You can't vote for them, right Scott? And the other foreigners and people who don't live in hoboken in the pix aren't going to vote either, right?
And don't forget this is a photo supplied by kids first so you think they would send one into patch that has people who aren't the candidates or their kids or non-voters or the usual suspects like phil cohen who never would send his kids to public school in hoboken.

Welcome back Everyshade. The last time we left off, this was the exchange:

YOU: "google 10r and the only thing that comes up is links to your post. try the state dept of ed and nothing comes up. what the heck is 10r? you make up stuff and then all the rest swear to it."

ME: "You're right, 10r doesn't really show... In order to find it, you need to search for retained 10th graders.

http://futureofchildren.org/publications/journals/article/index.xml?journalid=30&articleid=38&sectionid=87

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/District_Dossier/2012/06/texas_superintendent_admits_to.html

http://epa.sagepub.com/content/30/2/75.short

Whoops, guess maybe it is a thing...
"

You...disappeared for almost a week. Care to reply to your accusations now?

You would have needed 2 cameras with wide angle lenses to capture the overflowing crowd.

Scott

Are you currently a resident of Hoboken?

Read my tag line:
http://hoboken.patch.com/

Michael Russo, Did He Or Didn't He?

By Scott M. Siegel | Monday, September 24 | 4 comments

Moved to Hoboken in 1985
I moved to Hoboken in 1985. Although I recently moved from Hoboken this blog is still my take on local politics.

Recallbethmason i never said to vote for anyone.All i ask was about the hoboken board of Education and a theacher being paid for 72 days not going to class to teach and the teacher was paid so why would vot for Ruthy. i would not Vote for a Pupi or popo.

duh, I looked at the photos. some people in the photo don't live in hoboken or can't vote because they are not citizens. ask around scott.

This list of names shows up to every fundraiser or event the Zimmer side has. I don't see one new face in the lit of names or the pictures. As mentioned previously, this is a tough win for Kids First.

Your definition of right must be...

Adjective
Not correct or true.
Adverb
In an unsuitable or undesirable manner or direction: "what am I doing wrong?".
Noun
An unjust, dishonest, or immoral action.
Verb
Act unjustly or dishonestly toward (someone): "the people I have wronged".
Synonyms
adjective. incorrect - erroneous - mistaken - false - improper - bad
adverb. amiss - wrongly - mistakenly - incorrectly - badly
noun. injustice - harm - fault - evil - error - iniquity
verb. injure - harm

Prove they did not exist.

10r means 10th grade retained- there would also be 8r, 9r etc...so YES, there is a 10r
PD gave you the definition and the numbers of missing 11th graders to back it up- If you choose to live in denial, that is your perogative-Your buddies chose that route and it worked quite well for THEM, for a while- not so much for the kids, though.

11th graders (in most districts) take HSPA- I think we can agree that an 11th grader has been in school since Kindergarten. Toback started about a year or so ago-Ironically, a few months AFTER the HSPA test was taken. Are you somehow suggesting that Toback be held responsible for the 12 years of education before he started?

Are you really that ignorant regarding educational issues?

So much for that screen names credibility, let's move on to the next...

And to make it abundantly clear, I don't owe you an apology because you failed at googling something. Generally academic journals won't use abbreviations, unlike message boards.

Now, do you believe current graduates would be affected by their whole time in the system or just the last few hours before graduation? I would think failure in the first 10 years while rome was burning under steak dinners would be tough to make up in the last two.

From the New Jersey Department of Education website:
Performance By Demographic Groups
• Grade R12
•Grade 12
•Grade R11

LOL everyshade of negativity you sound like a very curious gal. :-)

Hoboken's BOE deserves better than the likes of Liz "Pupie" Markevitch and her crew as front people for the OLD GUARD politicos .

Mr. Siegel- the attendance percentages you are referencing are not statistically significant and are well within the range of normal variation. Trying to portray an attendance rate of 93.6% and 94.91% as being statistically different AND due to some intervention by the political group you seem to support is ill informed at best and misleading at worst.

Passkey, are we sure about that? Do you have standard deviations from the past 30 years so we can test that hypothesis? I agree that each one looks low, but given that you know statistics, you know that if a large number of uncorrelated items move in the same direction, this can be used as evidence as well, and can be telling even if the changes are much smaller.

Mr. Siegel- if you allow me, I would like to inform the casual person reading your post that these test scores you are referencing are internal tests produced by Scholastic Co. and are not the state and federal mandated NJ ASK tests for reading and mathematics that must be administered and reported.

The scores you are presenting are formative but are not the NJ ASK scores. Portraying them as such is ill informed at best and misleading at worst.

What type of mathematics are you using that a change in percentage from 22% to 30% (Proficient 22% 30% +136%) considered a +136% improvement?

Mr. Siegel- Let's be clear, the scores you are referencing are internal reading and math tests intended for formative assessment and NOT the state mandated testing (NJASK) that is conducted yearly by state and federal law. Fundamentally different assessments with very different purposes.

Second, as has been pointed out pretty articulately, there were gross miscalculations in The Hoboken Public Schools District Progress Report NO 3. that you are referencing.

Portraying the Scholastic Reading Inventory (SRI) scores you reference as indicating any type of growth or advance in state and federal test scores is ill informed at best and misleading at worst.

I would encourage those who seek a clear and thoughtful explanation on this topic to take a look at the following url: http://tinyurl.com/9to2h4g

Hard to trust a source who has a financial interest in removing Kids First from power.

Looks like the forces behind Dr. Petrosino are back. Move Forward slate is elected would likely get rid of Toback and bring back Dr. Petrosino who worked part time from Texas at $144k per year and worked almost a year without a contract and is a Pupie Raia ally.

If you think Dr. Toback was not a wise choice and want to replace him with a part timer that took $144k from Hoboken while double dipping in Texas and then had the audacity to sue the BOE when his contract was up (and lose) be my guest. Otherwise Kids First is the best choice.

Funny you should say that RG- That happens to be one of their 3 goals. How did they phrase it??? Find bold new voices to lead our schools?

Reformerus_Gianticus- Well, let's see...in 2 yrs Dr. Petrosino oversaw the conception, development, editing, and writing of a PreK-12 curriculum (first time in 25+ years) with associated lesson plans, district assessments, and guides. Formed partnerships with the Liberty Science Center, the New Jersey Commission on Holocaust Education, The National Center for History in the Schools (NCHS) , the Hoboken Historical Museum, National Geographic Geography Standards, The Presidential Library Project, The Hoboken Library, and Stevens Institute. Brought into the district Tools of the Mind, Read 180, SRI (online reading inventory), Expanded John Hopkins Program, Revamped Saturday U program, oversaw technology plan for district, led QSAC effort in Curriculum and Program, oversaw 8000+ hrs of professional development for 80 + district teachers, updated public regularly on progress of curriculum, met regularly with Trenton to assure compliance, oversaw NCLB compliance, brought LitLife into the district (early literacy program), as well as coordinated "Backward Design" training, other activities including regular visits to the schools, meetings with supervisors, principals and provided Board with full implementation plan. In addition he gave invited lectures at Harvard, University of Michigan, Rutgers, and the National Science Foundation dealing with the work in Hoboken. And all this while you claim he worked "half time"??? LMAO--

Passkey,

Are you claiming that Dr. Petrosino worked full time for the Hoboken Board of Ed? Based on his statements under oath from the lawsuit which he lost, he maintained a home in Texas, has a Texas drivers license, and a paid position with the University of Texas. That doesn't sound like someone who worked full time in Hoboken, NJ to me, no matter what accomplishments were completed. LMAO indeed.

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/03/texas-budinsky.html

Interesting Mr. Passkey,

You say you "oversaw", you "formed" a partnership, you "met",you "led" an effort and you "gave" lectures (at universities).

All very Interesting verbs.

A few missing verbs, i noticed:
implemented
modeled
completed
created
conducted
developed
wrote
adhered
followed through

I say potato, You say pattahto....

I wonder if a few years back Liz Markevitch thought she would sink so low as to be a a frontwoman for the OLD GUARD politicos.

You know they don't give their machine vote away for free.they always exact a high price.

anyone got that link that shows Dawn Zimmer campaigning in an elevator with Pupie?

It takes so little to make you little dweebs happy. Which is good because you're going to lose the election, so making up little stories about talking to the owner of the, um, Turlet Club(?), will have to be your comforts this winter.

check out the candidate websites:

https://www.facebook.com/KidsFirstHoboken

https://www.facebook.com/moveforward.hoboken

http://hoboken.k12.nj.us/hoboken/Recent%20News/Summer%202012%20Newsletter.pdf

pied piper-- care to comment on the error of the data reported for the SRI and SMI? Was it incompetence or deliberately misleading?
http://tinyurl.com/9to2h4g

Mr Passkey,
Your "report" is riddled with inaccuracies:for one, the state no longer uses NCLB as a benchmark.
The STATE'S average is 65% passing for elementary and middle school- a quick fact you leave out.
Further, if you are going to incorrectly use NCLB (as you did) then you also leave out the fact that the ENTIRE STATE FAILED NCLB.
YET, some how the state is ranked #2 in the nation. How could a system be #2 and failing, it's own chosen test, at the same time?

Scott Siegel posted the following data earlier this morning: "Proficient 22% 30% +136% ; Basic 26% 22% -level"

Would the gentleman like to explain how going from 22% to 30% represents a + 136% increase but going down from 26% to 22% represents "level"? The former is a 6% point increase while the later is a 4% decrease. What mathematics is the gentleman using that shows a 6 percentage point increase is a 136% rise but a 4 percentage point drop is "level"???

May I suggest the gentleman review his numbers and that he may suggest the same to his political organization, Kids First, who also published similar bad data and has refused to retract in the summer district newsletter???

http://hoboken.k12.nj.us/hoboken/Recent%20News/Summer%202012%20Newsletter.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/9to2h4g

When you do changes in percentages, you usually use the relative change, as a move from 1% to 5% (400%) is considered larger than one from 80% to 84% (5%). This is apt, because a % represents a number of students.

With that said, there is some math clearly off in that book, which I have formerly pointed out as 110% of students are in the math section. With that said, the results are pretty startling growth.

Nothing as startling as the magical disappearing number of 10th graders under frank raia previously discussed which renders all test statistics under that administration worthless.

puzzle-- those "magical disappearing number of 10th graders" were also under the leadership of Minutillo, Markle and Gilliard for 3 years and they seemed to be perfectly fine with what was going on.

PassKeySino, why do you and Curiousgal always use tinyurl when you link to YOUR site? Why not use name if you're so proud of it? It's not like you're worried about message size. Come clean.

Curious is kind of quiet these days. The ship that she thought was coming in is sinking off shore. Whattashame.

A minority, with no power to change anything.

I will not vote for anyone who is associated the the cheats who initiated this or watched it go one for almost a decade.

I will fight to insure that the majority is one that will not cook the test scores.

Didn't we already discuss this? How is this failure directly and only related to Kids First when the first 10 years of their education were on another system?

I guess you didnt read the prior post- here it is again-

11th graders (in most districts) take HSPA- I think we can agree that an 11th grader has been in school since Kindergarten. Toback started about a year or so ago-Ironically, a few months AFTER the HSPA test was taken. Are you somehow suggesting that Toback be held responsible for the 12 years of education before he started?

Are you really that ignorant regarding educational issues?

Didn't interim superintendent Peter Carter guarantee that test scores would be raised? Didn't Kids First reappoint him because of that guarantee? Now the claim is it takes 12 years to raise test scores? You are spinning your way farther and farther away from any form of credibility whatsoever.

Mr Passkey,
You bring up an interesting issue. The department of education files indicate that at one point there were 2 high schools. One named "Demarest" and one named "Hoboken". It showed that 60% of the "Demarest" students "failed" the HSPA test conversly only 18% of the "Hoboken" students failed HSPA. Then in 2010 it only showed "Hoboken". I have just a few questions:
Does anyone know what happened to the "Demarest" school?
Does anyone know where their students were placed?
Why is there a "Y" under the Special Needs line only for the Hoboken Town and not so for most all of the other towns listed in it's category?
Also, comparing prior years data, it shows wide discrepencies of student population numbers: some prior years in the "Hoboken" school there were only 88 students taking a test and last year (for example) there were 146 kids taking a test. Can someone explain this discrepency?

Ahem...looks like lots of "big connections" in Union County. Asst to the Mayor in Elizabeth, lots of appointments by the mayor and governor...

new comer - you say? Must not be the same felice Vazquez.

Felice K. Vazquez, Esq. Felice K. Vazquez is a member of the Corporate Law Department with the Weiner Lesniak Law Firm. She specializes in the areas of Redevelopment, tax abatements, planning and zoning, intergovernmental relations, public-private partnerships, project financing and government approvals. Prior to joining the firm, she held several titles in her employment with the City of Elizabeth, including Legislative Aid to the Mayor and Asst. Director of Planning and Community Development heading the Economic Development, Public Information and Constituent Services divisions. During this time, she also served as the Mayor's designee on: the Elizabeth Planning Board, the New York/New Jersey Comprehensive Port Improvement Commission and the New York/New Jersey Harbor Estuary Commission. In 2002, she was appointed by the Governor to serve as a Commissioner of the Board for the New Jersey Education Facilities Authority.

Taxes up? Sounds awfully familiar. I recall a recent board member who just could not wrap her head around the interplay of the tax levy, total city valuation, and tax rate. Others have tried to educate her without success, so I won't bother, particularly when it's obvious that this person won't let facts get in the way of her agenda.

Even if I agreed that kids first was failing, I fail to look at a ticket run by Raia and Russo's former treasurer who conveniently failed to file Elec reports as representing reform. The audit and "retained 10th graders" (not using 10R so everyshade doesn't freak) show how deep the fraud that was the old BoE was run, and it may take a full student cycle of over 10 years to finally bring these students back to having a chance. If this were a question of educational philosophy, I may be singing a different tune, but this is a question of overcoming a group that has allied itself with dishonest people, like Beth M., Frank R., John and Terry C., and uses dishonest tactics like the WSJ post which has little to do with educational quality, using "Hoboken BOE" as an email header, and the facebook friend trick.

It's certainly no surprise that those spending their time on "Move Forward" here on patch are old guard stalwarts and Real Results apologists FrankSinatra and Passkey, and a few popup names, while those who have a long history of posting against corruption in this town are not changing tunes.