Well the people who let the B&G club get marginalized in their own building are quite the shady bunch. Shady people do shady things.

Well, I am not going to perjorative terms here, but one might hope that if subleasing was going on near the periphery of terms of the lease agreement, that the record keeping would want to be impeccable and ready to produce on less than 60 days notice, which has been exceeded at this point. Of course, easier said than done, but now at best it doesn't look as professional as it might otherwise, and failure to produce said documentation seems consistent with the need for further scrutiny.

Sounds like she wants them to obey their lease. The lease is a contract and she is well within her rights (and the taxpayer's) to enforce it. Personally, I'm appalled about what's going on over there and I can't believe anyone, even a mason minion, would defend it. I guess the level you're willing to sink to knows no bounds. Truly disgraceful. Hola is a problem that needs to be fixed ASAP.

You know nothing about the matter. Have you contacted anyone from the boys and girls club?

I've spoken to both Mr. Greenberg and to the director at:
Boys and Girls Club of America
Northeast Service Center
5 Hanover Square, Third Floor
New York, NY 10004-2657
Phone: (212) 377-6440

The relationship between the national organization and BGCHC is more of an association. Meaning that the national organization has limited control over what goes on here.

How does renting space to Zogg help kids?

The fact that this Ms Mason/ Old Guard blogging group went after a fundraiser for fire victims because they couldn't take credit for it pretty much can't help but lead one to believe that they have to comment negatively in general about all but their own no matter what or they don't get compensated. Seems to me there's no other rational explanation.

Its interesting how an imbecile who didn't know that we have elections every november can try to pass themselves off as an expert on everything. seems to me your expertise lies entirely in being an imbecile, something that your very very skilled at.

Zimmer didn't say that, Dim Kim.

The Lessee is renting the Building for $2/year from the City; taxpayers are funding the overhead at 123 Jefferson. Therefore, monies generated by the B&G renting or subleasing their space belong to us- the taxpayer.

Now that I've explained that to you, you may help your FrIENDS at Hoboken411 attack the 300 Washington fundraiser.

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/02/h411-attacks-fundraiser-for-fire.html

Sorry Nancy--- that is EXACTLY what Dawn Zimmer said, ""It’s about making sure the tax dollars are being used for Hoboken residents," she said. The mayor added that she wants to make sure that children from Hoboken, rather than from other towns, benefit from the club's programming and resources."

You are so obtuse it is painful. You just don't get that it is Hoboken tax dollars that the charter school is spending on that sublease of a Hoboken owned building, that the B&G club may or may not be using all that money in Hoboken b/c it is the B&G Club of HUDSON COUNTY that runs the facility in HOBOKEN and they can just as easily redirect those funds to JC b/c money is fungible like that. Plus, why should an organization be making a profit on a building we let them use for next to nothing anyway?

Curious - if the mayor did not act you would claim that she was caving to the elitists of HOLA....please be consistent in your approach - your response clearly shows that you are of the old guard mentality that does not require accountability. My money says several people will be losing their jobs at this location. The sh!t stirring basketball coach may have just cost himself a job if the lease is voided!

We're having an emergency meeting of the Friend of Bet Mazin Committee tonight at the Elysian. After we figure out how to get Pupie out from under the bus and insert Zimmer there, you can sign up to volunteer for my campaign.

P.S. Tim Occhipinti and Scott Delea are temporarily unavailable for comment.
In 2012 and maybe 2013 too so don't ask.

An interesting fight for the mayor to pick....

What is that supposed to be some kind of veiled threat? Because you and hubby are going to spin spin spin this into some kind of attack on underprivileged children? Or because she's going after Raia's turf and, oh, snap, she had Raia's support in 07, never heard that one before.

How are all these spinny spins working out for you? Yeah, the hospital "side deal," that was a big winner, which sadly you probably believe was really the case. You clowns are 0 for like, what is it, 990 at this point? You'd think you'd find something better to do with your time already, like look into Rosanne Barr's diet strategy or something, but no, of course you won't, you'll weave your oh so not-clever narratives and LLLLLLLOOOOOOOOZZZZZE. Might as well get a nice fat "L" tattooed on your face, Loser.

curiousgal gets lamer by the minute. must be the masonic company she keeps. at least she's stickking to one scrren name so far today.

Market value is a concern and the windfall is clearly another extraction from the taxpayers, but the City has a larger issue with the basic violation of the lease by the B&G Club. MSV raised this back in August:

http://www.hobokenhorse.com/2011/08/boys-girls-club-violating-terms-of.html#IDComment179851511

Ask Frank "Pupie" Raia. What did he know and when did he know it?

diddn't outofcontrol notice he is an out of toucch Mason operative spewing hate? ?

Sudden? I don't consider several months ago to be sudden. But a reporter did ask the mayor about it recently so she told you they are looking into it and working on the issue and have been for months. But going back to September, yeah, that isn't sudden. Perhaps you should read the article from now on before spouting off at the mouth with your usual nonsense.

Nice try. Now go help your buddy Perry Klaussen. You better or he might throw you under the bus to save himself. Lame!

paid minions like alan/prosbuss, so predictable

and yet i notice you didn't say that what i said ISNT true...because it is.

Alan/ prosbuss why don't you startt thinking aboutt spin for that big story about the latest problems over on Bet411. poor thing. always kissing up to the wrong people

That's lovely Mr. Liebler. But first we have to arrest all the criminals of the day.
You can visit them in jail and that would be a better place for them to be mayor.

Mason will bid the most money but somehow find a way to come in last. Its what she does all the time.

You are almost as obtuse as that curiously obtuse gal. The city has no agreement w/ anyone but the B&G club. They are the organization the city has a lease with. They are the organization that appears to be in violation of their lease. Use your brain for once in your life.

If Frank Raia were to run against Dawn Zimmer for the next mayoral election I wonder how people would view that video? It seems to pop up every once in a while.
Very interesting video.
For the record: I do not know if Frank is running. I just can't imagine Dawn will run unopposed.

David being that you actually were involved in Frank Raia's campaign for mayor in 2009, why don't you just tell us what you guys thought about using that video? You can watch it many times and there's nothing even remotely illegal said or going on.

Yet you also spoke in front of the City Council last April. On the FBI video with Michael Russo, you saw no problem at all with him telling his Jersey City criminal cohorts to make out the illegal bribe money to "Russo for Hoboken."

You..., you're a funny guy.

Klaussenfluffer (funny name) We didn't use the video. There was no need. Frank and I agreed that we were going to run an issue based - positive campaign and as a gentlemen, that is what Frank did. Ask Dawn, she thanked him later.

I really was just wondering what people's reaction will be once that is aired over and over by whomever during election time. It really is an interesting question. If they ran one-on -one in 13' how would the average voter react? Interesting if nothing else.

Interesting that Mason,Russo & Co ops keep tryiing to get some traction on that years old video that Peter cammerano had made when he was running Chris Campos re-election campaign with most of the "OLD GUARD."

As we all know Frank "Pupie" Raia and his boys is now at war with the Reform movement.

As we know Frank "Pupie" Raia and his boys were vote gathers for Cammerano's mayoral campaign.

As we all know Frank "Pupie" Raia is now alied Mason. Russo & Co and yet they keep trying to use him as dirt to smear others with.

Frank Raia and his boys were gathering votes in the HHA for Occhipinti with Mason's money to become Mason, Russo & Co. extra City Council vote

We all know Frank Raia and his boys is working with Mason, Russo & Co.to try to retake the B.O.E.

Besides Mrs. Mason has hired another video guy "Tim" ( in addition Occhipinti ) to stalk the mayor, her staff and supporters to produce her own attack campaigns.

David, Raia may have run as mayor on the issues but he has been affiliated w/ way too many campaigns that have been run on less savory strategies. A perfect example would be Occhipinti's check writing strategy based campaign.

"a littlle problematic" LOL here's a clue. almost nothing's been rectified... tthere's years of records missing!!!

Nobody from city hall has said anything has been rectified you curiously obtuse gal.

Actually, you are wrong about that Redrider-- the article ends with the quote "Everything has been rectified" and is attributed to Director Greenberg. I'm looking forward to the city and the B&GC reaching an understanding on this issue.

Duh, Greenberg thought everything was rectified all along. Clearly the city disagrees and doesn't consider anything rectified. But you are a little too curiously obtuse to understand that. Go spin away minion.

word is curiouskim is known around the old Guard as "The Bride of mini-Frankenstien". pooor thing

Sounds a bit like other Curiousgal "predictions." She's become the Baghdad Bob of the old guard.

"63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2441917

Presently 466 out of 538 districts with budget elections have switched. In reality-land, where you will never see the husband and wife propaganda team of curiousgal & prosbus-hq, that's 86% making the switch. No, not popular at all, Kim.

Yeah, curiouslyobtusegal looked pretty stupid after all those districts changed their election dates. Still waiting for her to be obtuse enough to claim it is all some sort of grand conspiracy to make her and other people here in Hoboken who were against the change look bad orchestrated by those evil south & central Jersey power brokers they all complain about but never bother to identify.

Maybe because the evil Lesniak was the senate sponsor of the bill that clinched the Pearson deal.

Well we started by moving the BOE elections to November so as to make the elections harder to buy for the group who sees the schools budget as a patronage ATM.

Whatever choices parents chose for their children, is a personal one.
Most parents who research different schools, like the academic programs in the district. In total opposition of your statement, parents of charter school children, who have enrolled their children in the HHS, are thrilled with the curriculum and education.

Controversy, condemnation and rumor is certainly a major turn-off/frustration to many parents- but I am sure you already know that.

I'm a parent of child that will be starting in Hoboken's Pre-school 3 this fall.

I was not interested in any of the charters already here and was going to send my daughter to the regular public school.

As a tech from a family of techs, this curriculum intrigues me, but it is not because I'm running away from Connors, Wallace or Calabro. I would be very happy to send my daughter to Calabro, or one of the others once she is out of kindergarten.

I can also think of many families I know that move away to the burbs because it is darn hard to find a 3 or 4 bedroom place in town.

And to say that the attack on the BG is just politics is just spin.

I'm one of the people that has done more than just complain here I have called and talked to folks in charge at the B&G club.

Hobroken seems to believe that the lease issues, lack of financial records,serving kids kool aid, decrease in staff, programs and hot meals for the boys and girls club is just politics.

Way to look out for the kids!!!

Nothing to see here, right, Hobroken?

Not if the vote buyers keep losing b/c honest voters see them as doing something that is morally bankrupt. Keep calling out the vote buyers for buying votes, keep making honest people aware of who is buying votes and who isn't and I suspect you will see the vote buyers do very poorly at the polls. Nobody likes cheaters.

" I have never been involved in this process and find it a disgusting part of the political climate in Hoboken."

And yet, you worked on Raia's campaign when there was some 700 or so "paid street workers".

Really, David? C'mon!

"Until street money is 100% removed from the Hoboken culture, then buying votes in Hoboken will be business as usual in November and May 2013. "

um...no s^%@, sherlock.

No David November 2013 will be the one to watch!

The boe votes are unanimous for over 95% of the agenda items -

This"political in fighting and back and forth" only started when Biancamano was added to the board and is obviously pure political grandstanding in an attempt to turn the public off.

Bottom line: 95- 99% of every boe agenda is unanimously passed.

Charter schools also give a chance for a specialized curriculum. I'm not convinced that the schools are inherently better. I think smaller schools give the parents a chance to be more involved and feel more in control and feel as if their child is getting more focused attention.

I think any child with involved parents will do fine in Hoboken. The schools do need improvement, especially for students that don't have parents that are going to get involved.

I was high performing special ed student. Because I was doing well, my school didn't want to accommodate my needs. My parents and I fought, I got the accommodations that I needed. Did my grades go up because of those accommodations? I don't think so, but the ratio of time spent banging my head against unnecessary obstacles vs time spent learning went improved.

I went to college on multiple academic scholarships, including a scholarship for a summer at St. Edmund's Hall University of Oxford. Not because my school was great, but because my parents made sure I did well at school.

Parental involvement is very very important.

"The political in fighting and back and forth at the school board must end."

What do you propose to end it?

You going to keep cutting and pasting this post until people respond? Here is the problem w/ the B&G Club facility. We leased the building to the B&G club, not a charter school. Now if the city council & mayor wish to enter into a lease for a charter school to lease some space, I am all for that option being explored, discussed and voted upon. What I am not for is for a few politically connected individuals entering into some sort of sweetheart lease for a charter school on the sly that is possibly in violation of the lease the B&G club has w/ the city that in effect makes the B&G club a second class citizen in a building the city intended to be specifically intended for their use.

Redrider765- save your righteous indignation for someone who can't see behind your bs. The charter school functions between the hours of 8AM-3PM, the period of time when the B&GC is basically empty.

The real issue is Zog Sports who rents the place out nightly and the kids can't use the court. On that, I AGREE with many other people. No place for a FOR PROFIT business in the B&GC.

curriousgirl, no room for for-profit old Guard commmenters either. give it a rest.

Curious Gal HoLa runs an aftercare from 2:30-6pm. There is conflict for space between HoLa and the HBGC kids.

"Aftercare begins at dismissal and remains open until 6:00 PM. The Aftercare program provides students with quiet time for homework, reading, and small group play (board games, puzzles, card games, etc.) as well as opportunities for physical activities and arts and crafts. A snack will also be provided for your child."
http://holahoboken.org/?page_id=196

nice try- I suggest you take a look at the B&GC during the after school hours (3-6pm). There is coordination of rooms and resources and the place is vibrant and full of excited children from all over Hoboken sharing in athletic, recreational, and educational experiences. The reality is most of the Hola after school children are picked up between 4:30-5:00pm and only a very few students remain until 6pm.

So basically Curiouslyobtusegal is admitting the B&G club can't really use their building, only parts of it, until 6 PM. Thanks for in a very oblique way of stating the obvious.

Now I think it is time to either remove HOLA from the premises or force them to cancel all aftercare and after school activities. Those kids can just as easily hang out at the B&G club in the B&G club building and take part in B&C club activities.

curious gal is rumored to blog here for money for the olld Guard and Bet Masin, so take that in account with her distortionss. CG always portrays our town in a negative ligght. why doesn't she move if she is a selllout that hates Hoboken??

Good point, Dastardly Lane. This witch has not one positive thing to say about this community. Never has, never will.

I would be happy to take up a collection if she and her villainous hubby would agree to leave town. I am sure I could raise well into 4 figures. That would pay for a moving van to take them to Pennsylvana or possibly Transylvania.

Sound like a plan?

Oh please, you don't want elections in November b/c turnout will be astronomically high and you are afraid if 30K or so people come out to vote, there is no way in hell you can buy enough votes to cheat your way to victory. Everyone should remember that in November. Everyone should make sure they don't vote for people who are afraid to face the music when over half the adult US citizens in town go to the polls and cast their ballots.

curious gal doesnn't want elections in November so her pals can control the vote by kale and she isnn't sending her kids to school here anyway. she's an elitist. move on curious operattive

"As is often quoted on the blogs." You don't get credit for quoting yourself and your husband.
Of course, if you are right, what you should be pulling out whatever stops you can to increase voter turnout, November elections should thrill you. Why is it that you don't are so afraid of more voters again?

As a proud witch, please don't link that woman to us witches.

Notice how the Kids First bloggers cannot counter the 90% figure with anything other than a few personal attacks. It's all a game of spin and online banter to them but children are really being impacted VERY negatively by the Hoboken district schools under Kids first leadership. In the words of Theresa Minutillo, "I'm disgusted"--

GA, please don't insult the inhabitants of Transilvania, they are nice people. No one would want to deal with the witch from hell, no, not even Dracula (btw, he's Transilvanian, ha ha....).

I'm not an idiot Nancy--- and the emails Leon sent to Jean Marie Mitchell were not press releases. Sorry. But they were violations of confidentiality of Board communications.

violations of confidentiallity?? finally something you and hubby can speak about smarttly

still here silly busted oink?? how's Bet?? joke

Now Hoover-Boink the Emasculated Anchovy, we all know that you haven't spawned yet.

But when you do, surely you will not try to destroy your own public school system which educates thousands of OTHER people's children- destroy it by relentless online attacks and vicious lies because that would be counter to any normal parental instinct- both male and female.

Do you agree? A NORMAL parent tries to protect it's young not damn it's public school system for craven politics. Unlike the animal kingdom, which is where we find mothers that attack their young.The way Curious Gal has by bashing her own son's community schools on these message boards.

You'd NEVER do that, to your child's school system, would you Hoover Boink?. That is, when the Mrs. squeezes out your first anchovy.

No, that kind of viciousness where one would tear at the school system in their own community, bash and badmouth it 24/7... a fine upstanding fish like you wouldn't do that. No, your province is calling local businessmen convicts, ex-felons and posting links to the NYS prisoner database. That's the kind of noble fish YOU are.

Well, I would say perhaps a wolf or another member of the animal kingdom who occasionally attacks it's young is a proper and appropriate analogy to Curious Gal AND prosbus. So indeed, may DYFUS rescue their poor child before those 2 take their fury at the mayor out on him.

I'd be willing to adopt the sweet little dear. But he's going to public school.

You REALLY have to watch the video to get a sense of the arrogance of Minutillo who- when Enrico says, "I'm sure you would change your comments now"- says, "No, I would not change my comments."

Any thoughts on this Nancy? ;-)

You are a proven LYING political operative who's never been to a School Board meeting and never has offered a POSITIVE suggestion or proposal to make the schools better on these boards. No, you spam every thread with political hackery.

No not a 'normal' parent, a HACK because a 'normal' parent would not be spewing venom against our schools 24/7.

Minutillo channeled out her discontentment into ACTION by her school board volunteerism and initaitves in our schools, for example, Career Day at the HHS. That's Theresa's baby.

What the hell have you done but sit on your fat ass and spew talking points for your latest master? You are a POX on the children of Hoboken, a pariah in town, and I'm calling you out on it.

Like it matters to one with your psychopathology.

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/02/look-what-wind-blew-in.html

So starting Career Day gives Theresa Minutillo the right to say she was disgusted with the Hoboken Public Schools in 2007? Not according to Teacher Union President Gary Enrico: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsi97HrjyQg

I've been trying to get your answer to these questions, but you don't seem to be providing them. Let me try again:

1-How about the 100k contract awarded to a sitting school board member, is that ok with you, too?
2-or the comment:
"We use it during the day when it’s not in use by the Boys and Girls Club.” – Jennifer Hindman Sargent
http://holahoboken.org/?page_id=196
Aftercare begins September 7, 2011, the first day of the 2011-12 school year. Aftercare is provided by members of our faculty and our aftercare staff. Aftercare begins at dismissal and remains open until 6:00 PM. The Aftercare program provides students with quiet time for homework, reading, and small group play (board games, puzzles, card games, etc.) as well as opportunities for physical activities and arts and crafts. A snack will also be provided for your child.
http://holahoboken.org/?page_id=198
enrichment classes: Enrichment Coordinator Margarita Garcia at mgarcia@holahoboken.org (201) 889-0089. 2011-12 Enrichment Classes

and one more:

3-Should an administration not follow procedures regarding laws and contracts?

ThisMeansWar- I have no issue with other bloggers, like yourself and prosbus, cutting and pasting my posts or vice versa--

to all. what is funny here is that prosbus and curiousgl are husband and wife and pals of Bet Masin and the two share screennames. and yes, they are offficially busted. again. ha

Prosbus is your husband. So why would you have an issue with him cutting and pasting your posts. The real issue is your HABIT of TELLING PROPAGANDISTIC LIES hour after hour. And even when the LIES are PROVEN to be LIES, you never acknowledge anything. You just print new LIES.

So in point of fact I did not cut and paste your LIES so as to discuss the matter with you. I did it so that anyone who doesn't know you yet will know that all you are is a PAID POLITICAL OPERATIVE who has never even been to a BOE meeting.

You are welcome to explain why you LIED DOZENS of TIMES about the popularity of BOEs changing to November if you'd like. Waiting...

There was never a lie. I posted weeks ago that when bloggers like you were posting items such as "200 NJ school districts adopt changing elections to November", I simply pointed out that while the number appeared to be large, there were actually MANY school districts in the State of NJ. The percentage (62% not adopting the change) was accurate at the time but has since changed as more districts have adopted the move. There was no lie--- I simply presented the data as a percentage rather than a raw number.

I would encourage people to read Mr. Perry Belfiore's letter to the editor in this week's Hoboken Reporter concerning the school board elections and the current Kids First Board of Education majority. It is a thoughtful and articulate critique of the Feb 14th meeting.

If you ever ran a restaurant -which fortunately for anyone who depends on you for income, you never have or will- if an item is preferred by even 200 of your 538 paying customers, you would esteem it "popular." You would say the same if only 100 chose it.

Only a lunatic and/or PAID LIAR would do otherwise. Only a PAID LIAR would not acknowledge that her analysis had proven COMPLETELY WRONG. But only a PAID LIAR would pretend -despite EVERYONE KNOWING otherwise- that she was not married to someone (prosbus-hq) who posts the EXACT SAME garbage. You know, this guy, your HUSBAND who ended up getting ARRESTED at a BOE meeting because like you he has more hate than sense : http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ssf/2010/04/hoboken_police_blotter_hoboken_3.html

I'll give you credit for one thing. In recognition for your family's HISTORY of uncontrollable VIOLENCE, you have decided to NEVER go to a BOE meeting. Just stick to being a PAID LIAR.

ThisMeansWar- "Popular" is a subjective term, I simply pointed out at the time the objective data rather than the subjective interpretation. For instance, while 200 may indicate "popular" to some, "200 out of 603 total districts in the State of New Jersey (http://www.nj.gov/education/data/fact.htm) have so far approved the change to November" is more objective in my opinion

Also, I am not paid to be a liar as you erroneously claim.

You just naturally lie? Got it.

CuriousGirl are you trying to suck up toOld Guard operative Perry Belfiore? No one is taking you or him seriously after this little expose as you well know:
"Hoboken political consultant Perry Belfiore – who has been part of a group screaming for open government – sent out a blanket email to political operatives in Hoboken to stop leaking information. “Someone is talking to Al Sullivan and it has to stop,” Belfiore’s email said. “Few people know the candidates’ names spoken about at last Saturday’s meeting, what Frank said, and the encounter I had with Stack. This is no coincidence. The person who thinks ingratiating themselves with Sullivan accrues a political benefit is wrong. Stop it or I will refuse to be in the same meeting with you.”

http://hudsonreporter.com/view/full_story/17485034/article-Back-at-ya-?instance=columns_lead_story_left_column

Uh, actually cg, you didnt say :
" The percentage (62% not adopting the change) was accurate at the time"
YOU said:
63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey HAVE NO PLANS of MOVING their April elections.They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2441917

Damn Facts!!!

pied piper- I am very satisfied with Ray Smith's reporting on this issue that was published yesterday in the Hoboken Reporter. (http://tinyurl.com/7w3wmek). I believe your assessment that a violation of the lease HAS occurred (as a point of fact) is premature and a likely attempt to elicit outrage where none is needed.

Personally, while I find asking for 10 years of back records are within the rights of Dawn's legal department it is also indicative of the intimidating tactics of a bully regime that has racked up $millions in legal costs for the taxpayers of this city (often in litigation AGAINST long time civil servants). The last 3-5 years would be a reasonable request IMHO. Clearly, there are more productive, cooperative, and civil ways of approaching this situation.

That being said- I am not surprised that Dawn has approved of her legal department's overly litigious approach to this issue. It is very apparent that Dawn's goal is to negate the lease and gain control of the building.

Uh, that was not my assessment, that quoted directly from this article. Did you bother to read the article that you are posting on or are you,as usual, just using this article as an arena for your smear and lies?

re: asking for legal documents that are required is now considered bullying?

How about the 100k contract awarded to a sitting school board member, is that ok with you, too?
or the comment:
"We use it during the day when it’s not in use by the Boys and Girls Club.” – Jennifer Hindman Sargent
http://holahoboken.org/?page_id=196
Aftercare begins September 7, 2011, the first day of the 2011-12 school year. Aftercare is provided by members of our faculty and our aftercare staff. Aftercare begins at dismissal and remains open until 6:00 PM. The Aftercare program provides students with quiet time for homework, reading, and small group play (board games, puzzles, card games, etc.) as well as opportunities for physical activities and arts and crafts. A snack will also be provided for your child.
http://holahoboken.org/?page_id=198
enrichment classes: Enrichment Coordinator Margarita Garcia at mgarcia@holahoboken.org (201) 889-0089. 2011-12 Enrichment Classes

it really is time for curiousgal to stop posting. she has been outed as a voice for hire for Bet Masin

pied piper- of course I read the article. And I addressed many of the issues you raised. Look over the thread. It IS bullying when you ask for 10 YEARS worth of records--- I explained why. If you don't agree-- fine. But it's intimidating and being over litigious.
Aftercare is coordinated with the B&GC as is articulated in the fine article in the Hoboken Reporter this weekend.

caught in yet another lie....

CuriousGal
8:45 am on Sunday, February 26

I believe your assessment that a violation of the lease HAS occurred (as a point of fact) is premature

You need better bloggers.

So you are saying that the administration should not follow procedural laws and contracts becasue it is considered "bullying, intimidating and being over litigious."

WOW!

Ok, how about the 100k contract awarded to a sitting school board member, is that ok with you, too?
or the comment:
"We use it during the day when it’s not in use by the Boys and Girls Club.” – Jennifer Hindman Sargent
http://holahoboken.org/?page_id=196
Aftercare begins September 7, 2011, the first day of the 2011-12 school year. Aftercare is provided by members of our faculty and our aftercare staff. Aftercare begins at dismissal and remains open until 6:00 PM. The Aftercare program provides students with quiet time for homework, reading, and small group play (board games, puzzles, card games, etc.) as well as opportunities for physical activities and arts and crafts. A snack will also be provided for your child.
http://holahoboken.org/?page_id=198
enrichment classes: Enrichment Coordinator Margarita Garcia at mgarcia@holahoboken.org (201) 889-0089. 2011-12 Enrichment Classes

and is is curiousgals job to make up and reppeat those lies for the Old Guard

Hobbs- I don't believe the old guard wants to re-gain control of the Hoboken BOE budget any more or less than Dawn and her group wish to lose control of the budget.

Its clear the extent to which Dawn and her Kids First group went to in order to assure 9 more months in office-- no telling what else they will do. I wish they cared about the education of the children in the district as much as they do about their political power grabs and lucrative contacts--

CG - I doubt many buy your absurd claims that the OLD GUARD is not actively trying to regain the control of all that potential patronage they once had.

When the OLD GUARD line up of Hoboken's First Family of Corruption the Russos, Peter "Perry" Belfiore. The Brothers Callicio, Frank "Pupie" Raia and his boys and their web flacks like you are out there lieing and whineing there is little doubt.

The loss of the BOE patronage mill has hurt the OLD GUARD.

curious operative really telling whoppers now

back in the fish tank, minnow boy.

how cute.. a kinder gentler sock puppet oink. not buyying it

yeah, interesting transformation. guess that's what happens when you get implicated in a criminal complaint and have to do some emergency damage control. pull out the upper-crust/private school background...yeah, that's a believable fit for someone named "boink", LOL!

Boink
11:36 am on Sunday, February 26, 2012

You seem to be stay at home mom, a run of the mill middle aged hausfrau which explains your behavior.

Nice characterization of stay at home moms. I am sure they will be happy with your vision of their life.

You are a peach!

rtux, I guess that explains his indifference toward the kids at the boys and girls club.

c'mon pied, go easy on minnowboink. he got distracted watching his "gossip girl" dvds while reminiscing about the ol' private school days and forgot about the boys & girls club. maybe he and the rest of his 1% classmates at the country club can hire the kids to work as caddies, to keep them off the streets and away from the rice krispy treats.

Yeah, you're right, can't expect much-afterall boink's buddy,CG doesn't know that there are Nov. elections every year and boink being some rich kid, turned adult, is glad that he won't have to run in the same cirlce's as those public school people or those in lower economic classes- all thanks to his parents.

klaussencoercer- You are entitled to your opinions, but not your facts.
Total number of school districts in New Jersey: 603 (http://www.nj.gov/education/data/fact.htm)

But, but, but... I thought you said there were only Nov. elections once every 4 or so years. You even provided us with a link from the Petrosino guy's website to prove it. Was that fact true, as well?

Here's an article showing the overwhelming support in all of NJ for November BoE elections. It's not a debate, not a controversy, it's a landslide and it's epic:

http://www.njsba.org/sb_notes/20120222/november.html?nr=517

Nothing left but the bitterness. More people than ever will vote in BoE elections in November. (They hate when that happens.)

Not to be a fly in your soup, but...
Number of Operating School Districts 2011-12 590

Number of Non-operating School Districts 2011-12 13

Total Number of School Districts 2011-12 603

Total Number of Charter Schools 2011-12 75

Charter school district don't have school board elections,(nor do county school districts)
and
non operating districts - well...i think that statement stand for it'self.

Damn facts!!!!
That spin is getting so difficult for you to pursue!

But don't worry ,you almost got a few people to believe that Nov. elections only occur once every 4 years.

CuriousGal what's a non-operating school district?

You are a hoot!
Your statement (facts provided from Petrosino's webiste) was based on the cost of election and how it wouldnt save much on the basis that elections are only held once every four years.

Again, nice try at spin....just another lie, by you, easily disproven.

Yeah, the overt influence you are worried about is called TURNOUT. You don't want turnout b/c you want the overt influence of checks written by the people you support to win the day. Back in your hole you snake.

For that curiously obtuse gal who blows hot air out her mouth and hates how popular November BOE elections are state wide, here is a press release from the NJSBA.

"The number of school districts moving their school elections from April to November continued to rise last week, as the Feb. 17 deadline to adopt such resolutions drew near.

As of Tuesday, Feb. 21, New Jersey School Boards Association had counted 465 New Jersey districts – out of 538 districts which have budget elections – that had made the switch. That equals about 86 percent of districts with budget elections.

The move was made possible by legislation enacted on Jan. 17, giving communities the option to change the election date through a resolution by the local board of education, a resolution by the municipal governing body, or voter referendum. Doing so places the school board candidates on the November ballot – but eliminates the need for school boards to put their proposed school budgets out for a public vote as long as the budget remains at or below the state’s 2-percent levy cap.

According to news reports, at least 21 municipalities have passed resolutions that would move school elections to November; in some cases, the municipality and the school board passed a dual resolution."

Why were municipal elections separated from the November elections in the 40's? It was to reduce machine influence on local elections. You can't see beyond your own current circumstances---
BTW, despite the Vote by Mail--- it seems the Zimmer group loses at the polls as well. So, the whole drama around the vote by mail's is largely ridiculous. You lose at BOTH the polls and the mail in votes---

I thought the city council changed in 2009 and is in majority for 2012.
Thought the mayor's office changed in 2009, as well.

Or did you have facts to prove otherwise (possibly from Petrosinio's website).

SO confusing.

Here you are saying everyone lost and yet...
ah- nevermind- this is a cg post.

Those 2 do have one thing in common. They are both afraid that if turnout is high, the will of the people will win the day.

redrider-- last election Kids First lost on BOTH the polls AND the state encouraged vote by mail.

Wasn't that the same year that all of the public schools were on Spring Break (vacation)?
Well, I guess that won't be happening again.

The state may encourage vote by mail but it certainly doesn't condone having a candidate who got 1,000 or so votes giving 500 of those voters $40 checks.

I see you keep avoiding my questions, which btw, are on topic of this particular story(hmmm... seems familiar). So let me try once more...

1-How about the 100k contract awarded to a sitting school board member, is that ok with you, too?
2-or the comment:
"We use it during the day when it’s not in use by the Boys and Girls Club.” – Jennifer Hindman Sargent
http://holahoboken.org/?page_id=196
Aftercare begins September 7, 2011, the first day of the 2011-12 school year. Aftercare is provided by members of our faculty and our aftercare staff. Aftercare begins at dismissal and remains open until 6:00 PM. The Aftercare program provides students with quiet time for homework, reading, and small group play (board games, puzzles, card games, etc.) as well as opportunities for physical activities and arts and crafts. A snack will also be provided for your child.
http://holahoboken.org/?page_id=198
enrichment classes: Enrichment Coordinator Margarita Garcia at mgarcia@holahoboken.org (201) 889-0089. 2011-12 Enrichment Classes

and one more:

3-Should an administration not follow procedures regarding laws and contracts?

Hobbs- not a hateful bone in my body

However all that hate got into you, it seeps out of every post you place

You mean not an honest bone in your body.

I still wouldn't believe Hoboken Questioner even a bit more if he/she prefaced his/her remmarks by saying " I HATE ANYTHING AN ANYONE WHO TRIES TO REFORM THE CORRUPT INBREED OLD GUARD SYSTEM IN HOBOKEN"

LOL :-)

Hoboken Questioner would be a bit more believable if he said, "The people who pay me for friendship want me to say the following..."

Bless you, pied piper.

it's amazing how much money is available when parents flee the public schools, isn't it?
Let's see what the test scores look like--- that's what I'm interested in. It's easy to purchase things like laptops and hire "coaches"-- let's see how it translates into learning and test scores before we pat ourselves on the shoulders for spending money.
The Autism classroom has been around for 5 years-- and relocating the district offices to Demarest is a not too subtle way of making the building apper to be used since no one wants an empty Demarest to be used for the ever increasing and popular charter schools in town.

Screw you, Moron-Gal. Wallace has a wait-list. parents 'flee" the public schools? My a$$.

How about you and your scabrous hubby "flee" Hoboken?

Wallace has a wait list because Calabro is too small and no one wants to go to Connors who can help it.
2200 students in 2007, down to 1800 today, an 18% drop in Hoboken residents using the public schools. School Choice (something Minutillo voted down a few years ago) is now embraced since it is making the numbers look at least somewhat acceptable.
With over 90% of all hoboken district students attending a school that has failed to make adequate yearly progress for 2 years in row (up from less than 15% in 2009), its little wonder a 4th charter school is being proposed and the city's charter's, private and religious schools are bursting at the seams.
Go be a cheerleader for them Nancy--- good luck with that. Simply put, in the words of then Board President Theresa Minutillo, "I'm disgusted, we are failing our students"....

it's amazing how much money is avalable when no one is stealing or hiding it.

There's a lot of hiding going on-- let's find out at tomorrow's meeting how much the consulting group that did the negotiating for the Board on the teachers contract charged. Or the incredible amount of legal fees for which we received an audit violation for going 130% over the state average. And the endless parade of interims and consultants....

To put things into perspective:
This was all done, using lower local levy money than 09 (now,lowest allowable levy)- different allocation.
Begs the question:
What was this money used for in the past?
How is it , that none of these initiative occured before?

oh, right, "HVAC" man, printer, asst BA, etc.... payoffs, used up all the funding. And let's remember this can all be easily reversed, as Raia said: "the first one's to go will be Toabck, Davis and the attorney."

It should also be noted that all of these improvements are being done, while a new charter school was added, (charter school money comes directly from local levy- thus cuts to the district is made, each time a charter school opens or increases enrollment and all of these intitiative were still able to occur ).

Bla bla bla ... in other words, Calabro is FULL and the 'overflow' is wait-listed for Wallace? That doesn't sound like "fleeing" the public schools to me. No, it sounds like our schools are filled to capacity.

What an idiot you are.

How about moving your fat ass away from the keyboard and that box of Ring Dings, and putting it inside a public school so you have a clue what you're talking about?

The high school principal didn't lose his job or even get sanctioned but Paula OHaus lost her job for taking kids to take the SAT's WITH parents permission. Kids First can't hide from their own words and deeds anymore--- too much of a public record out there bu objective news sources.

Yes there IS too much of a public record out there. Here's yours.

Paid liar Kim Curiousgal: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2441917

Paid liar Lane Prosbus-hq: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2443563

Presently 466 out of 538 districts with budget elections have switched to November elections. Don't waste your time listening to paid liars.

Teachers aren't supposed to be driving students anywhere at all without the approval of the BOE. How much would her actions have cost us if the car they had been in been involved in an accident?

LMAO-- High School Principals like Mr. Joy are not suppose to let strangers into the school WITHOUT IDENTIFICATION and then talk to children about non existent jobs and then meet them near abandoned factories and cause much psychological stress. But nothing happened to Mr. Joy (who also was at the helm as HHS went from 2nd most improved school in NJ to failing to make AYP). Ridiculous. Then you wonder why parents are abandoning the public schools...

Let's take a look at tburn's volunteer efforts. vs those of a truely dedicated volunteer who has skin in the game.
Burns aided in
-Using 700k of student money to pay off gagliardi
-hiring an inexperienced superintendent who needed on the job training and a mentor at student expense
-approving more that 50k in expenses for extravagant dinners for board members
-approval of paying speeding and other tickets for employees
-no capital improvements during her tenure
-ensuring that students used old antiquated textbooks for 12 years
-approving lots of no-show jobs for those who needed cash
-allowing the 10r scam to start up and continue through her tenure
The list goes on and on....

We don't need a history lesson pied piper-- let's talk about the shambles the district currently is in due to Kids First. Time to take responsibility for the horrible test scores and schools failing to make AYP.
As Board President Minutillo said, "I'm disgusted, we are failing our children"---

tburns, shame. Your video link has NOTHING to do with HHS Career Day or Minutillo.

Another day, another smoke screen from Secaucus.

Nice work, pied. It explains why tburns can't let go of Hoboken (kaching, kaching) even though she lives in Secaucus.

Nancy- seriously, you are the last person on EARTH who should be making any assessments of people's motivations.

Kim, (Curious Gal) coming from a slithering reptile like you, that's a compliment.

Curious Kim says Wallace is waitlisted because Calabro is FULL, then says parents are "abandoning" public schools.

Someone get this woman her meds.

Were you not disgusted by the total abuse and waste of student money ,that was going on in the good ole days under Raia, Burns, Kearns, Garcia and co?

The past administrations were stealing student money and using it for bogus jobs, extravagant dinners and payoffs?
who wouldn't be disgusted?
The fact that you had no concerns and nothing to say in the past about these abuses speaks volumns about your intentions and your concern for the students.

ThisMeansWar- is that the same police department that came knocking at Nancy's door? ;-)

That event is just one more example of the insane and bottomless hatred that drives the Bajardinal Family. You need to do 3 things.

1) Hope there is no such place as hell.
2) Hope there is no such thing as karma.
3) Hope your child isn't listening and being contaminated by your depravity.

That's a lot of hoping for someone so observably cynical.

Yes CG from a paranoid and feckless Tim Occhipinti.

That's a whole lot of poopie but you know that. :-)

The ONLY people who defend Kids First are anonymous bloggers--- the case against Kids First is documented by legitimate journalists, objective state data, and the pitter patter of parents and their children abandoning the public schools that Kids First oversees.

Their are suspicions about who you are C.G.

But until you put your real name to a post, you too are an anonymous blogger. How are those glass walls holding up to the stones?

CuriousGal what parent would want to subject themselves to your abuse of their school system? In case you haven't noticed you're an anonymous blogger too.

You are free to look it up yourself Journey-- no one is here to answer your questions. The Hoboken resident school population has dropped 18% since 2009-- it was on a recent BoE meeting. Check out the Oct 15 report--

You keep harping on about the enrollment, skewing the context to match your narrative. Provide some data, or shut up.

enrollment data was mentioned at a BOE meeting I saw on tv a few months ago. If the superintendent mentioned it, it's good enough information for me.

Enrollment numbers are a statistic. Without knowning the context, without knowing more than just the number, it is completely meaningless.

http://www.4hoteliers.com/4hots_fshw.php?mwi=557

Journey, check the budget docs- her enrollment number is hogwash- she gets it (as well as most of her info) from a non renewed, asst to the supt/ I've got an ax to grind: Petrosino's website

Biased sources like the axed former assistant to the superintendent are not to be trusted and neither are people who copy and paste off of biased sources like that.

If I had to use the numbers from NJDOE (the differ from the budget numbers).

From 2008-2009 to 2009-2010 there was 4% increase in enrollment.
From 2009-20010 to 2010-2011 there was a 7% decrease.

7% is that the total enrollment dropped by 138 students. Not a large number and can be caused by many factors.

There was a 21% increase in enrollment from 2006-2007 to 2007-2008.

These things fluctuate. Without more info the numbers are completely meaningless.

Thanks for your factual info- I will put this in with the other useful facts you gave us (Nov.elections only occuring once every 4 years and 63% of the NJ school districts have NO plan of moving to nov elections, to name a few)
.

The budget enrollment numbers come for the number of students enrolled in the school on a given day in October.

And based on those.
Year Students Increase
2006 1863
2007 1865 2
2008 1892 27
2009 2029 137
2010 2033 4
2011 2045 12

So based on that no drop in enrollment at all.

Journey,the 138 students largely corellates with the opening of a new charter school. 44 students per grade, 3 grades. The district has to prepare their budget by April based on programs/schools open in april. Thus, if a charter school (or other) has not been approved before the budget is developed, the BA must assume capacity based on expectaions of no new school being opened.

Raia and group love when new schools open in Hoboken, it means less involved parents in the public schools which lessens the chances that the public will give a hoot about the schools and increases their ability to "raid the piggy bank" and steal from the kids, without anyone watching....see improvements listed above (all of those improvements were still able to made, using a lower levy than Raia and co and doing so with a new charter school opening -(charter money comes dirrectly from district levy).

The 138 drop in students (7% decrease) + the 100+ "choice" students from out of town + the recent counting of preK students for district population makes it a little difficult to compare apples to apples. But when you compare Hoboken children enrolled in K-12 over the last few years the data becomes easier to grasp and compare.

As for the levy-- pied piper, please review these charts (redrider- feel free to mention any "bias" you see): http://tinyurl.com/6on9tls This shows the levy to be VERY stable over the past 7 years--- not only under Kids First but before...

The discussion on school attendance is interesting. I agree there are a number of factors.

The levy was up 11% in 4 years and then KF takes over and it remains flat thereafter. Makes you wonder how much money Petro flushed down the toilet.

Here is the numbers (using NJDOE numbers)

It follows the same subset of students as they progress. Many 3rd graders will be 4th graders the next year and so on.

Grade Year Total Change
Grade 3 2001-2002 155
Grade 4 2002-2003 147 -8
Grade 5 2003-2004 139 -8
Grade 6 2004-2005 123 -16
Grade 7 2005-2006 120 -3
Grade 8 2006-2007 120 0
Grade 9 2007-2008 180 60
Grade 10 2008-2009 147 -33
Grade 11 2009-2010 149 2
Grade 12 2010-2011 150 1

Redrider-- Correlation does not prove causation.
For instance, since obtaining office Kids First has appropriated the absolute least amount of money as legally permissible by NJ State Law on educating the district public school children of Hoboken. The result? We have now seen system wide test scores at an all time low and most schools failing AYP.
Penny wise and pound foolish??? you decide--

Journey- nice work Cheers-

Thanks for pointing out that the levy info, as rtux has noted rapidly increasing- to a flatline. Amazingly, all of these new student/classroom intitiatives and capital improvements are being made with less than Your (pre 2009)old levy.

WHy werent these put into place during your tenure? Where did all of that money go?

Re: student population- Journey and many others have provided data from nj boe and njdoe sites and yet you want them to believe your "18% decrease" written on your website....

I guess people shouldnt believe their eyes, afterall they have a disgruntled employee who has provided his "take" on the facts.

correction- redrider

Once again the lying and spin from the Pterosino website...

3 k-8 schools were placed in sini/failing AYP under Raslowski/Petrosino
HHS was using the 10r scam- hiding 11th graders so they wouldnt have ot take the test under Rasloswki/Petrosino and prior administrations.

The 10r stopped in spring of 09- thus producing an accurate accounting of all 11th graders- not only those who could pass the test. You can check the data records on NJ school report card, place areful attention to the # of students in grades 9-12- you will notice a large %age of missing 11th graders (in some cases nearly 45-50%).

You gotta love how Burns, Petrosino, cg and group blame the new administration for their decades of mismanagement and removal of support services.

Passkey, you are a real idiot. Correlation does not prove causation? Is that your lame answer? I could say the same to you whenever you post your nonsense though I must say others put it much more succinctly when they point out how our test scores plummeted once we stopped fudging the test results by using that 10r loophole.

Redrider- 10r does not explain Wallace going from passing to failing to make AYP and does not explain the high school going from 2nd most improved HS in NJ to 2 years in a row of failing to make AYP. The data is clear.

Also, pied piper-- look at the url and you will see all the state DOE documentation to show that when Raslowsky left, ALL schools made AYP except for Connors.

WRONG! More lies.

Once again:
During the 2009 audit and test score presentation- that somehow was erased/editted/went missing for viewing on TV due to Ricciardi's mistake, It was found that Wallace, Calabro and Conners was in sini/failing ayp. Again, this was under Raslowski/Petrosino's tenure. They removed remedial classes, cut out classes, used the moeny to fund their friends and wasted a whole slew of student money. They took the district from 1 school failing AYP and placed 3 schools into failure of AYP and now come and scream about three schools not making AYP. You can't make this stuff up!

from the audit/test score presentation of raslowski/Petrosino:
"Scores diving

Standardized test scores from grades 3 through 8 dropped again this year, according to numbers released by the district last week.

Scores in language arts dropped from a 78.8 average in 2008 to a 66.2 average in 2009; math scores dropped from 64.1 in 2008 to 52.5 in 2009.

The district has invested stabilization funds into teacher training to assist in meeting test score proficiency, and the professionals who trained the teachers are now entering the classrooms to assist with implementation, according to Carter.

Read more: Hudson Reporter - SCHOOL AUDIT Student money reimbursed teacher for lost iPod Board of Ed hears details of negative audit and test scores officials resign

Passkey - my response is how about you respond to Pied. He or she has been waiting for you to respond to them for months and you always slink away.

Bingo.

You nailed it rtux. These bloggers for the "return to the Old Guard" Hoboken don't even have a slate of candidates to trot out yet, it's just bash-bash-bash, tear down-tear-down-tear-down. Parrotted one-sided talking points. Is there anyone but these disingenuous, fact distorting bloggers that don't see their agenda for what it is - a scripted work assignment with a pre-determined conclusion about getting their yet-to-be named cronies in office to start turning the clock back to the bad old days?

It's just such a shame that you have no data to back up your claims-( sans of course the Petrosino website). The njdoe and njboe websites have totally different numbers than what you suggest.
Hmm now who should we believe? You or the state of NJ Dept of Education, HBOE and the budget docs.

this is a hard one....

oh right, you guys believe there are only Nov election 1x every 4 years and state, as fact, that 63% of nj districts have NO plans of moving elections to Nov.

T Burns has the enrollment in K-12 gone up or down since 2009 when ALL Hoboken public schools are included? That means including Charters which are, in fact, public schools drawing from the same population. Feel free to segregate out the data for out of district choice students though the relevance of that escapes me since it would appear to be the result of people believing our schools are better for their children than the local schools. Please also adjust the data to exclude the effect of the removal of illegal out of district students.

That would give us actual meaningful data instead of a talking point. I anxiously await your response.

As others have said, K-12 (especially Hoboken resident/non school choice) student population has really taken a hit lately.

I'll review what NJDOE says those numbers include. Honsety, I will not take your word for it.

But I did see an interesting trend with the 11th grade.

Uh- no it doesnt-all in- would bring the numbers above 3500.

They all cost the taxpayer b/c still pay for those charter schools through the BOE budget so you can't exclude charter school kids from district enrollment when looking at the BOE budget.

and that number does not include the special education students (roughly 250).

So, if YOU want to include the actual number represented in the budget of
62mm, which ecompasses all costs for all district and charter school general education students/prek students/special education students (re: SE students:every child in the city of hoboken-regardless of private/charter placement-costs (including transportation costs and all services)are the responsibility of the home (Hoboken) district), then the number is around 3700.

The number journey provided you with was for GENERAL educations students ONLY who are enrolled in the Hoboken district school. Again, this number did not include classified special education students nor any other students whose costs are in the budget.

The numbers I have do not include the charters.

No, they are not. Read the budget yourself, you can easily verify this.

Yes, but but one of your biggest supporters in this forum makes that argument constantly. She is one curiously obtuse gal.

Redrider765- trying to take credit for the charter school kids is like a parent who insist their runaway kids sit for a family photo.
They don't want you. Just have the money pass through the Board for accounting purposes and leave them be. They are doing fine.

So as a sitting charter school board member, you are saying that charter schools don't want anything from the public( but their money- for accounting purposes) and that they should be left alone? What the heck does that mean? Left alone, how?

Left alone as in ... when a public charter school board member gets awarded 100k contract, after loaning that school 50k (or more), no one should question such activity?

Passkey, you are an idiot. What I am saying is if you are going to use the "declining enrollment at the BOE" argument to start mouthing off about the budget needing to be cut then you need to include the charter school enrollment w/ the BOE enrollment b/c the BOE budget pays for charter schools too! If you had any intelligence and were able to do more than just cut & paste the same nonsense over and over again, maybe you'd have understood that.

pied piper- as I have said many times before, I am not who you seem to think I am. I am not on any Board and never ran a school. Never even went to college-- just a guy from Hoboken.

It only makes sense if you can find us a budget figure that only accounts for the costs of the K-12 Hoboken resident student population enrolled in the district schools over the past 5-6 years. Pretty sure it is impossible to find any such figure so no, the number makes absolutely no sense.

The people responsible for the B&G debacle are the same ones looking to muck up the BOE again and who opposed the move of the BOE elections to November.

Exactly were are your numbers coming from Ms. Burns?

Actually, I believe that it is supposed to be the lease violations over at the B & G club that we are discussing, but you, passkey and curioustwit have successfully hijacked the thread in a transparent, and sadly successful attempt to change the subject since apparently replacing hot dinner with a junk food snack is not something even you three can defend.

"It is the K-12 Hoboken public (non-charter) student population we are discussing"

Really!! And who exactly decided that "we" were discussing only that single not terribly meaningful and carefully selected piece of data?

Just curious - curioustwit and Dr. P (passkey) have both written that we don't have november elections every year. This has clearly established their unassailable credentials as imbeciles.

How often do you think we have November elections? Assuming that each eliminated election saves the district $50,000 how much money do you think moving the elections to November will save the district every year. Curioustwit and passkey think the answer is $12,500 because they think we have november elections only every 4 years. I think the answer is $50,000 because curioustwit and passkey are imbeciles.

What do you think T. Burns?

You keep worrying about the hypothetical impact of other election races all you want while the rest of us celebrate the move to November, the resulting increase in turnout and the dilutive impact that will have on the vote buyers.

The argument about November elections are that they are popular and more people will vote. That may be true every 4 years for a Presidential election (like the upcoming 2012 November elections) but on an off year, a November election may be for a Representative, or a Senator, or Freeholders. It's not clear that these non-Presidential November elections will bring out the vast numbers touted.
Plus- there is the undue influence of state politics on local elections-- the original reason municipal elections were moved to the spring years and years ago---

Demosthenes - yup, they are trying to distract everyone from the fact that the B&G club is leasing out that building the city owns for profit, nobody knows where the money is going and the B&G club is now a second class citizen in their own building.

Passkey, I don't think you are afraid of the impact of other state or Federal races on Hoboken elections. I definitely think you folks are very worried about dilutive impact of increased turnout. But perhaps equally important, I think you are worried about what would happen w/ respect to attracting the attention of law enforcement if you folks were to pull the same stunts during a state wide or Federal election that you pull during a strictly local one. I'd bet you are more than a little worried about what will happen if you were to say pass out street money during a Federal election on the scale that we've see in this town in the past. How many agents do you think would descend upon the 4th ward if someone had passed out 500 checks during a Presidential race? They'd send an army and I bet more than a few people would end up going to jail. And not only would the FBI send an army, but I bet the TV networks and pundits would have a field day reporting on all that money sloshing around and making its way into the pockets of voters on election day. And then the heat would be really on.

Fantastic job, Journey!

More:

2001-2002 5 180
2002-2003 6 165 -15
2003-2004 7 171 6
2004-2005 8 162 -9
2005-2006 9 215 53
2006-2007 10 185 -30
2007-2008 11 93 -92
2008-2009 12 175 82
2001-2002 4 166
2002-2003 5 160 -6
2003-2004 6 142 -18
2004-2005 7 143 1
2005-2006 8 127 -16
2006-2007 9 208 81
2007-2008 10 206 -2
2008-2009 11 142 -64
2009-2010 12 149 7
2001-2002 3 155
2002-2003 4 147 -8
2003-2004 5 139 -8
2004-2005 6 123 -16
2005-2006 7 120 -3
2006-2007 8 120 0
2007-2008 9 180 60
2008-2009 10 147 -33
2009-2010 11 149 2
2010-2011 12 150 1

2001-2002 2 167
2002-2003 3 158 -9
2003-2004 4 141 -17
2004-2005 5 135 -6
2005-2006 6 121 -14
2006-2007 7 118 -3
2007-2008 8 109 -9
2008-2009 9 134 25
2009-2010 10 152 18
2010-2011 11 145 -7
2001-2002 1 151
2002-2003 2 147 -4
2003-2004 3 136 -11
2004-2005 4 131 -5
2005-2006 5 128 -3
2006-2007 6 116 -12
2007-2008 7 122 6
2008-2009 8 112 -10
2009-2010 9 151 39
2010-2011 10 149 -2

2001-2002 Full-Day Kindergarten 158
2002-2003 1 159 1
2003-2004 2 153 -6
2004-2005 3 144 -9
2005-2006 4 130 -14
2006-2007 5 121 -9
2007-2008 6 122 1
2008-2009 7 107 -15
2009-2010 8 105 -2
2010-2011 9 131 26
2001-2002 Full-Day Preschool Hand 12
2002-2003 Full-Day Kindergarten 150 138
2003-2004 1 139 -11
2004-2005 2 139 0
2005-2006 3 117 -22
2006-2007 4 109 -8
2007-2008 5 104 -5
2008-2009 6 99 -5
2009-2010 7 103 4
2010-2011 8 91 -12
2002-2003 Full-Day Preschool Hand 11
2003-2004 Full-Day Kindergarten 155 144
2004-2005 1 146 -9
2005-2006 2 141 -5
2006-2007 3 133 -8
2007-2008 4 143 10
2008-2009 5 137 -6
2009-2010 6 133 -4
2010-2011 7 124 -9

2003-2004 Full-Day Preschool Hand 13
2004-2005 Full-Day Kindergarten 148 135
2005-2006 1 127 -21
2006-2007 2 118 -9
2007-2008 3 116 -2
2008-2009 4 110 -6
2009-2010 5 113 3
2010-2011 6 108 -5
2004-2005 Full-Day Preschool Hand 10
2005-2006 Full-Day Kindergarten 159 149
2006-2007 1 146 -13
2007-2008 2 128 -18
2008-2009 3 123 -5
2009-2010 4 116 -7
2010-2011 5 112 -4
2005-2006 Full-Day Presch Dis. 11
2006-2007 Full-Day Kindergarten 172 161
2007-2008 1 161 -11
2008-2009 2 145 -16
2009-2010 3 144 -1
2010-2011 4 127 -17
2006-2007 Full-Day Presch Dis. 15
2007-2008 Full-Day Kindergarten 170 155
2008-2009 1 173 3
2009-2010 2 159 -14
2010-2011 3 144 -15
2007-2008 Full-Day Pre-Kind. 411
2007-2008 Full-Day Presch Dis. 17
2008-2009 Full-Day Kindergarten 186 169
2009-2010 1 168 -18
2010-2011 2 136 -32
2008-2009 Full-Day Presch Dis. 12
2009-2010 Full-Day Kindergarten 231 219
2010-2011 1 155 -76
2009-2010 Full-Day Preschool Dis 12
2010-2011 Kindergarten Full Day 167 155

A lot of data here, Journey. What's the "For Dummies" version.

The disappearing (10R) students on display for all to see.
starting in 2002 and ending in 2009.....
numbers of pupils for
10th-11th-12th grade.
192-117-152
183-100-151
191-74-143
229-83-161
170-67-127
Then 10r stopped in 2009....
147-149-150

Notice that odd low number of students missing in the middle from 2002-2008?

Well it's the same team that told us 100 times that 466 out of 538 did not qualify as "popular."

What does this trend mean to everyone else. These are the numbers that really deviate from the norm.

Year Grade Change
2002-2003 10 44
2003-2004 11 -83
2004-2005 12 51

Year Grade Change
2003-2004 10 50
2004-2005 11 -117
2005-2006 12 69

Year Grade Change
2004-2005 10 11
2005-2006 11 -146
2006-2007 12 78

Year Grade Change
2005-2006 10 11
2006-2007 11 -103
2007-2008 12 60

Year Grade Change
2006-2007 10 -30
2007-2008 11 -92
2008-2009 12 82

I'm also seeing a trend exceeding the standard deviation for the 9th grade. Why more enrollments going into the 9th grade?

Do the Charters in town now go up to the 9th grade, or do they stop at 8th? The same with some of the private/religious schools?

Elysian k-8
hcs k-12
hola k-5

private schools(mustard seed, all saints, stevens- k-8
1 private mid/HS- 5-12

So a theory to test is that the 9th grade enrollment increase is the charter and private school families enrolling their children in Hoboken High School once they hit 9th grade and their school does not offer it.

Journey-- in 2008 the High School received Honorable Mention by US News and World Report and was recognized as the 2nd most improved High School in NJ by New Jersey Monthly. This was BEFORE Kids First. Now it is a school that for 2 years in a row has failed to make adequate yearly progress (sorry--this has NOTHING to do with the blame game of test scores-- no evidence at all on that one except for excuses by Kids First supporters).
The ship was not sinking as objective state data shows. What IS clear is what has happened since KIds First took the majority and control.
Did you know that under Kids First the QSAC score for Instruction and Program dropped 20 points last year? And, they didn't want to release the results to the public? A member of the audience had to hand out the results at a public meeting.
Think about that on the way to 4th Street Park....

well of course it did, it was based on on 05/ 06 and 06/07 scores....146 and 103 kids missing from the 11th grade in those years- The highest "anomaly" of all the years.

You forgot to mention that the state had a planned take over for mismangaement for 2009 year, until Davis was hired. He took the district from failing 4/5 to passing 4/5 and all in the high 90% range. At the last meeting he noted that the district was now being considered for an award due to the business and financial heath of the district.

You can send your letter of thanks to the Superintendent or Business office over at the Hoben board of education.

And until Dorthy looked behind the curtain she thought she was talking to the all powerful Wizard of Oz. I saw enough to be concerned about who was running the schools back then and to vote for their opponents.

There was NEVER a planned take over by the state--- absolutely no written documentation or communication on the topic. Only BA Davis' "word" on the issue. He back peddled during a Board meeting on this topic in December.

Paid liar Lane Prosbus-hq: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2443563

Paid liar Kim Curiousgal: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2441917

Presently 466 out of 538 districts with budget elections have switched to November elections. Don't waste your time listening to paid liars.

I think you gotta go with the NJ Report Card data--- that's intended for public use. Any valid reasons not to use that as the standard?

I had downloaded 10 files from NJDOE website. I'll look for the link, I just don't have it on the tip of my fingers.

It was statewide report, and I had to look Hoboken up by its district number. I didn't keep the raw data unfortunately, because I was just crunching the numbers for my own interest a a few months back.

County Code: 17
District Code: 2210
School Code:

There are two school codes for high school grades in Hoboken. Add schools 005 and 011 together. Like I added 063, 065, and 070 for the lower grades.

Does the adding of all students of one grade together (like all 5th graders or all 11th graders) help you understand the numbers?

Wha???????? If you want to talk about disgust...take a look at this data

Burns aided in
-Using 700k of student money to pay off gagliardi
-hiring an inexperienced superintendent who needed on the job training and a mentor at student expense
-approving more that 50k in expenses for extravagant dinners for board members
-approval of paying speeding and other tickets for employees
-no capital improvements during her tenure
-ensuring that students used old antiquated textbooks for 12 years
-approving lots of no-show jobs for those who needed cash
-allowing the 10r scam to start up and continue through her tenure
The list goes on and on....

AND where was your disgust while you sat on teh HBOE when connors and all others were failing and the state was going to take over the entire district?in 2001(entire district) and again in 2009 (business dept)?

How were all those fancy dinners at Frankie and Johnies and Amanda's, that the kids paid for out of their classroom money?

You are a disgrace!

Please tell me the BOE didn't spring so a bunch of self-serving twits could gorge themselves on steak at some fancy schmancy steak house.

50k worth...

$50K of expense account meals for a group that runs a district w/ a couple thousand kids is completely inexcusable.

and illegal

tburns conveniently forgets that Wallace has a large Special Ed population while Calabro has none- for the testing years on the NJDOE website.

tburns has one of those truth-allergies.

Grade 11 in 0910
School 005: 128
School 011: 21
Add together: 149

Grade 11 in 0809
005: 129
011: 13
Add them: 142

Do I have to go on?

pied piper- the state NEVER threatened to take over the school district's business department. BA Davis backed off of that as soon as he was questioned at the Dec Board meeting ("well, they spoke about it but there was actually no written communication..."). talk about arrogant people. He was only suppose to be here for 2 years but I guess he found a home now (keep switching his titles so he can stay longer).

Paid liar Lane Prosbus-hq: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2443563

Paid liar Kim Curiousgal: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2441917

Presently 466 out of 538 districts with budget elections have switched to November elections. Don't waste your time listening to paid liars.

I won't give her an echo chamber. A lie repeated often enough might eventually be thought of as truth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber_%28media%29

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

-Joseph Goebbels, Curious Gal, prosbus, tburns, Passkey, etc.

Connors decline had begun before Kids First took office.

I saw the presentation at the last meeting about the CAPA. Sounds like the district has plans to fix things, do you have a plan? You have previous experience. What is your plan?

Wow... I just got my hands on that 2006 audit.

Jeez you guys were livin' large! Oink oink oink... lots of fine dining... mysterious expenses... 50K to a PR media firm owned by local politico... how much of that computer equipment from Gateway made it's way to Connors?

Oink oink. Knowing it is one thing, seeing it is another. No WONDER all the piggies are trying so hard to get their snouts back into the BoE coffers.

Check it out, people. Particulary the $$ on food (restaurants) and flowers FroM THE EDUCATION BUDGET. Nixed by Kids First. But the way it was in the tburns-Raia era.

The goodies are toward the end... Oink Oink.

http://www.state.nj.us/education/finance/kw/Hoboken.pdf

http://www.state.nj.us/education/finance/kw/Hoboken.pdf

WOw, Burns just- WOW!

Maybe Nancy likes history and the Nazi's did have active propaganda machine.

Besides the quote might describe propaganda very well, but it was most likely never said be Goebbels.

http://bytwerk.com/gpa/falsenaziquotations.htm

I wonder how Richard Mason would react if someone hired someone like his wife's Tim the video guy to stake out his Hudson Street mansion and video tape his family ?

gettheboozeout44... urp... howz the yelling at the NJDOE going.... whazzish?... urp... yoo shpray perfoom in your mouth before meetings... to cover the...yoo know... whazzish?

Journey- very interesting. That's a very famous quotation attributed to Goebbels. If not him, I wonder where it came from?

Well, i could research but am too busy going through this 297-page School Budget audit from 2006... the year tburns was on the BoE. Oh my, have a look at all the EDUCATION money spent on flowers, restaurants, political donations, mysterious purchases... wow... NO WONDER those piggies are dying to stick their snouts back in that $59 million trough. No WONDER they want to muddy up the good guys.

Take a look, everybody!

http://www.state.nj.us/education/finance/kw/Hoboken.pdf

I can only imagine how those financials read. I hope we get a copy of hte financials already provided to the city, as well.

WHere is all of this money going?

Someone is making some money cause it isnt going to the kids.

what about that 100k contract given to a school board member to build the addition and why is the rest so cheap. Less than they charged for a smaller space in 2004- to the city no less- The Boys and girls club rented the space to the city that rented the space to them...something is odd about that.

Odd indeed. The KPMG audit couldn't find a reasonable explanation either for the $50K paid to the HBGC by the BoE when Burns and her Old Guard pals were in charge. What were they up to?
"Inadequate information to understand the nature of the expense. The BOE was unable to provide additional documentation to support the expense."
Appendix B39 pg.124
http://www.state.nj.us/education/finance/kw/Hoboken.pdf

If the B&G club can't provide the information then they are in violation of the lease. If they are in violation of the lease and we cancel the lease, then none of their tenants or the B&G club can stay in the facility w/o permission from the city and we can use this as leverage to force the B&G club to comply w/ the lease and stop subleasing the facility for their own commercial gain.

i love the lunch/dinner charges that are a flat, exact number...like $300 even, or $1,000 even. when have you ever ordered food and had a bill that was exactly $300 even (as opposed to $304.76 or something)? geez, these guys weren't even trying to fake it!

BINGO. Raia, Burns, Russo clan & Old Guard thugs can smell the BoE surplus and can't wait to get their grubby hands on what has traditionally been their personal piggy bank. Burns is here to earn her keep and stay in their good graces otherwise there's no excuse for her continued and pathetic defense of the past few decades of Old Guard looting at the BoE. Sorry Burns we're onto you.

Sorry Burns you are associated with the worst of the looting of the BoE by you and your Old Guard pals and being glib isn't going to make anyone forget. But keep blowing smoke. I hope you enjoyed the flowers, dinners and handing out no show jobs and lucrative contracts to friends because those days are over.
http://www.state.nj.us/education/finance/kw/Hoboken.pdf

BURNS!!!

YOU approved all of these expenditures!!!!

where to start...omg! 278 pages of waste - just a few goodies
about 7k in flower arrangements
50 for 157 cell accounts and walkie talkies
outsourcing janitorial services of 90k for day to day services (while you had 60 janitors on staff and 1mm in overtime)
tens of thousands in rancy restaurants and catering for board members and staff
6k for assorted beverages in the district office
4k for 32 assorted coffees for the teachers lounge
500 for 32cases of snapple
1200 to pay for Cravens traffic violations (speeding tickets? really?)
1100 to pay for damge to someone car?
15k is rings for the football team???leather jackets???50 uniforms for 24 kids?? btw, Is that the same ring raia wears on his finger- di you guys pay for that as well???
Donations to various benefit dinners (at 1k a table???)
And this is the small stuff....
Page after page of audit notices that say- no documentation of expense- not appropriate, does not aid in educating students, money paid before contact approved and services rendered- THAT IS A CRIME, BURNS!!! People go to jail for paying money before services are rendered, BURNS! It's illegal, BURNS! and you approved all of this!!!

Really burns??? Really? You are a disgrace!

There is a whole lot more with big ticket costs on that audit- No wonder you guys never presented the audits.

Seriously Burns, if half the stuff Pied is saying is true, that is inexcusable. Flower arrangements? Steak dinners? Snapple? Outsourced cleaning services when you have too many janitors? WTF were you smoking?

This is a favorite strategy by Kids First and Zimmer supporters-- whenever they are pushed to be accountable for current failings they point to something from years ago and take it out of context. Meanwhile-- trying to avoid substantive conversations like the miserable failure the CAPA report shows for Connors School--- after 3 years of Kids First leadership.
I'm watching the BoE meeting from Feb 14 right now--- unbelievable how Ro Markle just takes time away from people to speak and the incredible disrespect Ruth McAllister shows for each speaker barking out "1 minute"--

Paid liar Lane Prosbus-hq: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2443563

Paid liar Kim Curiousgal: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2441917

Presently 466 out of 538 districts with budget elections have switched to November elections. Don't waste your time listening to paid liars.

Give it up Probus! Your people had their shot and this audit explains everything they did and what they plan to do when they get back in those seats.

It's no wonder it is taking years to clean up the mess they created. You people should all be ashamed of yourselves. Disgraceful. Millions of dollars of "untracable" expenses- no documentation, no approvals, nothing! Hiding students and not allowing them to take state tests to boost the scores! Removing remedial and other support classes so board memebers could dine at fancy resruarants and pass the $1200 bills onto the kids.

That was money your people stole from the children and taxpayers of Hoboken. That money could have been used for the kids!!!

gettheboozeout44... urp... nice try at burying the link.

Oh, the lines between the thievery from Connors and your thieving friends shall be drawn.. let's see how much of that Gateway equipment your buddies ordered for Connors ever made it there... cause if it did, that's one awesome computer lab they've got.

Lots more to come.- here's the audit from the Burns-Raia Era: http://www.state.nj.us/education/finance/kw/Hoboken.pdf

Calling all a-holes: man up the troops! Attack the messenger so the message doesn't get out!

Bring it on.

Oh, and I KNOW the kids are getting a good education cause mine is one of them. It's a-holes like YOU trying to scare folks away from the public schools AND activist parents (like me) so you can get your piggy hands back on the $$$,

NOT HAPPENING. Boo hoo.

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/02/new-feature-old-guard-oinkers-at-boe.html

Is that your defense against that scathing audit and all the waste it uncovered? Pathetic.

Well, of course it is ! Afterall, they are all about slamming the schools to keep people away so they can hide the issues and continue to pillage the student bank account. Parents, on the other hand have a vested interest in finding out the issues and providing a plan to get the issues corrected.

Different approaches for much different reasons.

Very similar to the "dont look here- everything is just fine!" attitude regarding the the boys and girls club (and for that matter; the missing quarters). Meanwhile, the kids and parents want the programming they used to have. They want to find out what the issues are and have them corrected.

*Sorry for the dropped words

"Am I naive enough to believe that it would be fast or easy? No."

Now about the audit. As IT staff at a company, I'm very disturbed. The data security practices alone would make me think about reevaluating someone's employment.

One of the things I do is asset management. I know where over 400 desktops and laptops are. I know when the leases expire. Does anyone know where the 40 computers bought for Connors are?

Because I used computers to help with my education, I know they could be an asset to a student, if they have not been misappropriated.

We should also be moving this valuable conversation elsewhere because it has nothing to the B&G club.

Every grade, every subject area in Connors scored below proficient on the state testing. Kids First has been in charge since April 2009.

Congratulations, prosbus!

When do we throw your Farewell Party here on the message boards?

Name-swapping won't hide those fangs.

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/02/hired.html

Paid liar Lane Prosbus-hq: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2443563

Paid liar Kim Curiousgal: "63% of the school districts in the state of New Jersey have no plans of moving their April elections. They want you to believe moving the elections is VERY popular. It isn't. Not even half the districts are doing so. But, the lies and smears continue."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-school-board-proposed-to-move-election-date#comment_2441917

Presently 466 out of 538 districts with budget elections have switched to November elections. Don't waste your time listening to paid liars.

Journey- You are assuming the the schools were "failing" in 2007, 2008, 2009 yet objective data disproves that assumption. Rather, it is in Kids First best interest to portray the schools they inherited as "failing" and "systemically bad" or like your analogy of the weeded garden, since it relives Kids First and their supporters of being responsible for not only the lack of improvement but actually the regression of the public school system in Hoboken. As I said, this is well documented but runs contrary to the narrative. The same strategy is used in City Hall with the city council.
Kids First used an aggressive attack mode against the prior administration dismissing accomplishments at every opportunity. Superintendent Raslowsky was less than 3months into his first full year as superintendent and Board President Theresa Minutillo was decrying her "disgust" at the public schools in Hoboken. Yet, we constantly hear, "let's give Toback time and support..."
As has often been quoted, under Kids First, over 90% of all students in Hoboken now attend a school that has failed to meet minimum adequate yearly progress as defined by the state and NCLB. When they took over in 2009, that number was less than 15%. Yes, things were better in 2007, 2008, and 2009 AND they were getting better.

Well obviousely if you want to use a reactionary approach to education, sure wait till kids fail tests before you get concerned.

A feel a proactive approach is better. And proactively I saw cause for concern in 2007 and voted accordingly.

Presented in sept 09....based on Raslowskis years.
"Scores diving"

Standardized test scores from grades 3 through 8 dropped AGAIN this year, according to numbers released by the district last week.

Scores in language arts dropped from a 78.8 average in 2008 to a 66.2 average in 2009; math scores dropped from 64.1 in 2008 to 52.5 in 2009.

The district has invested stabilization funds into teacher training to assist in meeting test score proficiency, and the professionals who trained the teachers are now entering the classrooms to assist with implementation, according to Carter.

Read more: Hudson Reporter - SCHOOL AUDIT Student money reimbursed teacher for lost iPod Board of Ed hears details of negative audit and test scores officials resign

Once again:
During the 2009 audit and test score presentation- that somehow was erased/editted/went missing for viewing on TV due to Ricciardi's mistake, It was found that Wallace, Calabro and Conners was in sini/failing ayp.
Again, this was under Raslowski/Petrosino's tenure. They removed remedial classes, cut out classes, used the moeny to fund their friends and wasted a whole slew of student money. They took the district from 1 school failing AYP and placed 3 schools into failure of AYP and now come and scream about three schools not making AYP. You can't make this stuff up!

prosbus,

I would not call the data objective. The data you are using for your assessment is selective data. Of course things will look lovely when you put on those rose colored glasses blinders built in and only look at a selective collection of information.

I as tax payer and future parent was not comfortable with what I was hearing about Connors, where based on info from 2006 I thought might be good school for my child one day.

They might not have been failing, for example a child that does poorly on the first test in September, might not fail the year. The child is not failing yet. Things could go either way.

It seems the board back then was doing stuff I really question and not seeing the warning signs and taking a proactive approach.

Where are the 40 computers?

Journey- data obtained by test scores and evaluation by the State Department of Education IS objective data---whether it conforms to your definition of not.

As for pied piper-- we cannot have a conversation on this topic for you refuse to recognize the data from the state which indicates in spring 2009 only Connors was a school in need of improvement. As for the test scores you site from Sept of 2009--- they are higher than the test scores NOW. Peter Carter assured the public the scores would go higher under his watch--- and they went down for 2 years in a row. Again, this too has been referenced many times online--

Prove to that all children were tested. Every child. Explain the strange drop in 11th grade enrollment, and the uptick in 10th and 12th grade enrollments. What happened to those 11th graders? Those enrollment numbers have anomalies that need to be explained because to be that far out of the standard deviation there has to be a cause.

prosbus, say "Cheese!"

http://i44.tinypic.com/o03pxs.jpg

And those are the same cast of characters who don't want elections in November which is reason enough to make sure we have elections in November IMO.

$1,200 dollars for dinner at Elysian Cafe for BoE members? What the hell?!

Frank, Tburns, Carmelo and Fran were on the Board for years when HHS was recognized as the 2nd most improved HS in the state of NJ and won recognition by US News and World Report. How is the high school doing now? Well, when kids aren't being stalked by intruders who show no ID and get to talk to kids about jobs and meet at abandoned factories, they manage to get a combined under 1200 SAT score (2400 max) and have failed to make adequate yearly progress for the past 2 years. Not to mention the lawsuit former principal Dr. Cella has against the Board. All feathers in the hat of Kids First.

prosbus, now now. Aren't you supposed to keep your nose clean? That's means out of partisan political operative business? Btw, that pic is a perfect likeness.

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/02/hired.html

"bad mama-jamma"? pretty slick, tburns. ;-)

If you really want your head to spin, read the dizzying amount of $$$ you and your BoE cronies DIDN'T spend on education back in 2005 - 2006.

http://www.state.nj.us/education/finance/kw/Hoboken.pdf

What happened to all Gateways that were bought for Connors, tburns? Why did you approve 100 CELL PHONE accounts? ***crickets from the bad mamma-jamma**
Sorry, shooting the messenger wont wash. Nor will revisionist history. You and your Old guard buddies are cold BUSTED. Now tell us about your junket to Atlantic City with Louis Picardo and the AC Guy.

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/02/look-who-went-to-atlantic-city.html

as per above "Scores in language arts dropped from a 78.8 average in 2008 to a 66.2 average in 2009; math scores dropped from 64.1 in 2008 to 52.5 in 2009."
You were on the Board then as were Frank, and Fran.

During that same period, did you or did you not approve all those crazy expenses?

Did you enjoy the $1,200 dinner at the Elysian?

And were all the children being tested, or just the ones that would pass?

Bingo, Journey. That's the key.

Under KF you are seeing actual student performance of the unfiltered population not the 'cooked scores' tburns and the other shills peddle here.

Of course, these $$$-siphoners need to depose KF to start enjoying freebies at Amandas again and taking their buddies on AC junkets. So, they blame the test scores on the School board majority members. Which does nothing to address or help the failing children.

Stealing the school's $$$ doesn't help the failing children, does it tburns?

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/02/new-feature-old-guard-oinkers-at-boe.html

T Burns - I am going to ignore Curioustwit, Dr. P and Prosbus because you can't have an intelligent conversation with imbeciles who thought we only have november elections every four years and then lied about it rather than man up to their imbecilic mistake.

You on the other hand seem to be much more sensible and appear knowledgable about the history of our schools. It would be helpful if you would clarify some things for those of us trying to understand your data.

First - you show per student costs rising from $13,745 to $24,092 from 2004 -2009. Since KF was first elected to the majority in 2009 it would appear that this unconscionable increase occurred entirely on the watch of the people who controlled the board before KF. Please explain why you attribute this increase to KF and also provide data for subsequent years so we can compare KF's performance to the prior Board's abysmal record.

Second - when did the drop in k-12 enrollment actually occur? If it occurred prior to 2009-2010, then it occurred on the watch of the prior Board. If it occurred in 2010-2011 then please explain why you feel a drop that occurred within 5 months after KF obtained its majority was caused by decisions made by the KF team.

Third please explain what you believe is a reasonable period of time that you believe is fair to expect changes made by a school board to generate significant quantifiable changes in results, positive or negative, in the classroom.

Other than the disgust at that audit and the fact that you have the gall to pretend you give a shit about more than a free meal and to hide your legacy of financial incompetence and I would argue malfeasance, I personally am mostly ignoring you. You add nothing but disingenuousness to the discussion.

BTW, I really have to laugh at how you pick and choose numbers like the cost per pupil. I notice that you deliberately didn't mention that KF has actually cut the cost per pupil from $24,827 to $24,092 in just 1 year and all of the increase are complaining about was the blame of the people who ran the board prior to KF gaining control. Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't that make the increase at least in part your fault? I guess that is why I wouldn't expect you to be honest w/ facts like who is responsible for the ramp up in costs from that $13.745 figure you cite back in 2004-05 to the over $24K it was by the time KF was in the majority. It really makes me wonder given your faction's complete irresponsibility w/ respect to controlling costs how much higher than $24K we would be right now if people like you were still on the BOE. Thankfully you folks are on the outs for now but I really fear the day you financial nincompoops ever get your hands back on the BOE.

For anyone that is curious, here is a link to all the spending reports compiled by the NJDOE: http://www.nj.gov/education/guide/

"To summarize, contrary to what the blogging dervishes would have you believe, the Hoboken schools cost more, educate fewer students, and educate them less well. "-- thank you Ms. Burns for the data to support your statements.

And when did this all happen propuss? Before Kids First took over but good try on trying to deflect attention to the fact that T Burns is in part responsible for the out of control costs over at the BOE b/c it happened on her watch.

demosthenes I think since Board President Theresa Minutillo gave former Superintendent Raslowsky less than 3 months before declaring her disgust at the schools and her pronouncement of how it was failing the children of Hoboken, I would say Kids First have already exceeded their opportunity by a number of years (they have been in FULL control of the Board for about 34 months). That they fritted the time away with interims and flawed policies and made numerous personal decisions (like having Peter Carter tell Dr. Cella on Nov 14, 2009 that she would not be getting tenure) is a matter of record. the children and parents have been paying the consequences for years now-- Kids First have clearly failed by EVERY objective measure. I mean, even the QSAC score in INstruction and Program dropped by 20 points last year!!! Horrible-- maybe we need 2 or 3 more charters in this town.

Hello Ms Burns, have you seen some of those junkets that got handed out back when you were on the board? Guess you can sure say things really were "out of control" back then! LOL

Lane says, “TV is fun, and I like to keep my hand in it, but radio is my first love and there’s no better place on the planet to anchor the news than 1010 WINS radio!”

1010 Wins says, "thank you very much, Prosbus!"

Burns, you dope- 09/10 budget was Rasloski's as was the 70/08 and 08/09 and the others prior were Gagliardis. It was your people who caused the pp costs to rise from 13k-24k..waht a dope! But thanks for pointing that out. Now everyone can see exactly who was responsible for the drastic hike in costs.

carter's budgets were 10/11 and 11/12 and toback 12/13. As you will see the drastic spike has completely turned around and gotten lower.

Thanks again for pointing that out- i couldn't have done a better job!
as to your other numbers......give us -1- your enrollment data and other is probably all from petro and your scores only point to the fact that there were issues then.

Your wasteful spending on dinners and flowers instead of textbooks and resources for kids is a disgrace. Though I am not surpised at your total lack of any conscience.

Btw,i noticed that those numbers werent provided on the njdoe website- Where is the link for these?

Oh and what do you have to say about your approval of and participation in the absolute abuse of students funds for your extravagant dinners, vacations and payoffs?

Board President Minutillo made those "disgusted" comments in the fall of 2007. The audit report you have been referencing came out in 2008.
The point being-- Kids First simply needs to stand up to the same scrutiny and critique that they utilized as they obtained political power. Believe me-- in many ways it is EASIER to be in the minority and point out what those in control are doing "wrong" than effect real change. Kids First rose to power on that strategy. How does the saying go, "you live by the sword...???"

Hello prosbus, there are some very funny pictures of you floating around the Internets today. Thank you very much. prosbus!

The audit was referencing the 2005-2006 school year.

Lane caught the radio bug very early. “When I was 10 I started calling a local radio show geared toward kids and contests. The host told me I had a good name for a newsman. At that time I wanted to be a DJ, but he turned out to be right.” Lane got his chance to spin some records at his first radio job at WKIP in Poughkeepsie before switching over to news very early in his career. “I was the evening newsman who left reports for the morning. One night I got a call from the News Director of WEOK and WPDH with an offer I couldn’t refuse: my own half-hour long 5pm Newscast and the chance to do afternoon drive reports on the #1 Rock station.” Lane was later promoted to News Director and Morning Anchor, a position he held until joining CNBC full time in 1996.

Lane says, “TV is fun, and I like to keep my hand in it, but radio is my first love and there’s no better place on the planet to anchor the news than 1010 WINS radio!”

Cheaper than paying people like Pa Russo when they sue for no reason.

prosbus, say "Cheese!"

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2005 - 2006 audit attorney's fees:

365K (approx) in-house fees
100K paid for workman's comp settlements

TOTAL legal fees in the RAIA-BURNS-GARCIA-KEARNS era...... 465k... YEP

FOUR-HUNDRED-THOUSAND-AND-SIXTY-FIVE DOLLARS in legal fees from 2005-2006 under the Old Guard

You can't make this stuff up.

I agree, Tburns and her conduct on the BOE are "out of control"!

Smile for the camera, prosbus!

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See I told you. I'm really on your side. This is a crime, it's a travesty, it's a cryan shame.

Please vote for me. Thank you.

You tell her, GIRLFRIEND!

You are hilarious! so 574/3=
191k, inclusive of judgements.
vs
465k, inclusive of judgements

uh- this is hard one....who would you prefer???

Well, we know who you'd prefer- the more cash you can give out to buddies, the better.

The saddest part of that 191k per year,atleast 100k of that cost was to defend the 4 bogus suits filed by the hvac repairman, Mezzina,(non renewed supt) Petrosino, Michael Holmes and (non renewed principal) Cella.

you guys keep suing the city with bogus suits then complain about the costs...Can't make this up.

AND

None of that info is published anywhere- Getting confidential docs again, Burns????

Finally, What do you have to say for yourself and your past abuse of the student money stolen from the children of this district?

tburns, it ain't fair
To pull numbers from the air
No one can trust
a trustee who lusts
for money from schools
siphoned by fools
it ain't pretty
to spend our kids' money in Atlantic City
with Picardo and that HVAC Guy
cause that audit didn't lie
you ought to feel shame
but instead you blame
the people in your the way
of a new payday
and make our meetings ugly and raucus
can't you just stay in Secaucus?

http://www.state.nj.us/education/finance/kw/Hoboken.pdf (source- post YOURS)

So let's do the math. Let's say the audit uncovered a conservative $500,000 in waste and grift. It's just a sample, so let's say it was actually $1,000,000 (tburns, you probably are laughing at how low my number actually is). Now, I'm sure this went on each and every year. So we have to pay $574,173 in legal fees to rid ourselves of a $1 million A YEAR cancer, because these pigs won't go away without one more shot at the trough. Sounds like a bargain to me. Hope the steak was good while it lasted.
Now lets assume CG's trumped up charge about failing to meet progress is right. I'd gladly vote against KF, but I'm not voting for any of these crooks to have another steak dinner on my tax bill.
And as for Pupie for mayor? That'll be fun.

My goodness, johnsmith. Do read the payroll analysis... how many $1,200 dinners could one buy with the $6 MILLION paid out to the 117 employees paid AFTER termination!

Get the scam? Hire, then fire... but don't stop cutting checks!

And we haven't gotten to the dead people yet! The BoE is a great place for dead people to find work... when tburns' people run the show.

More goodies to come... Stay tuned.

Imagine! the board approved paying for their own dinner.

Talk about conflict of interest!

You can't make this stuff up-

First Bob, if you read Hoboken411 every day and you should, you would see that Beth Mason has never helped anyone fall out of a window and doesn't steal anything for herself. She doesn't need taxpayers money just helping others find their way to it like the Russo crime syndicate.

Please vote for me for 1010 News Director and Beth Mason for everything she runs for, whatever it is.

Oh I am sure Burns will be FURIOUS at the school board meeting this evening! All that drama for the TV. She'll go on and on- yelling like a yahoo- cause the $$$$, dinners at Frankie and Johnies and Hotel stays at Trump Plaza are no more and it aint lookin good for her beau and his buds, to get them back in Nov, either...
Imagine if someone ,at the meeting, pointed out a few of the violations that this woman has perpetrated on the students of this district- Ya know, for perspective of whom is screeching and what they are screeching about...That would be comedy

I'm pretty sure I heard it was a roof not a window.... unless I'm thinking of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBHZFYpQ6nc

How Frank "Pupie" Raia's got rich is part of the folklore of Old Hoboken.
:-)

persianbushyeyebrow... I can't find your eyebrow on your portrait:

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That's funny because Mrs. Prosbus is now officially a DISTRICT IN PERPETUAL STATE of TRULY INSANE CLUELESS KIM (DIPSTICK).

Actually, its not funny at all Bob R--- ruining the future of children by supplying inadequate education is not even a little funny and neither are your cute little pithy responses.

Then you should stop voting for and supporting people who lie, cheat, steal and are so busy stuffing their faces at taxpayer expense at some steak joint and hiring people for no and low-show jobs that they don't have the time or energy to focus on running the schools, investing in textbooks & training or educating the children.

stay focused Redrider--- this is not yesterday, this is today. The topic is Hoboken is a District in Need of Improvement. First time ever. Fully under Kids First leadership. No steak dinners. Ok, got it? Stay focused. Now, tell us how we can blame Hoboken being a DINI on anyone BUT Kids First---

Good one Nancy--- but the district is still designated a DISTRICT IN NEED OF IMPROVEMENT. and its based on test scores and academics completely under the watch of KIDS FIRST. Accept responsibility for the people you support--

Lane (Bajardi) caught the radio bug very early. “When I was 10 I started calling a local radio show geared toward kids and contests. The host told me I had a good name for a newsman. At that time I wanted to be a DJ, but he turned out to be right.”

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Bob R- put your money where your mouth and file a criminal lawsuit if you feel compelled to do so. The reality is it would go nowhere. But, if you feel strongly about it--do it. I have no issue.
What I do have issue with is that Hoboken is now an entire DISTRICT in Need of Improvement. This is gross incompetence and it is ENTIRELY on the shoulders of Miinutillo, Markle, McAllister, Gold, etc.... their arrogance and ignorance are a LETHAL combination. Oh--have I already used up my 2 minutes?

Hey Bob, don't get Lane upset. He can't control himself. HISTORY of VIOLENCE and GETTING ARRESTED at BOE meetings.

http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ssf/2010/04/hoboken_police_blotter_hoboken_3.html

Lane says, “TV is fun, and I like to keep my hand in it, but radio is my first love and there’s no better place on the planet to anchor the news than 1010 WINS radio!”

http://i44.tinypic.com/o03pxs.jpg