Mayor Wants St. Pat's Parade Day Moved To a Wednesday; 34 Arrests Made This Year
Mayor Dawn Zimmer and public safety officials held a press conference on Tuesday afternoon.
The Hoboken Police Department arrested 34 people during the St. Patrick's Day Parade this year—nine more than in 2010—Mayor Dawn Zimmer announced on Tuesday afternoon. She also said that because of the unruly drinking and two alleged sexual assault cases over the weekend, the parade will be held on a Wednesday next year.
The city issued 296 summonses, the mayor also announced. The city wrote 115 summonses for open containers (down from last year's 154), 32 summonses for drinking publicly (down from last year's 77) and 40 for unruly houseparties (down from last year's 51). The number of summonses issued for public urination went up from 41 last year to 59 this year, Zimmer said.
"Despite our best efforts," Zimmer said, the drinking after the parade was "still out of control." Zimmer also mentioned two alleged sexual assault cases, of which one is currenlty under investigation by the Hudson County's Prosecutor's office. Some of the "efforts" the mayor referred to were the $2,000 fine and the zero tolerance policy.
The mayor also mentioned that a group of fire fighters was harassed by intoxicated people throwing beer and flowerpots at them on parade day.
Fire Chief Richard Blohm said that the fire department broke up 28 house parties on Saturday, as well as 21 more with the help of the Hoboken police. Although the fire department responded to more than 80 calls, Blohm said, only one fire occured.
Director of Transportation and Parking Ian Sacs said that the parking utility issued 680 tickets, totaling about $32,000, for illegally parked cars on Saturday.
The mayor said it was still unclear how much the city had spent in overtime on Saturday. The Parking utility, Sacs said, spent roughly $9,000 that day, adding that the revenue generated by his department was about $69,000 (including tickets, parking garages and boots issued).
By moving the parade to the afternoon of a weekday, the mayor said she hopes to curtail the drinking and wants the day to be safe to residents, visitors and city employees.
"During the parade," Zimmer said, "I was proud of Hoboken."
The decision to change the day of the parade is one that can be made by the administration, Zimmer said, and the council does not have to vote on it. Zimmer said she reached out to the Parade Committee.
"I'm not trying to make it so that people can't come," Zimmer said, adding she wants the parade day to be "an event everyone can enjoy."
Redrider765
3:59 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
As much as I like Zimmer, calling BS on this one. She is deliberately scheduling it on a day nobody and I mean nobody will show up.
This is what will happen next year. Next year St. Patty's is on a Saturday and next year the bars will ignore her, hold their St. Patty's celebrations on that Saturday and so will everyone else who lives in town. There will be no parade and just as many drinkers in town at the bars and house parties will be packed and it will all happen on March 17th. But the city will be completely unprepared b/c of a poorly thought through knee jerk reaction and it will be complete chaos.
Delivered Vacant
4:44 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
I am certain Hoboken will be well prepared next year on March 17th. The cops, the firemen, and the sanitation teams did a superb job this year and I am certain they will have their A game next year too.
Delivered Vacant
4:35 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
Good decision. It will maintain the parade tradition while keeping a lid on the heavy drinking which is destroying this fine event.
Mayor, you made a tough decision which demonstrates real leadership.
Hobbs
4:41 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
For the last 25 years bar owners in Hoboken have had two St. Patrick's days to make additional profits.
Every year the post Saturday parade day/night has been a problem though last year better than years before. I don't ever remember having any real problems on the real one.
I would think with multiple party options including the mega celebration and parade in Manhattan on the real St. Patrick's day things in Hoboken will lack the chaos we have seen.
franksinatra
4:53 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
RedRider is right. Just because the parade is off doesn't mean the partiers won't come. Other towns have tried things like this and the party goes on anyway. Dawn is ruining one of the best things about Hoboken. I and my family look forward to the parade each year and now that's over. Few residents are going to be able to watch it on a Wednesday afternoon, except maybe Dawn and the other politicians whose main job seems to be going to parades. And who's going to march? The kids in those out-of-town bands will be in school. Most of the other marchers will be at work. And Dawn is killing the parade on the flimsiest of excuses. Things were not "out of control." There were a few more summonses because there were more cops. The cops had things well under control. And Dawn must stop citing these two "alleged sexual assaults." No charges have been filed. One happened on Friday so it had nothing to do with the parade and only one is under investigation. The other one apparently didn't happen. We elected a mayor, not a nanny.
greenhaven
4:59 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
Why do people assume that because the parade is moved there won't still be zero tolerance and a beefed up police presence the first Saturday in March? My guess is that the City will monitor the situation and make decisions accordingly. The Mayor isn't outlawing house parties on that day - she couldn't if she wanted to and I'm sure she knows there will still be lots of them. The fun will go on - no one can legislate away fun. She's placing a bet that moving the parade will spread out the festivities and help make the day more manageable. Maybe "Hoboken St.Patrick's week" instead of Day. The bars and restaurants might make even more money than now and we can have just as much fun with a little less mayhem. No one knows how this will actually turn out but the current situation pissed off too many people and created too much of a public safety problem to be sustainable.
Redrider765
5:05 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
She isn't moving the parade, she is killing the parade.
KenOn10
6:47 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
What a shame. Who will show up for a Wednesday afternoon parade? Don't blink, you'll miss it.
4321
5:08 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
At least this will save me 250 bucks a year. Now I dont have to put my mom and dad up in a hotel. I guess now I can go stay with them for the parade in Syracuse.
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Marion
5:09 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
there needs to be a change in the culture of the town. that comes from the top. mayor, council, hospitality industry, etc. all of us have two rapes and countless assaults on our hands if we do nothing.
Redrider765
5:10 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
Dave - that starts w/ you not buying votes and stealing elections. Nobody wants "law & order" advice from a person who participated in the Occhipinti campaign.
tonysoares
5:33 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
"Marion"
Can we stop trying to exploit the alleged sexual assault for votes?
Thank you
Hoboken1653
5:24 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
What is Donnie Pellican gonna do??? He'll have to drink alone again and post in the middle of the night!! I hope he's ok with this
donald j. pellicano
10:24 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Of course I'm with drinking anywhere. As long as the bar is not crowded with hooplas.
Oh, I quit drinking in June 1985 - YES JUNE 1985.
And every person of Irish decent will now vote for the opposition.
And I grew up in a almost completly Irish neighborhood, Brooklyn N Y
Ryan Mitchell
5:27 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
The Mayor demonstrated how little she understands about the businesses in the city she runs. While the bars do earn record profits that day, and moving the parade will only hurt them, not kill them. However the effect for other businesses may not be so kind. Will the Mayor offer rent substies to pay August's rent or just have more vacant store fronts? These business owners do not just benefit on parade day, there are more deliveries of food orders on the Friday before and Sunday after. What the city needs to do is embrace this event, shut down the lower half of Washington Street to all cars, and open a few beer gardens. Turn this event into a party that the city can make money on. The city needs all revenue from any possible source. Government is a business and needs to be run like one.
4321
7:12 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
I agree.
You get a handle on the house parties that are off Washington Street and have zero to do with the parade - which the city appears to have done a good job at doing.
This however is not going to keep tourist from Hoboken on this day. Basically you took away supply of a product that is in high demand, a place to park....oh wait I'm getting st patty's and corner cars confused.
Let me try this again - basically you took away a supply of a product tht is in high demand, a place to party. So those in demand were basically left wandering the streets. The city needs to provide more supply ( and parking too! ;) )
I agree - I think the right thing to do is to close portions of Washington Street on this day. I mean, the Arts and Music fest would be crazy too, if everyone had to crowd onto the sidewalks.
But I have always said....all problems have a compromised solution. We have heard the Mayors offer. Now it's time to counter.
Larry Dallas
5:29 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
Zimmer!!!! Not Winnnnnnnninggggggggggg!!!!! Get her out of office and Charlie Sheen in!!!
tonysoares
5:37 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
Okay, let's bring back one of the felon's or the incompetent Dave Roberts who raised our taxes 46%!
Or better yet, Beth Mason who spent 1.5 million to run for office and get crushed 3 times
Crooks, Tax and Spend Hacks or an inept millionaire with no morals....
All over 1 stupid parade you want her out?
David A. Liebler
6:30 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
You can see why Zimmer is trying to do something as it appeals to her base of supporters. Having the parade on a wed would essentially kill the parade and the tradition. The mayor needs to meet with the bar owners, chamber of commerce (as it is not only the bar owners that make a small fortune for the day-the restaurants, fast food joints, pizza places, bagel places and other small businesses as well as the St. Pat committee to resolve some of the issues.
This was not done after last years parade.
Potential solutions:
More porto potties
Consider moving the parade and day to Sunday-will result in less late night drinking and still have the ability to enjoy the parade on a weekend. Due to church-have it at 2:00pm start time.
More conversations instead of knee jerk reactions!
PS. Most of the offenses went down-year over year so there is some progress........
tonysoares
6:39 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
The Chamber of Commerce, perhaps Novak has a suggestion, or did I miss his tweets?
Interesting that when she keeps it on a Saturday, her political opponents like Marcus and Marion, tweet that she's not doing anything to stop the violence, but then she moves it which most candidates suggested and now that's not good either.
Moving to a Sunday when kids have school the next day, people who aren't partying have work and people who leave town for their safety won't have to leave for two days
Putting on a Sunday means the drinking starts on Friday, Saturday and goes through til Sunday.
It's not a knee jerk reaction, it's something worth trying. If it fails, try something else.
David if you owned property here and saw it destroyed in the name of profit for Pizzerias and Bars you might have empathy
The fines do not cover homeowner damages or the Overtime for Police officers to attend court for the summons they have to issue.
Fireman were assaulted. For that someone must be held accountable
David A. Liebler
7:13 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
Knee Jerk Reaction! Where are the meetings with the business owners and st.pats committee to discuss the issues? NO communication just PR statements. Firm Stance without cooperation from others is another form of Jamming YOUR REAL Agenda!
What happened to community meetings to discuss things????
Wednesday is NOT the solution.
Have meetings-Gather input-Develop solutions with cooperation from others!
This one will not fly................
tonysoares
7:17 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
David, Last year she had meetings, asked Bar Owners to contribute to the cost , do you know how many bars participated and gave money? Didn't think so but it was less than 15 establishments.
Leadership means taking tough positions.
No business is in business for 1 day out of 365.
I'm sure they'll be just fine
hobokenhorse.com
7:28 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
David, I understand you are committed to being anti-Administration and that's noble work you're doing but on what basis do you claim there's no communication?
The mayor announced a review was under way the other day. She made a review and determination.
Last year she warned that if things continued as they were, the parade would be canceled. She's now proposing to move it where Hoboken families can enjoy the parade. Sadly, if someone was killed I know and you know that the finger would be pointed at the mayor.
And you would be pointing the finger too.
greenhaven
8:22 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
David - why do you feel the bars and restaurants are the most important stakeholders here? Last time I looked the residents of Hoboken were supposed to be the primary constituency of our elected officials, which is why not a single member of your beloved Russo/Mason team will utter a public word in opposition to this decision. The silence from Michael Novak will be deafening. They'll send you out to do their dirty work while they hide with Mama Russo and Mason's consultants and try to figure out what to do now. The strategy was to scream about how bad things were, blaming the mayor for doing nothing while praising the police for their great work despite the evil layoffs that didn't happen, and hope nobody noticed that they were proposing nothing themselves. Kind of like how they've been hoping that nobody will notice that the layoffs didn't happen and the police union contracts were settled by Zimmer on much better terms for the taxpayer. That strategy's done. Can't wait to see the new one. The playbook is pretty limited and like the successful police negotiation strategy, I don't think this one was anticipated when the binder was written. You guys really need to stop underestimating the Mayor and overestimating yourselves.
InfotainMe
8:23 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
Reading is fundamental. Clearly this decision does NOT universally appeal to Zimmer supporters. All you have to do is read the first 2 posts, David. But why start now.
David A. Liebler
8:24 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
Horse I call them as I see them. As much as you say I am Anti-Admin, I can say you have completed gone to "ONE-WAY" journalism. You are no where close to being neutral any longer, as MSV, which I enjoy reading is a ONE-WAY street of Zimmer propaganda. So stop!
She made a review? With who? Why not bring together all the parties and maybe the community and hash it out. Pro's and Con's and develop solutions together????
In certain areas the parade saw a decrease in problems, so I would say that is a WIN!
The sexual assaults is a very serious issue and I am glad an investigation is under way.
Hoboken families can enjoy the parade!!!! Stop drinking the Kool-Aid!
NO families are coming out on a Wednesday!
Most people work for a living and the weekend is the time to enjoy these types of events.
Saturday or Sunday....pick one as the weekday will never fly!
Calm people sitting in a room identifying all the issues and developing an action plan to combat should be the next course of action. Not some Knee Jerk Reaction to gain some public opinion.
greenhaven
9:19 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
David - what day of the week is the real st. pat's parade in NYC? I'll give you a clue - 70% of the time its on a weekday and 14% of the time its on a wednesday. Such a silly City - they have no idea how to run a parade! And she should bring "all the parties" and maybe the community together? Who exactly are the parties that you refer to who should have a seat at the table while the "community" gets only a maybe? And why do you seem to believe that the job of the mayor is always to get together with David Liebler's friends (read sponsors) to ask them what she should do? Please look up the word "leadership" in the dictionary before responding. It will help to avoid having to provide the dictionary definition to you later.
hobokenhorse.com
9:30 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
David,
Let me point out that MSV was first last January more than a year ago to sound the alarm on concern about the lack of seriousness in our government regarding the parade. Later there was a lot of effort expended to bring additional manpower to the city and try to make it safe and hassle free for residents. MSV held everyone in government accounting from the mayor to the City Council.
It hasn't worked out and the mayor made the call. You don't have to like it and neither do I, but that's how it works when grown ups are in charge.
And for the record, I disagree on the rent control passed and blame the mayor and the City Council for approving it. My position has not changed since my editorial was posted earlier.
Now when are you turning State's evidence on Tim Occhipinti? The NJ Attorney General needs all the information on his campaign's massive election fraud. C'mon do it for Hoboken.
I will buy you dinner if you stand up for Hoboken. See if you can bring some others to see the NJ AG too.
tonysoares
9:39 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
David you are hardly objective here. You are the owner of eatdrinkhoboken.com.
And while you have every right to your opinion and should stand up for your business and the right to earn a living, you should respect the fact that most of the taxpayers and homeowners here don't work in the bar industry and are tired of forking out 100's and thousands of dollars in repairs on their property, condo hallways, cars and security detail for their homes.
The Bar industry isn't covering them.
The Bar industry is a great thing for Hoboken, but the past few years it's gone too far.
Restaurants becoming NightClubs, Pubs becoming discos, Formal restaurants becoming Bar Menu only, Bars with Bar food not serving any food at all...
I happen to love 1 Republic, the burgers there are THE best in town (IMO)
I don't want them to hurt, but at the same time I don't want anyone to be physically hurt or killed.
I also don't want to hire security at my condo again so a small group of businesses can make a boatload
Redrider765
11:28 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
Tony - the city generates more in fines than it costs to staff extra people on that day. St. Patty's Day is probably one of the few days the city actually generates a profit. If you want the bar owners to pick up the costs, then they should only be picking up the costs AFTER the city recoups what it can from fines. Dawn's position last year was stupid in the extreme on asking bar owners to "pick up the cost" because there was no cost to pick up. And if you have a problem w/ your neighbors damaging the building, I suggest you take it up with them.
And Horse - no there was no communication. The decision was made 3 days after the fact. You know as well as I do that city hall and the business community gossip like old women. Had there been any real discussions, it would have taken time and we would have heard about it well before this announcement.
Personally, I'll be ignoring the city's wishes and be either hosting or at a house part on the 1st and 3rd Saturday in March next year. Screw her, nobody will be preventing me from celebrating St. Patty's and I'll make sure everyone I know celebrates too. Nobody is telling me what I can do in my own home and I bet the bar owners and other celebrants will feel the exact same way.
David A. Liebler
11:54 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
Horse, that is the first time I have ever heard you speak against the mayor. WOW. lol
Ist meeting:
The mayor should have called in her director of public safety, the police chief, the fire chief, the head of the hoboken ambulance corp, the hospital president, the city council, st. pat committee heads, the head of the Hoboken Hospitality association, the chamber of commerce president, the director of parks and recreation and the director of sanitation.
Second Meeting:
Public Meeting
The mayor would be more impressive if she had better communication before knee jerking PR statements without consulting the community and the owners of our businesses.
NO one mentions that many owners of actually live in Hoboken as well.
Not to mention that Mayor Zimmer has been recently actively talking about how to increase tourism to Hoboken. Nice way to kill it!
No one wants St. Pats Day to be a day of reckoning. But there are ways to control it.
Easy Step One:
Each bar owner needs to provide 5-10 porto potties.
The town provides 100 porto potties.
NOTE: Has anyone ever been to the Far Hills Hunt. Tons of Drinking. Tons of Peeing.
300+ Porto potties. Not a problem.
NOTE: New Orleans has tons of bars, drinking, tourist and problems. We don't want to be New Orleans, I get that, but maybe we can learn some lessons from other cities. Have the director call them.
With all the people I mentioned above, they should be able to sit in a room and develop a sound solution to limit the problems.
AnneBoelyn
12:47 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
D.L.,
For real? First of all, I'm not sure of the number of families who will be crying that they can't get to a Wednesday parade because they are working but I'm guessing I can count them on my right hand. Who cares? Hmmm, a parade they can't attend versus a ludicrous spectacle in which maybe the kids see an hour of the parade but have to be kept inside the rest of the day because some trashy kids from Belleville decide to get drunk and trash the city for 18 hours? Tough call. Not.
Second, this insanity of acting like Zimmer is acting as a dictator and this decision to move the parade comes out of nowhere is disingenuous and naive. 2009 marked an unacceptable zenith in bad behavior at this event. There was a strong, vocal, public outcry by actual taxpayers who live in the City of Hoboken. What did the city and the mayor do? NOTHING. They caved to bars. Completely. Yes, they made sure the whole police force was out in 2010--which helped that year--but they demanded absolutely NO concessions from bar owners. Maybe in 2009 the City could thrown concerned, outraged taxpayers a small bone--say, leave the parade as is and the festivities as is, but don't allow the bars to open at 9 a.m. Maybe they could have moved that to 11 a.m. But they didn't do shit and everything remained gloriously status quo.
AnneBoelyn
12:47 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
And guess what happened? The reputation of this city as a destination to come get piss drunk in grew, as it will each and every year until a meaningful change is made.
Thank goodness someone finally had the sense to say no to this embarrassment. It's ludicrous. It's imbecile.
And for the record, I am not now--nor have ever been--a Zimmer supporter. In fact, I never gave her my vote because I felt she is woefully inadequate experience-wise to be mayor of a town in as desperate financial shape as Hoboken.
Here, she made the right call. In closing, it's simply hilarious that you argue what a travesty it is that families won't be able to attend a fucking St. Patrick's Day parade on a Wednesday. Seriously, that is absurd. No one cares that much.
Julie Steinberg
8:40 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
Fantastic news. I hope it does close down the parade. If people want to have private parties in their own home, please feel free to do so. Mayor Zimmer continues to impress me with her no nonsense attitude and decisive actions.
4321
10:02 pm on Tuesday, March 8, 2011
So here is a question. Does the mayor actually hold the power to approve when and where parades are held, or is this a city council issue?
tonysoares
12:40 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
@RedRider,
The city does not generate more in fines than it spends
Simple fact
Even if that were the case, who pays the deductible on personal private property damage claims?
tonysoares
12:45 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
add: THe police are strained, the fire dept strained and the better the visitors behave the less fines collected.
But the city is nowhere near breaking even.
Police officers are required to go to court many weeks after the summons are issued who pays for that?
Pretty ironic that a fiscal conservative supports spending public money.
32 summonses x 2,000 is $64,000
And not sure if all were for the 2K Max or all will be upheld in Court
If it cost the Parking utility 9,000 for PEO's how much do you think we had to spend on 200 Police officers?
Redrider765
8:31 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
So you are saying summons are way down and the mayhem is better than it was last year and the year before that? If that is the case then the problem is solved and the mayor did this for 1 and only 1 reason, she doesn't like St. Patty's Day. A better behaved St. Patty's Day is something to be improved on, not cancelled.
You also seem to have forgotten we also issue about 10x as many parking tickets, boots & tow jobs on St. Patty's Day Saturday than we would any other Saturday in March. Ask the PA how much cash they brought in that day and add that to your total. You also have your citation numbers wrong. 115 citations were issued for open containers (115 more than any other day of the year), 32 for public drinking (32 more than any other day), 296 citations in total (probably a good 250 more than any other day of the year). Do your math over and use real numbers. We made money that day, a ton of money.
We get it, you dislike St. Patty's b/c of the jokes directed at you personally. Lets stop pretending you have any other reason for disliking this particular day.
InfotainMe
6:32 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Good question, GHIII. I don't know what she can do by fiat.
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I think this is going to be used as a wedge issue by her opponents either way. They would say she was allowing 24 hour bacchanal if she left things where they were. (Note: massive idiot Marion above blaming her for the sexual assaults.) Or they would say she over-reacted and abandoned local businesses if she sought to move the parade.
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We're in the season of the $27million surplus. So consider all facts negotiable.
Redrider765
8:37 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
I suspect the hundreds of people who own or work at the affected businesses (every bar, eatery, restaurant, grocery store, liquor store & deli) in town will just vote for whomever runs against Zimmer. And all the younger people who like this celebration (like me) will be far more apathetic towards Zimmer next election cycle b/c we didn't move to this town b/c we want peace & quiet like in the burbs. If we wanted peace in quiet, we'd have moved to someplace boring like Edgewater.
tonysoares
8:46 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
We didn't make money that day because we had the entire POLICE Dept on duty!
We don't have that ANY OTHER DAY OF THE YEAR!
RedRider, It has NOTHING to do with the jokes directed at me personally!
That's offensive.
I'm 46, I've lived in NY, other towns in NJ- ALl have ST Patrick's Day Parades.
I marched in 8 Hoboken St Pats Parades as a Councilman with no troubles.
I can take a joke.
What I can't take is my property being destroyed.
To suggest that it's my height/disability is to distract from the issues I sincerely expressed
4321
9:41 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
I really would have thought the Mayor would have let the vocal minority calm down. Then sit with the business owners, parade committee members, other public officials and come up with a decision AFTER the election season.
While a majority of Hoboken will not support the moving of the parade to a weekday, the crappy news is that 85% of those that actually enjoy the day, ARE NOT REGISTERED TO VOTE.
Redrider765
11:03 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Tony, you complain about persecution of people w/ your disability every St. Patty's Day. Spare me your self righteous indignation. We all know you hate that day. But the next time you complain about Leprechaun jokes or the term midget, I'll remind you of how "you can take a joke".
And as I said - do your math again. We generate enough in fines and $ from the PA to cover the extra staff on duty that day and if the level of violations are down so much this year that this was not the case (as it was in previous years) then that means the celebrations were well in hand and we did a better job of making it safe.
Anyway, it doesn't matter what happens b/c on 3/17/12 the people who come out to celebrate St. Patty's will ignore Zimmer and there will be just as drinking just as much of a need for extra staff on duty. But at least there will be no $2,000 fines (and probably no coordination b/w the business community and the city or any planning at all so complete chaos will reign all day).
Skylar
9:12 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
MOVE THE PARADE TO WEDNESDAY! ENOUGH SAID!
Hobbs
10:28 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/nyregion/09hoboken.html?_r=1
tonysoares
10:38 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
So much"business advocates" on here for caring about Commerce:
From the Times article:
Other merchants were less enthusiastic. Owen Miller, who works at Tunes, a record store, said he had to handle crowd control for the barrage of people coming into the store in search of a bathroom on Saturday.
One reveler stumbled in, knocked down a display of pins on the counter and asked Mr. Miller if he would like to fight. When Mr. Miller, 20, replied that he would not, the man asked him why not, Mr. Miller recounted.
“I said, ‘Because I’m working,’ ” Mr. Miller said. “He just shook his head and kept saying, ‘That’s so weird.’ ”
Guess Tunes should be happy they can offer free bathrooms for someone else's profit
Redrider765
11:04 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Please, it is the busiest day of the year for most businesses in town. You cite some record store as your example but for every store that shuts down or sees a reduction in sales b/c of the parade, there are 3-4 restaurants, bars, eateries, groceries, liquor stores, bakeries & coffee shops that see a massive many-fold increase in sales. Most of these establishments were open all day and had consistently healthy sales throughout the day. Any other Saturday in March they are half empty most of the day. I even saw people stocking up on food the night before. We had thousands of people from out of town, come to this town and spend their money here. It was a huge positive for the vast majority of businesses open in town that day. Wow, a record store that sells almost nothing almost every day of the year had some problems that day. But I bet even they had more shoppers spend money in their store than usual even if those shoppers were half in the bag.
David A. Liebler
11:00 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
What happened at the record store, probably happened all day at other merchants. The bathroom situation is a nightmare for people coming into town. Again, this is an easy fix. Just bring in more and set up a few areas in town where you have a many of them stationed, then hold the owners responsible to bring in 10 each of their own. You can not expect 10,20,30,40,50k people coming into town for a day and think we have the bathroom situation handled with a few porto potties.
You need 100 at the path.
100 uptown
5 -10 on each block min
This is part of a conversation and meeting of the minds.
We have a bathroom problem.
Solution, we get more.
Who pays for it-town and the business owners split the cost.
Case closed. Next issue. House Parties?
Noise violation or the like:
1 st offense $5,00
2nd - $2,000
The parties are and have been out of control for years. Surprised no one has fallen off a roof yet.
Hit people who want to let their parties go out of control in the wallets and they will start listening.
The city should be happy that IAN and his team increased revenue for the day. Great!
The city should focus on increasing revenue.
Killing a parade does not do that.
tonysoares
11:12 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Red when you read the numbers from real sources and not your speculation we can debate this
tonysoares
11:14 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Will the Businesses pay for the Porto johns David?
Will you?
I know as a taxpayer I'm paying and paying for clean up aroundy building
Tell me how that helps real estate?
FAP
11:15 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
David I assume EatDrinkHoboken will be paying for the hundreds of port-o-john's you're suggesting? On behalf of the city I want to thank you. When can we pick up the check?
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David your solutions are always someone ELSE should pay more. It doesn't fly and it's why your warped "solutions " are constantly rejected by anyone who hasn't sustained a massive head injury.
David A. Liebler
11:33 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Ford... yeah that's what I said. Your constant obsession with attacking me with these stupid remarks just shows people how truly low class you are. You can't even have sensible dialogue without putting your foot in your mouth. Your comments are ridiculous and juvenile.
The Mayor needed to hold a series of meetings with the town and the people that are directly effected with this day. She decided not to do this and make her own decision. We will see if that one sticks.
In regard to your idiotic comment about EatDrinkHoboken and paying for porto potties.
That is just stupid. Since when should a website pay for such an item? No sense.
I did suggest that the business owners, when they can get a meeting with the mayor, sit and discuss how they can resolve this issue and contribute to additional porto potti's.
But that would take grown ups sitting at a table and discussing things.
David A. Liebler
11:21 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
first of all tony I wanted to say how impressive it is to see you blog in your own name! God only knows what "other" names you have been blogging in the past, but not to regress, kudos to you for blogging in your own name. Now the public can honestly see who is speaking and your point of view.
As I mentioned in the previous post, the city and the hospitality industry should meet and discuss this issue. I do feel the hospitality industry needs to assist in covering some of these expenses. No doubt.
But this would take meetings, conversations for adults and compromises.
NOT Knee Jerk reactions to appeal to voters at election time.
This does not show cooperation and consideration to our business owners in town or the general public. Where is the open and transparency of holding a meeting?
PR, PR, PR and more useless PR. Not buying it. Kool-Aid doesn't taste to good on this one.
Hobbs
11:23 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Mayor Zimmer has drawn a line in the sand and sent a clear message that she "wants' to move the St. Patrick's parade to a week day to prevent the chaos that now surrounds it.
It is within her power as Mayor of Hoboken to move or end the parade. There is many very good reasons to do either.
It is now a very clear to those who want to continue to keep the parade and keep it on a weekend. Come up with a better plan to drastically control the chaos or end it.
If the business community that profits from the having a second St. Patrick's Day and a parade on a weekend then it MUST be willing to pay the entire cost of the entire weekend and find a way to compensate those have had their property or businesses damaged.
Trite suggestions like more porta sans may help but will not fix the problem and the problem MUST be fixed one way or the other,.
Redrider765
12:15 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
The city must give a true accounting of ALL the money they generate from vendor licenses, parking violations, booting cars, parking in the daily lots & the hundreds of citations passed out on that day and how much they incrementally spend that day on manpower to have that conversation with bar & restaurant owners. I had this conversation w/ 1 bar owner a couple months ago and as far as they are concerned, they shouldn't be asked for a dime until the city spends more than it makes. From what I understand, it is their opinion that the city makes $ on St. Patty's. You need to prove w/ numbers the city doesn't if you intend to hit them up for $. To this day, the city is unwilling to do this and has just asked for bar owners to pick up the costs while the city keeps all the revenues collected. If the city is not out any money after all that revenue, then it doesn't cost the taxpayers anything so why ask anyone for $? Would you pay? Use your head. The city collects hundreds of thousands in revenue from all the above sources (and it can always fine/charge more if it needs more $). I count over 200 citations up in the article that could result in a $2,000 fine. Even if it is reduced to only $1,000, that is $200K just there. How many parking tickets do you think they passed out? How many cars towed? How many cars parked in city garages? How many temporary visitor permits were sold and used? Add it all up.
MadisonMonroe
11:37 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
As the Cake Boss crossed in front of the City Hall reviewing stand on the back of a car, the mayor popped out to give Buddy a big hug. The tv cameras were rolling, so I guess we can expect to see that scene in an upcoming show.
Maybe the mayor needs to get her buddy to be the corporate sponsors for Port o Pottys in town on parade day.
If we're taking a vote, I'm all for the parade on Saturday. The mayor didn't live here in the days when Hoboken was a washed up old city (beloved by many, but still washed up). Let's celebrate how great a town this is instead of letting the New York Times call us "lawless." That's the mayor's fault. She should have declared that her cops (and the reinforcements) did an excellent job of controlling tens of thousands of revelers, which is the truth. I saw cops everywhere doing a great job in a very patient way.
She admitted to the world that she can't handle the job. There's not another St. Patty's parade for a year but she had to rush in and declare defeat three days after the parade. Should have let it simmer down, Mayor. The time to decide on the parade is in August, not March
Hobbs
11:57 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Actually she very clearly told the world she could handle the job. :-)
Time for the bar owners and business community in Hoboken who want to keep their cash cow alive to step up or shut up !
Scott M. Siegel
11:41 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
I was hoping for Sunday.
davidd
2:27 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Me too.
tonysoares
11:41 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
David please stop the petty personal attacks
I NEVER blogged on here by any other name
So stop with your LaneLike false allegations
I like the day except the damages
As for Red
Well red if I hate St Pats day because of your misunderstanding of my complaints regarding 411's fake ads well why us it I don't whineabout Chrustmas
Find the posts where I say it's because I'm hurt?
It the Exploitation by asses like 411 who make me mad
Not bagpipers
Redrider765
12:24 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Dude - you are positively giddy about this attempted cancellation (and yes - this is a cancellation) of St. Patty's. You have posted more on this topic in the last 2 days than all your other posts over the last 3 months combined. You accuse Liebler of having an economic motive (not sure I agree b/c this day doesn't need his help to promote it) but you also have your own personal motives.
pablo godoy
11:42 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
As a bussiness owner I am so happy with this decision every single bussiness owner that I have talk to (that doesn't own a restaurant or a bar) was considering being close next year and so I was ! I can't no think of any other during the year that hurt bussines as much as the drinking that goes on Hoboken St. Patricks day parade !
InfotainMe
11:46 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Pablo, can you give us a little more detail.
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What type of business do you run?
Do you do less business on parade day or simply resent having to deal with the "after parade" ?
tonysoares
11:46 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
David liebler
Ive warned you already stop with the claims
God knows you are wring again
BTW how do you plan to fit 5 Porto jonns on every corner
And what makes you think the drunks wont trash them
And 100 by the path and 100 uptown?
Where on the football field size areas that can accommodate them
Also aren't you in PR and own a website that profits from the day?
Since we're talking honesty here David and you constantly act superior to anyone who disagrees with you
David A. Liebler
11:55 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
I don't know why you hate the St. Patricks Day parade so much Tony. Having it on a Wednesday will not be a solution. We all know that.
Having a Mayor hold a few meetings about this would not have been a bad idea!
EatDrinkHoboken.com does not make a single penny off of the St. Pats day parade or event.
False statement Tony and your "warnings" are funny.
The acting superior comment is also funny, as most bloggers who decide to attack me have the highest sense of superiority. Another false claim.
Hoboken1653
12:10 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
The parade and the partying that has accompanied it are 2 diffeerent things.
I enjoy both. But if you read that laundry list of offenses the time has come to make it harder for mass chaos to occur on the streets. The PD and FD are fed up with it. Personally I am anti-rape so it's pretty simple for me. Change the parade day. I'm sure the first Saturday in March will still be a fun day for bars and parties, but you probably won't get the same level of lunacy as the last few years
Scott M. Siegel
12:11 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
David no one "hates" the parade. It's the drunkenness and boorish behavior afterwards that people have an issue with.
pablo godoy
11:56 am on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
I love parades and I respect them ,But unfortunately St. Patricks day parade has nothing to do with honoring Saint Patrick ,once again if I am wrong please correct me I thought it was a religious day ? I don't recall any other Saint parade ex:Saint Ann causing so much controversy ! I do own a picture framing bussines and after the harsh winter and the economy slowdown all of us (bussines owners) a beautiful day Like Saturday was a zero bussines and just to give you an idea Saturday it's the strongest day of the week for Most of us
tonysoares
12:24 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
David
Perhaps you should READ before you Type!
I dont hate the parade
You are twisting what I said
If anyone who hates it's you
You HATE Zimmer becauseshe didn't hire YOU for the PR position last year right?
In fact one of the very first posts I recall from you was all about that
So again
$5 for you for each post that I wrote about hating this parade
meghan
12:28 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
All of the non-bar businesses along first street had to close on Saturday. So the argument that this is a great day for businesses doesn't really hold true.
I was out with my two year old on Washington street at both 10:30 and noon. There is no way in hell I was going to stay around any longer to have him witness the drunken mess on and around the parade. The parade is absolutely not a friendly place for families, and both Washington and First Streets were a nightmare all the way back to my apartment. Hoards of drunken groups of people screaming, acting like hoodlums were pushing past us.
My friend's two year old stated (once she got back to her apartment) that she didn't want to go outside with all of the party people in green shirts. The poor kid was terrified.
I have lived in Hoboken for 14 years, and did partake in my share of drinking when I was younger and single. I'm not saying people shouldn't have fun, but I do think that the event has become not just a place to come and drink and have fun, but rather a get completely obliterated fest. I have been a frequent attendee at the Hunt in Far Hills - and let's be honest, that itself is pretty much a booze fest with the ability to watch a horse race on the side - but it is also contained in a huge field, and I don't have friends of my neighbors pissing all over the elevators or passing out in my hallways once it is over.
Yay, I may not have to pay to leave town next year! Which most people with kids have to do.
David A. Liebler
12:35 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
To make this event a more controllable situation for all parties involved, it should start at 2pm on the first Sunday. This way the church/St. Pat committee are not offended. 2 pm would be a good start time for a family friendly parade.
Sunday would also decrease the drinking (to a certain level) due to work the next day.
Weekend events in Hoboken are truly the best.
Whatever the number is on increasing the porto potti situation, will only help the peeing problem.
Glad no one is a hater of the parade and the day. I understand it is really all about the drunks and their behavior, I get it and agree. You don't have to own a place in Hoboken to feel the pain of house parties. My building has been a zoo for years, until they really cracked down and limited the house parties to 10 people and made everyone sign in.
This was the best year. Not a problem, not a peep.
Ownership controlled the problem.
Leadership can solve this one as well. But why lead when you can send out 2 PR releases a day with your agenda. Not very open and transparent.
tonysoares
12:44 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
So are you going to apologize for calling us "haters" of the pareade or do just spew whatever fits for a reply?
David A. Liebler
12:53 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Tony you are a character I will give you that. Whatever you want my man. Sorry for calling you a Hater of the St. Patricks day parade. Glad you are not. Looking forward to seeing you march the parade next year. I will even buy you a green beer and reserve a porto potty for you.
Maybe EatDrinkHoboken will donate several porto pottys. I will put one at the Skyline so you don't have any issues with peeing.
Happy to Help you in any way possible.
Keep up the great suggestions.
KenOn10
12:53 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
One irony is that dogs pee all over the place every single day in Hoboken... and that's okay with everyone. But on that one day a year some twenty-five year old suburbanites pee in the street and all of a sudden it's a crisis.
I hope the parade (and the parties) will go on next year.
Scott M. Siegel
1:07 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Dogs generally don't pee in hallways or elevators. Usually not on other peoples property either.
KenOn10
1:33 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Dogs understand property rights? What breed?
Dogs generally pee wherever their owner lets them. In my neighborhood, that means right in front of my stoop and/or right in the middle of the sidewalk. It reeks and it's unsanitary but somehow we as a community accept this every single day... but Zach, Brandon and their buds from West Orange are a Bud Lite drinking scourge that apparently must be stopped.
Redrider765
1:45 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Clearly the building I live in has better behaved people than yours and worse behaved dogs. Take it up w/ your neighbors if you have a problem w/ how they live their lives.
And if there really is that much of a need for bathrooms, there is a simple fix, it is called a port-a-john. They have been used for decades at tailgate parties all over the country where people go to drink, watch games and get blotto drunk.
Redrider765
1:47 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
I literally saw dog crap everywhere for 2 months while all that snow and ice was on the sidewalks. And as that snow melted, it revealed more and more crap. You couldn't walk on some sidewalks without stepping on the stuff. The sidewalks in this town are filthy health hazards. Does the city do anything about it? No, they do nothing so you dog owners let your dogs keep making the problem worse. I swear, we have the nastiest sidewalks I have ever seen in a city. Does anyone here ask that dogs be banned? Of course not, we just ask dog owners be fined for not picking up after themselves (which never happens). Maybe the answer should be the same as that being used for St. Patty's - let's restrict your ability to walk your dog at any time that makes sense. How about we effectively ban dogs from town by requiring you to walk them only during office hours when you are at work on a weekday. No walking it before work, after work or on weekends. I doubt any of you dog lovers who let your dog urinate and shit all over town will appreciate that.
tonysoares
1:20 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
The rain washes pee away
It doesn't fix smashed windows
Replace uprooted landscaping
Pay police OT
Rush to aid a firefighter hit with objects from a roof
5 years ago a few pub owners started the hospitlityassoc and vowed to hire a squad to clean the streetsthey had a photo op and eveything
That was Once
Last year they could fork outmore than about 8,000 bucksto the mayors clean up call
AnneBoelyn
1:58 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Just stepping in to point out something. This dog-hijack is a stupid red herring.
Hobbs
2:01 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
WOOF ! :-)
Danielle Elliot
2:03 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
This statement is not at all on behalf of Patch. This is my personal opinion.
I understand that the mayor wants to preserve the culture of the city, but the reality is that much of that culture is young adults in their 20s-30s that enjoy having house parties with friends. They aren't all renters - many of us pay taxes here, too. We moved here because this city is fun, not because we want to join the stroller brigade or the old Italian regime.
Many of the summonses written were unjustified and the cops were beyond rude. At one point a cop stood outside our door insisting that a girl in a white knit cap had run into our apartment. They had a ticket written to her - but she didn't exist. When we said she wasn't there (there were 5 of us left, cleaning the apt.) they started treating us like idiots.
Yet there were dozens of loud teenagers - many who were joking with the cops that the seemed to be friends with - not getting summons or anything, just crowding Washington Street. I saw cops hugging some of them. Must be nice to be related.
Parade Day is one of the biggest days of the year in the area. I haven't even seen the parade happen in my four years here, but I've always respectfully enjoyed the day while hopping between parties. I feel pretty certain that with or without a parade, those parties will happen on the first Saturday of March for years to come. It's tradition.
Redrider765
2:18 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Consider yourself invited to another party next year.
MadisonMonroe
2:15 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
The NYC parade is 250 years old. They have 250,000 marchers and 2 million spectators. Perhaps our mayor needs to contact Mayor Bloomberg and ask him how NYC prepares for and deals with mischief makers.
I am also dubious about the situation of the firefighters being attacked by spit, beer and flowerpots from a fourth-floor balcony or fire escape. Why isn't there a record of the arrest? Why couldn't the firemen call their police pals and have them come and make immediate arrests? There were sirens wailing all day but I think if the firemen put in a call for aid to their police brethren, they would have gotten immediate response, charged up there and made numerous arrests.
With all the photographers around the city that day, why haven't I seen one photo of a guy or gal behaving badly. I just see lots of smiling faces waving at the cameras. Why don't the homeowners post pictures of the broken windows, ruined landscaping and piles of vomit on doorsteps that other posters have mentioned?
Hoboken1653
3:02 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
MM is a fool. Comparing the NYC and Hoboken parades might be the dumbest thing out of an incredible history of dumb statements. Well done MM, you have outdone yourself
Redrider765
3:21 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
There is no difference b/w dealing w/ an out of control drunk in NJ or NY. But in Hoboken the out of control drunks are tolerated 364 days out of the year (now) so we have a reputation for letting people get blotto without consequences. It is a well deserved reputation. You want to keep people from getting blotto and out of control on that 365th day of the year (St. Patty's) then all you have to do is have no tolerance for idiotic behavior on the other 364 days of the year.
The stuff that happens in this town year round would never be tolerated by the NYPD and that is the difference b/w here and there when it comes to drinking on parade day.
KenOn10
3:22 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
regardless of MM's smarts or lack of same, the points are valid: a) another PD might have better methods for handling troublemakers and b) the fun nazis might have overstated the problem just a bit.
bornandraised
11:52 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
My grandmother was born in this town in 1913 and I can honestly say as long as I've been here I honestly worried less when it was more minorities and middle class. There shouldn't be any day were I should be nervous about having my kids around and when my father who served this community as a police officer has to be bothered by open house parties and wet behind the ear idiots who can't respect anyones property but their parents who would never stand for this. I'd like to see if this was a puerto rican day parade or some other minority, how everyone would tolerate it then. If you should have the right to have fun don't cry when someone catches you pissing on their property and takes the law into their own hands.
Hobbs
9:11 am on Thursday, March 10, 2011
Wrong in so many ways. :-(
tonysoares
8:16 am on Friday, March 11, 2011
I agree with you on this part:
"I'd like to see if this was a puerto rican day parade or some other minority, how everyone would tolerate it then. "
When I was on the City Council we actually got complaints about the small quiet Puerto Rican Heritage Parade that takes place down Sinatra.
It was a harmless event that lasted about an hour
Not a single incident ever occurred during the parade or the small festival that followed, but still the calls came in.
Makes you wonder.
bornandraised1
4:42 am on Friday, March 11, 2011
I don't know why everyone keeps saying this big day of debauchery has been a tradition when as a lifelong resident of 38 years I can honestly tell you that growing up this was never any more significant than any other parade day of the year. I speak for all born and raised when I clarify this. It is only with the new wave of transplants that this day has taken on such an atmosphere. So stop trying to speak for those of us who really know.
tonysoares
8:08 am on Friday, March 11, 2011
First of all you're 38, the parade is 25! You were 13 when it started!
Here we go with the anti newcommer comments again...
You don't have to be born here to "really Know" that's really offensive.
I've lived here for 20 years! I know people who weren't born here and have lived here and raised families here before you were born. So can we stop with the new resident disdain.
It's mostly out of town visitors who cause the problems
bornandraised1
3:28 pm on Friday, March 11, 2011
Okay the point was the parade was never a big deal, and the reason I have anti-newcomer disdain is because they never prove me wrong. I don't care who you know thats raised kids here before my time i'm certain my family goes back to before you can imagine.
Hoboken1653
3:33 pm on Friday, March 11, 2011
So your family goes back in Hoboken for centuries. Congrats. Your ancestors called and they said you were a newcomer to them and you don't know a damn thing about Old Old Old Hoboken.
It's a big world out there. Look around some time. You might like it
tonysoares
3:32 pm on Friday, March 11, 2011
Prove you wrong?
How about the billions of dollars in new investments they brought to the city?
This is a city of immigrants
Nobody owns it more than anyone else!
bornandraised1
3:34 pm on Friday, March 11, 2011
I don't really care about the parade I just despise this attitude every new comer has to disregard what came before them with some sense of entitlement because they make up the monetary majority and through white collar colonialism have run all the old guard out. Yeah I got disdain but you have no idea why. You couldn't imagine.
Journey
3:51 pm on Friday, March 11, 2011
I hate that some people that have lived here for generations do not give new comers a chance, assuming we wish them gone.
I count myself lucky that personally I mostly see this online. I received a very warm welcome from neighbors. Maybe that is because I moved in and adopted this neighborhood, called it home and didn't call my neighbors "BnR". They are my neighbors. One offered that if we need to borrow tools to let him know, (I was striping the paint off our rusting railing). I fixed computer for another (that is what I do for a living) and asked nothing in return. Neighbors look out for each other. When my daughter stopped eating babyfood and I still had jars of it I asked around to see if anyone in the neighborhood wanted it. I didn't do these things because I'm rich and can afford to give things away. My daughter wears hand me down. I bought the babyfood in bulk. I was blessed to have friends that gave me hand me downs. So why should I not help out someone else? I didn't move to a condo with plans to isolate myself from the community. I moved to a condo, in a community.
Have you ever given a new comer a chance to surprise you?
tonysoares
3:56 pm on Friday, March 11, 2011
This is my town just as much as it is yours and your ancestors.
As for every newcomer? WEll, thank the activist (newcomers who worked together with Born and raised residents to preserve Pier A for a Park.
Or work to fight to create historic districts.
Or fight corruption
New and Old born or transplant ALL have a right to be treated equally.
Many newcomers hate Born and Raised attitude that our residency here is not equal to theirs.
The United States had something called Ellis Island, perhaps you should pay it a visit, unless your family are Native American Indians, NO GROUP is indigenous to Hoboken!
tonysoares
3:58 pm on Friday, March 11, 2011
Newcomers didn't run anyone out, many born and raised resident sold out, made millions and good for them!
Take a look at all the Born and raised WHITE COLLAR professionals who own condos in The W, don't sell your own short!
Scott M. Siegel
4:06 pm on Friday, March 11, 2011
C'mon it's not worth giving a bigot the time of day.
bornandraised1
5:44 pm on Friday, March 11, 2011
let me ask you this if your grandmother lived here for upwards of 90 years and had to watch her next door neighbor urinating on her tree is that bigotry or newcomer disdain?
bornandraised1
5:49 pm on Friday, March 11, 2011
As for new school politics and new money reviving the town how come we have to lay off police and threaten to demote firefighters seems like it's old school city hall to me all this so-called money being generated and nothing to show for it.
bornandraised1
5:53 pm on Friday, March 11, 2011
I don't loathe new comers but I doubt that the old woman whose raised two generations and is on her way to pick up groceries is well pleased by the jerkhole kicking garbage bags that our blue collar garbage men have to then pick up. I don't even wanna hear what any politician on here has to infer I'm a little tired of listening to this weeks bulls*#t. By the way I happen to be dating a "Newcomer"
bornandraised1
6:05 pm on Friday, March 11, 2011
Do me a favor and look at the budget battles and tell me what this new money means to me. My family had to sell because they couldn't pay the property taxes so i'm through listening to anymore new money talk. Point blank it's now a great place.....If you can afford it. Please.
bornandraised1
6:09 pm on Friday, March 11, 2011
As for Mr. Soares I could care less how you think I sound and I quote "After years of bad behavior, Soares and Lenz are so adrift in a sea of their own half-truths, quarter-truths, hedging, smears, fence-straddling, side bets, blame-shifting, doublespeak, second-guessing, side-switching, evasions, shafting of friends and allies, and all-around equivocations, that they now cannot find safe haven anywhere.
tonysoares
8:11 pm on Friday, March 11, 2011
Quoting a Defunct blog... well at least we know you aren't a political operative or anything...
Hoboken Consequences
7:20 pm on Tuesday, March 15, 2011
The Hoboken St. Patty’s Day Hooligans are:
Brian J. Londregan, 22, of Monroe Township, was charged with aggravated assault on a police officer and resisting arrest at 2:43 p.m. at 317 Washington St., accused of punching a police officer about the head and body, the complaint says.
Frank J. Vellucci, 23, of Monroe Township, was charged with aggravated assault on a police officer, resisting arrest and hindering apprehension at 2:34 p.m. at 317 Washington St., accused of punching an officer about the head and body, the complaint says.
Justin P. Miller, 23, of Monroe Township, was charged with aggravated assault on a police officer and resisting arrest at 2:43 p.m. at 317 Washington St., accused of punching a police officer about the head and face, the complaint says.
Nicholas Ventola, 25, of Roseland, was charged with weapons offenses and criminal mischief in an incident at 77 River St. at 4:49 p.m., accused of using an aluminum bat to break a screen from a window, the complaint says.
Hoboken Consequences
7:21 pm on Tuesday, March 15, 2011
Scott G. Pichler, 21, of Brick, was charged with aggravated assault at 4:49 p.m. at 98 River St., accused of punching a man about the head and face causing a facial cut that required medical attention, the complaint says.
Shane A. Weigand, 21, of Woodbourne, was charged with aggravated assault on a police officer and resisting arrest at 95 Bloomfield Ave. at 1:25 p.m., accused of grabbing a police officer by the chest with both hands and pushing him, the complaint says.
Jocelyn E. Justiniano, 21, Mountainside NY, obstructing administration of the law, 106 Hudson St, 1:25 AM, accused of allegedly physically interfering with police officers, the complaint says.
Ryan S. Vanderway, 22, West Caldwell NJ, Simple Assault, 1024 Clinton St 4:34 PM, accused of punching a man about the head, face and body, the complaint says.
Alexander G. Santucci, 25 Ocean Grove NJ, Aggravated Assault, 1024 Clinton St, 4:34 pm., accused of punching a man about the head and face and causing injuries that required medical attention, the complaint says.
Hoboken Consequences
7:22 pm on Tuesday, March 15, 2011
Kevin M. McMillan, 22, Bloomfield NJ, criminal mischef, 1024 Clinton St, 4:34 pm., accused of breaking a glass pane on a door and doing in excess of $500 in damage, the complaint says.
Cesar R. Berrios, 27, Rosedale NJ, aggravated assault on a police officer, failing to disperse, resisting arrest, 41 First St. 10:12 pm., accused of punching several police officers, the complaint says.
Jennifer M. Dominguez, 28, Rosedale NY, aggravated assault on a police officer, refusing to disperse, resisting arrest, 41 First St, 10:12 pm., accused of bumping her chest into the chest of a police officer, the complaint says.
Michael Shortell, Carteret NJ, simple assault, 41 First St, 9:30 am., accused of punching a man in the face, the complaint says.
Lauren Herrick, Carteret NJ, simple assault, 41 First St, 9:30 pm., accused of striking a man's arms and legs with her hands and feet during a fight, the complaint says.
Christopher W. Burns, of First St in Hoboken, two counts of simple assault against a man & a women, 41 First St, 9:30 PM., in an incident in which he is accused of punching the man in the face and causing a laceration, the complaint says.