New Hoboken School Board Members Sworn in, Gold Appointed President
The Hoboken Board of Education held its annual re-organization meeting on Monday, for the first time in January.
Tom Kluepfel, Jean Marie Mitchell and Ruth McAllister were sworn in as school board members on Monday night.
Mitchell returns for the second time — she served for a year in 2010 — and McAllister started her second term. Kluepfel is starting his first term on the board.
For the first time in three years, the board also has a new president. Leon Gold, a member of the Kids First coalition, will be taking over the gavel from Rose Marie Markle.
Markle has served the board as president for the past three years. McAllister was re-appointed as board vice president.
The board members all took their oath and the code of ethics was read into the record by the board secretary. A good reminder, McAllister said, of what a board member is supposed to do.
"You serve your weakest constituents," McAllister said on Tuesday morning. "And that is especially true for the board of ed."
In the coming months, McAllister said, that the board will discuss the "school configuration," which could mean that the district will adopt the middle school model. Before that happens, however, the community can expect public meetings in which the different options will be laid out, McAllister said.
PeoplePlease
2:54 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
I remember when I use to get pulled out of bed and dragged to things too. Sorry, kid.
Khoboken
3:17 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
What a miserable person you are.
recallbethmason
9:11 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
well i hope that first comment was just a joke and not someone still upset that the "old guard" lost the election (you might need to get used to that happening more often now that elections are in November and you cannot suppress voter turnout). anyone congrats to all three, we look forward to progress in regard to our schools.
Redwing forever
2:44 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Thank God for Mr. Gold because Big Roe killed the district a Teacher last year did not go to her class to teach for 72 days and did not get in any trouble did not pay money back for stealing time on the tax payers! and still do not know what did the BA do did he take Money ? than the high school the boss Robin Pic Worked in a bar just a few years ago maybe that is why test scores are down for the last 3 year. So maybe Mr Leon Gold can turn it around she is old Hoboken Big Roe Markel we must get rid of here this year.
franksinatra
2:44 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
If Toback tries go back to middle schools he'll get an awful lot of pushback. Four or five years ago the community convinced the school administration to do away with middle schools so their kids could attend their local grammar schools a bit longer. If Toback feels that the grammar schools don't have good enough facilities and services for middle school kids, then the best idea is to move the 7th graders to the high school, where the 8th graders already are. More and more high schools are adding 7th and 8th grades these days. Hoboken High School was built for twice as many kids as it has now, has the big gym and staff that the middle schoolers could use, and it's centrally located. If Toback insists on making the ancient and inadequate Connors building a middle school for the whole town and making the current Connors grammar school kids go to Wallace and Calabro, the outrage and abuse will exceed anything he suffered when he fired Paula Ohaus and Chen-yen Hillenbrand. And if Toback wins this fight, that many more parents will pull their kids out of the public schools, at a time when the district already loses dozens of students each year. Let's hope Toback learned something from the Ohaus debacle.
puzzledone
4:52 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
the district used to lose a lot more students going into 11th grade then it does now. Just sayin'...
Journey
9:59 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Like you know anything. I want a middle school.
PeoplePlease
2:44 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
it's kind of a joke but it's more or less an observation on displaying your son at your school board swearing in ceremony, dressed in a hoodie. This observation comes with no political malice and to be honest I could honestly care less about the politics behind the Hoboken School Board as I don't have a child enrolled in the school, never would and am actually moving out of Hoboken in 4 days.
Khoboken
4:52 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Not funny, actually a pathetic jab at a child (and you are still at in this post), and good riddance.
Grafix Avenger
4:52 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Good riddance.
Both boys are very proud of their moms. They're just kids. No need for a tux and cummerbund.
And both are old enough to read your snark. I hope they don't.
XJS
5:04 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
What do you expect coming from a party animal whose only goal is to save St. Patrick's Day. peopleplease disgusts me.
ThisMeansWar
8:20 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Maybe in your new town it will be explained to you that you have a stake in the schools whether you have a child enrolled or not. Not that you'll listen.
Grafix Avenger
8:20 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
The guy is a disgusting piece of crap. One less piece of garbage in our city.
These are terrific boys and good boys and good sons who love their moms and wouldn't miss that moment for the world. Only a shallow, superficial jackass would say such a thing about somebody's children.
Scott M. Siegel
2:44 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Good luck to Leon and the rest of the new board. Glad to see that KF we seen over the past 3 years.
franksinatra
8:20 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
puzzle, you must know that the ridiculous myth about the high school "losing" 11th graders in order to boost test scores was completely debunked in the Hoboken Reporter. Jason Yoon-Hendricks was pushing that nonsense here on Patch last year and Kids First started pushing it, too, as a way to distract from how far test scores have fallen since they took over in 2009. Somehow the KF reasoning was, the high school isn't nearly as bad as it looks (near the bottom statewide in NJ Monthly) because the school wasn't nearly as good as it seemed before 2008. But unfortunately, the school was as good as it seemed back then. Superintendent and Principal Gagliardi had it firing on all cylinders. 2nd most improved HS in the state, a bronze star HS in US News & World Report (meaning top 10% nationwide when the background of its students is taken into account), a nationally recognized theater program under Paula Ohaus, an excellent IB program, etc. Who got rid of Paula and IB? that's right, KF.
pdq
9:54 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Gagliardi- He was the superintendent in charge during the horrible audits and hiding of the 11th grade students. This is what you describe as firing on all cylinders? Glad the people you support didn't get in.
Journey
10:12 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
I trust the that fish rag about as far as I could through an elephant.
It is free paper, run by reality powers. That paper has it paymasters and it not the readers.
Before Mr. Yoon-Hendricks posted his analysis of the attendance numbers I was concerned about them. So were a lot of people.
You can run, but you can't hide, and that is why Kids First won again.
The schools are giving kids additional tests (Scholastic brand) which I think is helping them find and help the kids that will have trouble with the state tests. The old crew knew which kids not to test, and hid them instead of helping them. For that they should pay some very serious karmic debt.
I doubt Gagliardi had it running so well and without honest numbers how can we ever know?
puzzledone
12:07 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
When you say debunked, you mean that the old board wrote a letter saying it didn't happen? I remember doing a specific statistical analysis that showed a less than 1 in a million chance of the loss of students that occurred being due to random chance. Passkey actually agreed with my analysis, and noone attempted refutation.
puzzledone
12:07 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Please note that my statistical analysis is summarized in the thread here: http://hoboken.patch.com/blog_posts/hoboken-high-school-by-the-numbers If you want to find it, search for significant. To my knowledge, no honest explanation has ever been attempted on the patch boards, the Hoboken education project, Hoboken411, Horse, GA, or any other site for the fact that there is a statistically significant drop in 11th graders for many years in a row. Noone has questioned the accuraccy or veracity of my numbers or analysis. Simply stated, unless someone can give me at least a plausible explanation, I'll stick with the simple solution.
recallbethmason
9:27 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
frank, your facts could be true, i have no idea to be honest so I wont dispute what you are saying. all i can say is the audit done of the school system clearly indicated unusual activities with the money budgeted for the children. was it corruption? was it the old guard paying friends with no show jobs? i have no idea but it did not look good and as a voter i will never vote for those types of people ever again to run my schools or city government. the old ways are over and will never return. time to move forward but without any of the old guard characters. november elections will ensure that a russo or someone similar will never again hold a position in government.
CuriousGal
9:54 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
A more recent audit of the Kids First board (2011 rather than the decade old audit recallbethmason references) showed over $750,000 in uncollected lunch fees and legal fees 3X the state average--- the 2012 audit will find little progress has been made. Under Kids First HHS went from "2nd most improved hs in NJ" to the bottom 10% of high schools and the entire district is now a "District in Need of Improvement". Seems that filling the district with rejects from Planfield, Bayport, and Newark isn't working out... LMAO. Current district population is 1600 minus about 200 "School Choice" students from out of the city. Parents are abandoning the district in droves.
pdq
10:12 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
CG,At the meeting, 750k cost was said to be the total cost of the lunch program not the uncollected cost. This 750k cost was down from the average 1.1mm cost that prior administrations had experienced as was the uncollected portion.
I am sure you'll be happy to know that The district website shows many new programs, that were put in place, to deal with future uncollected funds.
Journey
10:12 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
The outside firms doing the lunch fees are a disappointment. I pay my bill, but have no itemized info on what I'm paying. More people would pay if the system was better. But Hoboken did not build the system or run it.
Lunch vs. spending money on stipends to Atlantic City?
My kid is in the schools and I trust my eyes and her experience more than I trust you CuriousGal.
pdq
4:06 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
CG, did it ever occur to you that students leave because new charter and private schools open up? It's an exorption rate issue and is endemic to EVERY municipality. To you save you the time of slamming the local district schools- that includes highly ranked and "wealthy" populated districts.
Journey
4:06 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
CuriousGal always forgets that one reason people leave Hoboken is because it is hard for some people to have more than 2 kids in a 2 bedroom apartment.
Housing wise you can get more bang for your buck in the suburbs. Everyone that I know that is leaving town is leaving because they have outgrown their living space.
I do know of one complaint about the schools. that it is hard to do the pick up and drop off if you have a kid in the pre-k in one building and in elementary school in another building.
CuriousGal
4:06 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
pdq- here's the FULL story on the $783,000 debt and the legal fee audit from a year ago: "A recently completed annual audit of the Hoboken public schools has showed that the district owes $783,000 to its food services vendor Chartwells." READ: http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/school-audit-finds-783-000-food-services-debt
Journey- as typical you set up a false choice: Lunch vs. spending money on stipends to Atlantic City? Atlantic City is were just about EVERY professional organization meets in the State of New Jersey.
You don't need to "believe" or "not believe" what I write about. Like under Kids First the percentage of students attending a public school that failed to meet federal and state adequate yearly progress criteria has risen from 14% to over 90%???
I present the facts and the evidence. I have no influence nor do I want to have influence on how people vote at the ballot box. But from I see and hear-- parents are clearly voting with their feet and taking their kids out of these schools. That is very clear. And that is because of Kids First.
pdq
3:48 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Again, that is the cost of the food service program. The food service program is outsourced to chartwells.
pdq
3:48 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
http://www.hudsonreporter.com/pages/full_story/push?article--SCHOOL+AUDIT-+Student+funds+reimbursed+teacher+for+lost+-400+iPod-%20&id=4593303
pdq
3:48 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
You honestly don't believe that there is any correlation between attendance at the district schools due to the option of 9 different school districts in one square mile?
Explains a lot!
The rest of the country and the world would disagree with you, including Finland, the world "leader" in education.
puzzledone
3:48 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
CG, as typical, you are trying to say that things are OK by bringing up unrelated facts. Going to AC for a work related conference is fine, however, STIPENDS for the people going with money taken out of the taxpayer dime are not. The taxpayer should pay transportation in lowest class of service, or mileage at the then current IRS rate. Also, bringing the A/C repair guy, also not OK.
Cell phones given for work purposes are OK, however, in this case, they provided no educational purposes, and who knows who got them anyways. And steak dinners? How about paying people with no names and social security numbers in the system, if you didn't have SS#s, how did you withhold income taxes?
If all those people voted with their feet, why was the voting at the ballot box so unbalanced in the other direction?
Journey
4:16 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
I'm upset about items in the older audits. I'm concerned about those issues.
I'm not as concerned about the lunch, which is issue you keep bringing up. I mentioned it because it seems to be very important to you.
We seem to have very different values. You support people that wasted money on stipends to AC. That must be what you value.
Journey
10:12 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
If Kids First is so bad, why did they win?
Oh right, because no one believes CuriousCal, FrankSinatra, and their friends.
Hobokeneer
4:06 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Congratulations to Tom, Ruthy and Jean Marie. Thanks for your service to our community and good luck with the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead.
recallbethmason
4:06 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
curiousgal, my kid is in the hoboken school system and so far so good. everyone seems to be trying hard to make this a better school system. there is a concern with the hoboken high school but that issue has existed for years not something you can say happened in the last two years? unfortunately, more well off individuals do not send their kids to HHS and choose private schools. why you ask? unfortunately, it has more to do with the demographics of the hoboken population attending the HHS than how the school system is run.
CuriousGal
10:51 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Sorry sweetie--- again, you provide cover for Kids First by setting up an environment of low expectations, "but that issue has existed for years"-- not true. A few short years ago Hoboken High School was declared the 2nd most improved high school in the state of NJ by New Jersey Monthly, it won back to back Bronze Medal Awards by US NEWS and WORLD REPORT and he exceeded Adequate Yearly Progress criteria. Since Kids First took over the schools, enrollment is down, the state ranking has plummeted, high school graduation rate is below the state average, and the school has failed to meet federal and state Adequate Yearly Progress criteria. Why? Perhaps 4 principles in 3 years? Perhaps a few years of tired and retired administrators? Perhaps because of ladder climbing administrators from other districts looing for their next job before the ink is dry on their contract? Because of teachers who miss 70+ days of being in their special education class and being protected because they are bff's with the Board President?
The issue hasn't existed for years--- its existed since Kids First took majority control of the district and started making profoundly ignorant and vindictive educational decisions.
Journey
4:16 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
I see the misogynist is at the keyboard.
Yeah a few short years ago they won awards while not testing the entire high school population. I don't trust the those numbers, which is part of how they got the awards.
In 2006 I moved to Hoboken, knowing I would eventually have a child in the public school. I was more concerned with info about the primary schools than the high school, because without a good foundation to build on the house is not going to be as strong. I was concerned about what I saw of the high school and new there would be time for it to improve before my child hit that age.
There is no way that I'm going to ever vote for Mr. Garcia, Mr. Raia, or their allies. And judging from the out comes a November election that they feared, I'm not the only one.
Jimmy Bazz
4:06 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
BRAVO!!!! kIDS FIRST!!! Getting out and voting your conscious ,Works. Good luck.
franksinatra
3:48 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
pdq, journey, puzzle: repeat after me--there was no hiding of 11th grade students. It's all just a myth cooked up by KF. Just because KF keeps repeating it doesn't mean it's true. When I first heard it a few years ago I thought maybe there was something to it. You never knew what the machine was up to. But when you think about it for a second, the whole notion is ridiculous. With the state watching all the school numbers so closely, especially for Abbott districts, how could you get away with hiding dozens of kids every year for 10 years? So many people would have to be in on it. Hundreds of parents would see their kids tossed out of 11th grade and told to come back for 12th grade, and not one said a peep about it? Sure, every district, especially the so-called "good" schools in the most competitive suburbs, tells a couple of weak students to take a sick day on test days. No doubt Gagliardi wasn't above this. But KF talks of 100s of kids told to disappear over 10 years, and no one even mentioned it? Trenton never caught it, even with the super duly reporting the enrollment each year? If you think Gagliardi did conduct such a vast plot, he should obviously be in prison. Shouldn't you report this to Trenton? Shouldn't you get the press to dig into it? But KF never did that because it knows it's baloney. More fun to blog about it. Conspiracy theories are great fun in movies and novels, but they tend to fall apart in real life. The explanation in the Reporter makes more sense.
pdq
10:51 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
The assistant to the superintendent and the HS Principal admitted that not all kids were tested and that they worked toward putting an end to the 10r situation:
http://www.hudsonreporter.com/view/full_story/20784844/article-No-one-%E2%80%98cheated%E2%80%99-on-state-test-scores?
Look at these numbers and tell me there is nothing odd about them;
http://hoboken.patch.com/blog_posts/hoboken-high-school-by-the-numbers
pdq
10:51 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Trenton has shown Hoboken how much it watches over things.
Journey
4:16 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Call it whatever you like. But the enrollment numbers for the 11th grade for a decade was far beyond any acceptable standard deviation.
Whatever excuse the old administration had for those numbers, has not explained them to my satisfaction. I will never vote for that type of administration.
CuriousApologist
3:48 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Voting with our feet! You said it Curious Gal pal. Our kids are in Stevens Cooperative. We better keep blogging if we want to pay that $16k tuition, eh!
Private school mom's getting paid to rank on the public schools that we wouldn't put our kids in if our live's depended on it - Dawn's legacy.
pdq
3:48 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
10r missing students:
Upon being made aware of this practice- and wanting to implement a new approach to remediation, we began a 12 month process to phase this practice out. Therefore, in March 2008 the top 50 percent of the identified remedial students were tested along with their junior year cohort and by the March 2009 test administration a year later, the so called "10r" remediation program was eliminated entirely
(written by Anthony Petrosino and Lorraine Cella)
Read more: Hudson Reporter - No one ‘cheated’ on state test scores
MadisonMonroe
3:48 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
You ask a good question, journey. If Kids First is so bad, why did they win?
The answer may lie in their placement - #1 #2 and #3 - on the ballot. The candidates certainly benefited, probably by hundreds of votes, by getting the (randomly chosen) spots at the top of the ballot.
Tom Kleupfel, who finished with the highest number of votes (4,259), had the #1 position. He did not have a high public profile going into the election and had no record of being a Kids First member, but replaced KF member Theresa Minutillo when she dropped out of the race. An analysis at Northwestern U found that getting the #1 position is worth about 5 percentage points. http://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/index.php/Kellogg/article/first_among_equals
The analysis also showed that the candidates on the top of the ballot gain their extra votes from those in the middle of the ballot (Markevich, Oland, Vazquez) rather than the end of the ballot (Waiters).
A swing of just 40 votes would have meant a win for fourth-place finisher Ms. Markevitch, who was never on the board, over third-place finisher Ms. Mitchell, who was a previous board member under the Kids First banner. And that's with over 9,000 votes between the two of them.
Now that the school board election is coupled with the state/national election in Nov, this 1,2,3 effect will probably be stronger because more people with no knowledge of the school board candidates will be voting and thus relying even more on 1, 2, 3 done.
pdq
10:51 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Oh man- are your serious with this KidsFIrst didn't actually win garbage?
Ok. Take away 5% points from Klupfel - what's he left with? Would Markevich beat that number? NO. As to the rest of your gibberish; and if donkeys could fly they'd be unicorns.
You really need to come to terms with the idea that intimidation, deceit, smear illegal contributions and Nazi Trucks is not the wave of the future.
Journey
4:16 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
If that is what you have to tell yourself so you can sleep at night. Good luck.
CuriousGal
7:20 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Journey- you are too smart by half. This year's district enrollment is so low that we will likely see per pupil cost exceed 30K for 2013-2014 and will likely be the highest in the country. Think of the attention Kids First will receive for their wonderful accomplishments.
Journey
4:16 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
As a preschool parent, I have more experience with that age group.
So if people are voting with their feet, explain why they needed 2 more than expected kindergarden classes this year. They had more families staying than in the past.
MadisonMonroe
7:11 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
While it's probably best to avoid discussions of kindergarten with people who can't spell the word, I'll forge ahead. I'll take your word for it that there are 2 more kindergarten classes than the previous year, but that doesn't necessarily mean there are more kindergartners. It could be that they are putting fewer children in each class, thereby necessitating more classes/teachers. Or perhaps they decided to offer kindergarten in more of the buildings. Or perhaps there were 2 more classes the previous year and, after a slight decline, the numbers are back up again.
And the idea that there are more families than "in the past" is, frankly, ludicrously uninformed. Are you aware that this city once had 70,000 residents and probably 10,000 students in its schools. In case you hadn't noticed - seeing that you're so busy with your pre-schooler - there are several old school buildings in town that are now apartments.
Trust me, I sleep fine at night. The Mayor and her team put their full force behind the incumbent Kids First candidates, and they barely managed to eek out the victory. Moving the election to November was seen as a way to score landslide victories to infinity and beyond for their side. All this school board election did was prove that it's still anyone's game.
For what it's worth, here's my prediction: Carmelo Garcia is forced out at Housing and then runs against Ms. Zimmer for mayor. Not my choice, my prediction.
Journey
7:20 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
I'm looking for letter from the district.
If I remember, it said they had planned for 2 additional classes and then had to add two more.
So lets see, if I ran your post through a grammar and spelling checker, it would be prefect? In the letter they said it was because of higher percentage of per-k 4 stundents were staying in the district for kindergarten than the previous years.
Journey
7:20 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
November elections was about increased voter turn out, not controlling who would win. And voter participation in the school board was high.
bubbles
12:46 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Hold on there boy- peitions for mayor are out now. Carmelo would have to be fired pretty darn quickly for that to happen. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Btw, kudos on the whole there aint more kindergarteners thang- Pure genius.
We're stickin with the Kids First did not win , Zimmer hates bnr and any smear, lies and decit you can pull, platform for now.
Will get back to you with new strategy when it is decided upon. Keep up the great work. One more thang- remember- smear lies and spin. If ya aint doin that, ya aint doin a good job.
As you were....
MadisonMonroe
4:16 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Never over-estimate the reading comprehension of Patch commenters. Who said that KF didn't actually win? Of course they won. Nevertheless, any number of people here comment along the lines of the "old guard" will have to get used to losing every election now that they are all grouped in November. The point of the research I cited is that in a close election, ballot position matters. If Ms. Markevitch had the first position on the ballot, she would be sitting on the board now, instead of Ms. Mitchell.
Supporters of Kids First see this as a great victory for their team, yet the incumbent Ms. McAllister, a KF stalwart, got fewer votes than Mr. Kluepfel, a newcomer to the party. He also garnered a couple of hundred votes more than Ms. Mitchell, a former KF member of the school board. Why would the person most aligned with KF not get the most votes if, as supporters claim, the voters were endorsing KF's performance?
I have no doubt that the Kids First team was thrilled with their #1 #2 #3 positions on the ballot and their opponents were disappointed. Why? Because they and anyone with a brain would guess that the top positions are worth a number of free votes. Enough to alter the results of an election? Yes, say the researchers.
pdq
7:11 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
and no- say the numbers.
Journey
7:11 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Mr. Kluepfel might be new to running for the school board, but if I'm not mistaken he has experience with a Hoboken Charter school.
I think they did like that KLM was very memorable because of their initials.
So you think most voters in Hoboken just vote for the first 3 people on the ballot. Keep selling the voters short like that, and keep losing.
CuriousGal
7:40 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
"keep losing"??? Last year Kids First was swept weren't they? --
Sometimes its not so bad to be in the minority. This may be one of those years as the cumulative effects of Kids First 4+ years in total control become fully realized- rising per pupil costs, low enrollment, school violence, below average graduate rates, extremely low SAT scores, very low NJASK scores, the Newark-Bayport employment agency (most recently getting rid of the acting VP in HHS for yet another friend of Dr. Hernandez and product of the Newark School District), school choice problems, lack of AP materials, ridiculously small class sizes, over staffing, reconfiguration (7th grade in Hoboken High School?), more food service audit issues, and more articles from the Wall St Journal, US News and World Report, and NJ Monthly as Hoboken tops the $30K per student levels while providing a sub-standard education for its taxpayers-- forcing most residents to pay an extra $10k-$15K "education tax" for having to send their children to private schools if they don't get into one of the city's charters.
ThisMeansWar
3:02 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Yes, KF haven't lost since elections moved to November. Now we know why you were so afraid of higher turnout.
Talking about "last year" is typically disingenuous. So I see that you decided against a new years resolution where you stop talking to people like they're idiots.
CuriousGal
7:10 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
ThisMeansWar says----- KF hasn't lost "since elections moved to November"???LMAO--- what has then been, 70 days ago? and then ThisMeansWarsays I'm disingenuous? Ridiculous.
Kids First won the election but a quick examination of the results clearly show there were more "no" votes for KF than affirmative votes (translation: Waiters was a clear "old Hoboken" vote whose supporters could not bring themselves to vote for any of the Move Forward team or any of the KF candidates...for whatever reason). They didn't win because more votes were cast-- they won because of bullet voting by many of the same people who voted in Biancamano, Kearns, and Garcia the year before.
NP - Thomas KLUEPFEL 4,259 17.10%
NP - Jean Marie MITCHELL 4,097 16.45%
NP - Ruth McALLISTER 4,216 16.93%
NP - Anthony OLAND 3,499 14.05%
NP - Elizabeth MARKEVITCH 4,019 16.14%
NP - Felice K. VAZQUEZ 3,481 13.98%
NP - Patricia WAITERS 1,284 5.16%
bubbles
12:46 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Yeah! That's it. You tell em Gal. As always, you and Madison are pure genius. Kids First didn't win, we got lots of ways to explain why.
We got Cryan's letter in telling how the vote count was bogus, then we got us some mathematically impossible situation goin and now we're runnin with the whole idea of there are always 9000 voters who vote for school board.
Keep it goin peeps. Kids First did not win..Kids First did not win... If we say it enough, maybe the voters will believe.
CuriousGal
9:13 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
"Kids First won the election..." -CuriousGal 7:10 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
ThisMeansWar
10:04 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Why are you wasting your time here inventing reasons other than turnout for why your BOE ticket lost? You have all that reading to do.