 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
How IGNORANT of this one parent to think that everyone in this country feels the same way as him! Although a melting pot of many religons and nationalities, this country's majority is still Christian. I have no problems with you celebrating your holiday, in fact, I grew up on Long Island....I was probably in temple more then church as a child...and by no means do I feel this person has the right to take it away from those who enjoy it! Lighten up! It is Santa for crying out loud...It isn't like they took the statue of Jesus out and started praying to it!!! If you have a problem with the Freedoms of this country, do me a favor and take advantage of one of your rights....the right to leave it!!
Hank
6:07 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
This is discusting. Santa has been part of the holiday season for hundreds of years. Part of the tridition in the USA since before there was a USA. I am sick of all these religious hipocrits. Santa has nothing to do with christians. He is just a made up guy to make kids feel good. As usual the only people getting hurt here are the kids thanks to their bigotted parents and cowardly school. It is a damn shame when the minority constantly wins because every one is afraid to stand up to them.
Sandi Couch Mcinnish
6:08 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Here's the fundamental problem with all of the moaners and groaners, instead of proactively comunicating BEFORE an event commences, they would rather sit back and start the finger pointing and the gum flapping. Needless to say if they felt that Christmas was an important event in their religious beliefs they would have planned accordingly instead of always playing the part of the "victim." It's become the over used excuse for cultures and religious groups that demand social acceptance, not by demonstration of same, but by laziness and the inability and unwillingness to accept others the way they themselves want to be accepted. Its the classic oxy moron.
Kim Evans Browning
6:11 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
This is why my kids go to a private christian school, Jesus is why we celebrate Christmas, not santa.
Joseph Spencer
1:21 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
get a life
Monique McMahon Shealy
6:18 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Just letting you know.....
St. Nick was an ordinary man who was very religious and very generous...but I believe this is all based on Folklore from many different cultural histories,,,
Nicholas was famous for his generous gifts to the poor, in particular presenting the three impoverished daughters of a pious Christian with dowries so that they would not have to become prostitutes.[8] He was very religious from an early age and devoted his life entirely to Christianity.
This doesn't mean he REPRESENTS the religion in it's entirety.
MadisonMonroe
6:23 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
While on the phone to the attorney, could they have asked if it's okay to have a Nativity scene option? Now that's Christmas!
CuriousGal
6:31 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Santa Claus is a secular symbol. If Christianity is to be represented, probably best to be depicted by a manger scene. The problem is people think a Christmas Tree and Santa Clause are religious symbols and they simply aren't. Christmas, in a religious sense, is about the birth of Jesus Christ. If that is what is suppose to be represented by having a menorah and a kinara at Calabro- then best to have a manager.
Grafix Avenger
6:31 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Ugh. Getting predictably ugly over here.
HO HO HO.
InfotainMe
6:49 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
That's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.
HMan570
6:33 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
For over two hundred year here in America we have Celabrated Christmas without any problems. Today we have to be politically correct in everything we do, Why? Who started this crap and for what reason. There were no Jews, Chtholics, budist, Hundu or any other reglions in the Country execpt what the Indians had. It was people trying to get out of Europe to pray the way the wanted too. It seems that the manority is now in rule in our country and the masses have no say. We have dirty politicians, who have know balls to stop this crap. I have not heard in a very long time that the majority rules, is this somethng that is not correct either? Get rid of the lawyers and currupt politicians or nothing will ever change.
Rebecca Guertler
7:54 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
you said who start those crap the foreigners started this .
wulfie
8:40 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
would manority rule be rule by the lord and lady of the manor? Are Chtholics from Cthulu? Majority does NOT rule in the US--learn a little history. WE have a Supreme Court to ensure that the majority does not stop over the rights of anyone (READ ANYONE) not in the majority.
Enough
6:45 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
How about a Festivus Pole?
Joe
6:48 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
I hate how we have to change our Holidays for idiots who find a problem with them. We should not have to change our ways to make other happy. I don't care if i offend someone they can kiss my ass if they don't like my beliefs.
wulfie
8:36 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
"OUR" holidays??? Who may I ask is the "OUR" to which you refer? Ah, as oppsed to "THEM" I suppose??? I think this is all hokum, however, you are a terribly and frighteningly bigoted person
Bill Simmons
6:49 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Since many different government entities, schools, etc. will not allow a Christmas tree to be called that because it might offend some individual, that we now have to call it a "holiday" tree. How about we change the Hanukkah menorah to "Holiday" menorah?
Grafix Avenger
6:54 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Let the Jew-bashing begin!
HO HO HO.
John Taylor
6:55 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
I do not believe that Santa represents Christian faiths. To be a truly interfaith event, they should also erect a cross for the taking of pictures.
Monique McMahon Shealy
7:21 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
It is not Jew Bashing Grafix!!! It is merely people expressing their rights... Freedom of Speech..... Don't you remember how many people left their countries for Religious Freedom? Well, they should have the right to practice it as should you....
Every religion should be able to practice their beliefs here without scrutiny...
As you can see here, many Christians feel they can not enjoy their holiday because it might offend someone... Your religion may practice one thing and someone else's practice something else... We need to grow up and stop being offended. It is childish!!!!
Grafix Avenger
7:52 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Holding all of ONE group responsible for the actions of ONE... and assuming all of one group speak with one voice that chooses a Christmas tree to be a 'holiday' tree and a 'menorah' to be a holiday lamp is absolute stupidity. Christmas is Christmas. Hanukkah is Hanukkah. Ramadan is Ramadan.
And a 'majority rules' mindset is what drove the Founding Fathers out of England. What some here are expressing.
Yes, our founding fathers came here to escape the concept of one, predominant religion. They were Deists- they relied on reason and observation, over biblical verse. That is fact.
Nowhere in the Constitution is religion mentioned, except in exclusionary terms. When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had.
There you go, y'all. Now relax. HO HO HO.
David Smith
11:27 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Ramadan, Eid ul Fitr, and Eid ul Adha: This year's holiday season finds itself sandwiched by two Islamic holidays: Eid ul Fitr, which marks the end of Ramadan, and Eid ul Adha, which culminates the end of Hajj. Ramadan, a month-long time of dawn-to-dusk fasting, prayer, self-improvement and reflection, began this year in late September. Ramadan culminates in the celebration of Eid ul Fitr, when families and friends gather for feasts and good company.
Read more: http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2000/12/A-Multifaith-Gift-Giving-Guide.aspx?p=3#ixzz1h5ox1L1h
John Wilson
7:24 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Kwanzaa is NOT a religion!!! School bends tradition for one single Jewish parent..OMG what is this world coming to. Hanukkah is not even the most important Jewish holiday.
I wonder if the school has any Muslim or Buddhist kids? I'm getting tired of everyone bending over backwards to small minorities. Last time I checked Christmas was a National Holiday for everyone in this country.
Merry Christmas to All. Givem hell Santa.
Joseph Spencer
1:23 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
The MAJORITY of americans are christians if the manority does not like this get out.
David Smith
11:58 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Joseph the fact that the majority of Americans are Christian is irrelevant. The majority doesn't rule in America. However, this parent showed poor judgement on several levels. Waiting so long to make a complaint is just the first of their poor judgements.
John Wilson
7:25 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Kwanzaa is NOT a religion!!! School bends tradition for one single Jewish parent..OMG what is this world coming to. Hanukkah is not even the most important Jewish holiday.
I wonder if the school has any Muslim or Buddhist kids? I'm getting tired of everyone bending over backwards to small minorities. Last time I checked Christmas was a National Holiday for everyone in this country.
Merry Christmas to All. Givem hell Santa.
Mary Ellis
7:27 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
When I was a kid Santa showed up at an afterschool event , not during school. People had the choice whether they wanted to attend or not. Having said that , let me also say , Christians celebrate Jesus on Christmas , NOT Santa Claus. He is NOT a Religious figure. He is no more a religious figure than the Easter bunny or the tooth fairy. He was "invented" to celebrate children (non denominational) to allow familes to celebrate each other. How 1 parent could ruin it was an abomination and unfair to the kids assembled waiting with excitement to see Santa. By the way , the school had to give in because of the way people sue so frivolously sue these days. Shame on you Scrooge.
wulfie
8:33 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
SANTA is SAINT. nimrod. He IS a religious figure since a saint is (as most of us get) a part of some christian/orthodox greek or simialr rotted in Xtianity religion. HE is not MADE UP anymore than is St Joan, ST Jude, or St Peter.
David Smith
12:18 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Wulfie, St Nick and Santa Claus aka Kris Kringle have not been considered the same for quite some time. __________ fill in stupid name of your choice you earned it.
lpowellg
7:29 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
my view on the holiday tree. when people say happy holidays to you, they usually mean it to include thanksgiving, christmas, and new year. for thanksgiving, it's usually celebrated with family and friends and a thanksgiving dinner. ( no thanksgiving tree). for christmas, it's usually celebrated with family and friends and a christmas tree. new years is usually celebrated with family and friends and parties/ (no new years tree). the tree is a symbol of christmas. no other holiday. to those who are upset to hear it called a christmas tree? kiss my butt. to all others, i hope you all have a very merry christmas.
Redrider765
7:40 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Here is a thought. Next year make every parent sign a permission slip so they can attend this event that will include some reference to the various holidays that happen this time of year and might offend their sensibilities. Parents who wish to be sticks in the mud can opt to not give permission for their child to enjoy this event and their child can go sit in the principal's office. Problem solved.
Geri
7:46 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
It's a Santa Claus people, he has been around and celebrated for many years. Get over it already and let others enjoy him. If you can't handle being out in public at CHRISTMAS time, then by all means keep your sorry butt at home where it belongs. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.
old Swaby
8:04 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Geri: Good comment and 100% correct.....
cassandra
8:12 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Tolerance? It is disappearing fast in Hoboken.
Redrider765
8:38 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
I think most honest people can agree that no tolerance should ever be had for liars, thieves or cheats. Wouldn't you agree?
cassandra
8:46 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Redrider765
8:59 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
You don't see me playing Russian Roulette w/ the hospital and 1300 jobs and I've never been caught on tape trying to sell the city out to some developer who turned out to be an FBI informant. Sorry, but when it comes to being a lying, cheating and corrupt politician, I am sin free. I'll plan on casting tons of stones at people who do things like that. But not surprised at your tolerance for such unethical individuals.
PeoplePlease
9:00 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
That is because you are not important. You are just a blog troll who shills in the name of shilling.
wulfie
8:30 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
next year they should offer the kids the opportunity to get a holiday photo with Mickey Rourke
cassandra
8:48 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
My comment about casting a stone is my respone to redriders question.
Paul Denton
8:58 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Actually Santa Claus has nothing to do with religion ,the bible doesn't submit to it/him .
St Nick was not really a saint he was an older person that loved kids and gave presents to them in his area .And if you want to be wrong and say it goes with christian principals than why would Jewish or other religions want to be involved in any way with it.Just some person that wants there own way ,a minrity ,that the majority bucles under to them
cassandra
9:11 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Red
Stick to the issue at hand.
Redrider765
10:24 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
The issue is tolerance. Some of us have no tolerance for some of the things you tolerate. Not even Santa tolerates that sort of stuff and he is a rather forgiving fellow.
Laura Siegel
9:16 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
First, I find the tone of these comments to be incredibly disturbing, and they really make me rethink how well I know my own community.
Second, I think there is a misunderstanding here of a) the role of religious celebrations in public school, and b) how children perceive religious and cultural symbols -- not how adults who understand the deeper historical and religious significance perceive them. Young children are very concrete thinkers. They do not make these fine distinctions.
Pictures with Santa sponsored by a school are problematic for two main reasons:
1. It puts some children in an uncomfortable position where they are made to
feel excluded and different from their peers if they don't participate. Children are going to feel the pressure when they see other children participating. They are going to be highly aware that distinctions are being made among different "kinds" of children.
2. It creates the perception that the public school (and thus the state) is
sponsoring a religious event. Santa Claus is part of Christmas -- not a secular
figure. I'm sorry, those of you who say that to religious Christians, he is not a religious symbol. But to non-Christians, Santa is Christian -- and we are talking about non-Christian children here, and their participation and inclusion in a school community.
Anthony
10:52 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Hi "One Jewish Parent" I was wondering when you would show up and defend yourself. This isn't an establishment clause scenario, no matter how hard you attempt to turn it into one. Thanks for ruining a good thing for dozens of little kids this year!! Asshole.
cassandra
12:24 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
What is your view on the Chanukah party to be be held inside City Hall on December 22?
Redrider765
8:51 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Cassandra, I say mazel tov & gut yontiff.
Redrider765
9:01 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Laura - that parent who complained about Santa did a much better job of making her child feel excluded than having Santa show up. Her child will now forever be known as the one who ruined the whole darn thing.
Kiri
10:35 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
You're right about one thing, Laura. Children don't make these distinctions unless we teach them to. Maybe we should quit that.
Please do not act like you speak for all non Christians. There are many who see Santa as a religious figure, but there are also many who do not--and some of those are Christian. For myself, I'm not Christian and I love Santa. My child loves him too. I think it's a little weird that he comes to a public school, but I don't have a problem with it. If there were a menorah and a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and some symbols for all the other religions (including a nativity scene) I'd feel even happier about it, but this wasn't a religious event.
I'd like to extend my thanks to those parents who taught their kids the true meaning of the holiday season by putting their egos and political agendas in the way of a simple, fun event that all the children were invited to enjoy together. Because we can't have that!
David Smith
12:30 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
So even if Christians think and know Santa Claus isn't a religious figure it should be excluded. Not sure why my thinking and knowledge don't count but your perceptions count more. I agree that exclusion is wrong but when it's self imposed doesn't it become your problem? Moreover, did this parent have to wait until the guy was walking in the door. What about their responsibility to know what goes on in the school or are we supposed to forget that little fact. Poor judgement.
Kevin
11:14 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
so...because non-Christians have their facts screwed up about Santa being Christian or not...that means the "state" is sponsoring a religious event by having kids who signed a permission slip to get their picture taken with Santa? Why didn't the parent complain when they got the permission slip in the first place?
Lots of things put children in uncomfortable positions where they feel excluded. basketball, soccer, gym class, not being the smartest math student. How are we solving all of those?
It's sad that one parent put their priorities over the feelings over many children, all because they can't simply explain to their kid what Christmas is. If the kid felt left out, let the kid have a picture with santa. Here's an interesting read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sarah-khan/santa-claus-is-coming-to-_b_1152566.html
Redrider765
11:27 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Kevin - don't give them any ideas or they'll ban dodgeball and other sports next.
Bob
9:34 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
This is exactly why my girls go to a Catholic grade school. Just attended a great Christmas Show in a Church where they had a Christmas Tree and sang real Christmas Songs!
DoggieMom
9:41 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
I thought Santa was an all-inclusive kinda guy! A minorah or kinara can't put gifts under the tree like Santa can. How fun is that??
Melissa
9:45 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Listen LOUD AND CLEAR people, Santa Claus, Christmas, and all of it's associated traditions are NEVER GOING AWAY. So if you don't like it, and you want to celebrate something else, and you want to raise hell for the rest of us, do us all a favor, and go somewhere else, K? These schools are too scared to stand up to these crybabies who want Santa to leave and just say, if you don't like it, leave. So let 'em take u to court. We need people with spines to stand up and say we're not taking this garbage anymore. We're all so terrified what others think. Stand up for what you believe in, and by the way, I don't say Happy Holidays, I say MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
JF
3:38 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Well said Melissa ! Merry Christmas to you and your family....and to all Jews, Arabs, Africans, Buddists and any other cultures/faiths/religions out there that I have missed; Happy Holidays in what ever shape and form that might take, and Peace in 2012!! Hopefully, Health, Hope and Happiness touches all our lives next year!
Charles Schwartz
9:57 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
I thought Kwanzaa was not supposed to be a religious celebration.
Connie
11:19 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011
Go back to New York, and leave my Santa alone, like everything else, there always has to be an angle, BIG CLUE - This is Christmas, not a made up day, it was Christmas years ago and it will still be Christmas for many years to come. So as it says on a pin I wear this time of year "IT's OK TO SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ME"...
skylerzx
1:14 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
I was kind of sad to read that this was not a drunk Santa asked to leave...What's this world coming to?
CuriousGal
1:22 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
"E pluribus unum" (out of many, one) -- It seems to be without much credible debate that Christmas is part of American secular life. Be it the Macy's Day Parade, Black Friday, hundreds of movies, thousands of seasonal songs, the impact on the business sector of the Christmas shopping season, a federal holiday, annual television specials and numerous commercials and products depicting symbols such as wreaths, trees, lights, elves, reindeer, lights, snow, and ...Santa Claus. Sorry-- Santa is not St. Nicholas, he's not Jesus Christ, he's not mentioned in the New or Old Testament. In short, he's as religious as The Grinch, Rudolph, or Frosty the Snowman. Coca-Cola made him the most popular advertising figure for the first half of the 20th Century.
In 1989, County of Allegheny v. ACLU case found the public display of menorot and Christmas trees were not endorsements of the Jewish or Christian faith, rather the two items are part of the same winter-holiday season, which the court found, had attained a secular status in U.S. society (again, think out of many, one). My guess is the Supreme Court would find Santa to be as secular as a Christmas tree.
I have much more issue with children paying $1 to take a picture with Santa then whether Santa should come visit the school as part of a holiday celebration. regardless of the well intentions of the charity.
JF
3:14 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
No Lawyers allowed. Do I hear another infomercial advertising a Class Action Suit in the midst? Call 1-800-HOHOONO Now!
Mike Barnett
1:49 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Ah, yes....Political Correctness at its best! Now, where in the H--- has this "Jewish" Woman been for the last 5 years that this has been going on? Sure is funny how people can get excited all of a sudden when in the past, they never said a word. Oh......Don't foget to bring the camel with Omar and the Quran too!
JF
3:06 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Wow! It's the time of year to take a breath, enjoy family, and be thankful for your health, regardless of your faith/religion. Lighten up! By the way, "Festivas, for the rest of us". (Frank Costanza). Get your pole now, and ride it into the holiday season :)
Randy Scott
5:17 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
What has happened to people these days that has made them so whiney? They whine about everything! This isn't the way 'I' want it! That isn't the way 'I' want it! Oh and that over there, and you over there, 'I' don't like you doing that! It ALL hurts my feeeeeelings..... If I don't get my way I'm going to stomp my feet!!!!
Are these the kind of adults that were produced by not being able to discipline them when they were young? Or from giving them trophies even when they lost? Or always sticking up for them when they got in a fight so they never learned how to handle a disagreement? Or from never saying no to them? Or all of the above? Maybe we should take a few steps back and re-evaluate what people think is the right thing to do, because somewhere down the line these people learned the wrong thing somehow.
susan
5:37 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
I'm Jewish and I think that parent is a schmuck!! Let the kids have some fun with Santa..Big Deal...Sounds like a bitter, miserable person..If you are not of the faith, you can choose not to participate but don't ruin everyone else's fun..If they had a problem with it they could have mentioned to the Principal in private after the festivities, "hey not everyone in the district is Catholic, do you think next event planned like this, we can try to incorporate all religions ?"
David Smith
6:30 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Why is it people always have to start complaining at the last minute. Was this mothers head in the sand the entire time and then she just miraculously found out Santa was going to be there. How many other parents out there knew weeks ahead of time that this would happen but this mother just so happens to find out a few minutes before Santa is going to walk in the door. People really shouldn't use their religion to make other miserable.
InfotainMe
7:12 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Other great Christmas traditions from the great David Sedaris.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCUHTDrca4s
phintonsr
9:21 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
The tradition/notion of a "Father Christmas" figure has been a tradition in the Connecticut/New York/Delaware region since the Dutch settled New Amsterdam more than 400 years ago. If another "Tradition" wishes to celebrate in its particular way, it should be be honored. However, to insist that "Santa" be sent away the day of aplanned activity just seems silly disrespectful. and hurtful to the chiildren anticipating the planned event. Where are the adults?
Kiri
9:54 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Where are the adults? At home in front of a mirror, practicing their sense of entitlement.
Santaself
5:07 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
I have never in my life been more disheartened and discouraged by the tone of discourse as this situation has bred. The example that is being set for the children of Hoboken is appalling. Instead of teaching negotiation, generosity, compromise and above all charity to neighbors, they are seeing the adults in their community being bigoted, small-minded, mean-spirited and thoroughly reprehensible. If this situation was not handled well, then look at how it can be handled better next year. Meanwhile, our country and many of our neighbors lack jobs and money this holiday season. Instead of fighting over the presence of a mythological figure, show some real "Santa" spirit, and make a donation or contribute your time to the community and teach your children to do the same. I suspect that the "real" Saint Nicholas, who practiced charity by donating dowries to needy young women, would not know what to make of the lack of love in this community, this year.
Hobbs
5:20 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Happy Hanukkah to all my Jewish friends. :-)