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New Law Could Add 850 Parking Spots

A recent change in state law could allow some corner parking spots on corners to be opened up, adding more parking in town.

 

Roughly 850 parking spots could be added to the streets of Hoboken soon, after the city council approves a new measure that would allow parking on corners.

A change made to state law in February 2010 allows municipalities to decide the permissible parking distance from an intersection, a crosswalk or a stop sign, eliminiating the former 25-foot rule.

Which corners will see the extra parking spots is up to Parking and Transportation Ian Sacs.

Councilman Peter Cunningham, who introduced the measure to the city council, said that spots will open up on at least half of the corners in Hoboken.

The council unanimously approved the ordinance on first reading. Another vote will be cast at the next meeting, before the measure can go into effect.

Rory Chadwick

6:57 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

WONDERFUL NEWS FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS!

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Pat Iannaconi

8:12 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

they should do the same thing in Jersey City where parking even in front of your own house is at an all time premium.

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rtrux

8:37 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

wow, a hoboken council person who actually works within the system to DO SOMETHING to improve the parking situation instead of just going on local TV to grandstand, complain, point fingers and trash the city like a certain bitter shrew. how refreshing, thank you for doing your job, councilman cunningham.

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Greg Lincoln

9:43 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

While I am very supportive of having more parking available for residents, I am concerned about what this could mean for pedestrian safety, as well as vehicular safety.

As long as the corner parking does not reduce the visibility (and therefore safety) of pedestrians and oncoming traffic, that's great. Too often in Hoboken though, we have illegal parking on corners that makes it difficult for cars to see pedestrians, or difficult for cars to see oncoming traffic. I hope these factors are accounted for in the discussion and implementation.

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davidd

10:11 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

My understanding is that the rule will be for the 'far' corners on one way intersections, so hopefully sightlines will be unimpeded.
I think Journey is right thought, its mostly legalizing the cars that already park in these locations.

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HobokenOwl

10:30 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

"Councilman Peter Cunningham, who introduced the measure to the city council, said that spots will open up on at least half of the corners in Hoboken"
-I read this to mean that 2 of the 4 corners per intersection will be opened up to legal parking. If that's the case, it'll be the 2 corners that aren't in the line of sight of vehicular traffic.

Journey

9:57 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

From what I observe, there are cars parked illegally in those spaces that will be legal. This will create legal spaces out of illegal spaces that are already being used. So it will not create new spaces.

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Scott M. Siegel

9:57 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

I agree with Greg. Too many times there is a large SUV at the corner and you can't see through it or around it. They should only let compact cars park there or we will see a accident rate increase.

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speechlessinhoboken

9:59 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

Greg, I agree with you. As helpful as it would be to have more parking, as a driver and a pedestrian i know how dangerous the corners are currently, and can only imagine it wil be worse under the new regualtions. It is especially perilous when the car parked near the corner is an SUV. i guess we will see how this al works out!

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Rory Chadwick

10:03 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

Too many automobiles roll through stop signs and drivers look up or down a street to see if a vehicle is coming, and they fail to look both ways often to see if people are crossing the street. This is witnessed by everyone at everyone corner. I do not think the corner is the safety concern, the concern is drivers who disregard stop signs. Perhaps a month of enforcement to stop people from running stops signs might help too? Just the other night I was walking my dog and a certain delivery car from a certain chinese restaurant blew the stop sign going about 25 mph, never looked to see us crossing.

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Greg Lincoln

10:38 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

Rory,

I completely agree that the disregard for stop signs and speeding in town are issues as well. I would like to see a lot more enforcement on these permanently, not just for a month.

I do think the corners are a safety concern still, even if people are all perfect drivers. If you can't see someone coming (or attempting to cross the street), it's still a heightened risk of injury or worse.

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Rory Chadwick

10:59 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

5th and Garden is really bad, especially at night and 7am-830am in morning. The other day I stood at corner for 5 minutes. 39 cars passed through, 1 totally stopped. About 15 slowly rolled through and the rest gunned it, 2 yellow cabs included. Can the newly hired special 2 police officers handle this Greg? Have them on Garden between 4th and 5th on sidewalk and stop cars that break the law?

Rory Chadwick

10:06 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

Another problem is cars speeding down the streets. On the side streets the limit is 25. People put the pedal to the metal too much. In the years I have lived here I have never seen a radar gun in a police car. Enforcing the stop signs and speeders should be bigger concerns then putting on lights and making people move who are double parked. Does the HPD even have radar guns?

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Iman

10:12 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

I drive to and from work every day. I always, repeat always, give pedestrians the right of way. Whether the new parking regulations will cause more accidents is not the issue. The issue is simply common sense. Pedestrians should stop and see if any cars are approaching. Sound familiar? If you grew up in any kind of city, this was drummed into your head at school and at home. What happens in Hoboken is often that someone is one a cell phone, looking down at the ground and plunge right into the intersection without the slightest hesitation. Stand on any corner for ten minutes and you'll see what I'm talking about.

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Greg Lincoln

10:43 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

"Pedestrians should stop and see if any cars are approaching."

Agreed, however, the inverse is also true. Vehicles should slow or stop to make sure there are no pedestrians. The state law, which is often ignored, is also that all vehicles must come to a complete stop for pedestrians crossing in a crosswalk.

The responsibility for safety is on both the pedestrians and the drivers.

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HobokenOwl

10:50 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

If there's no stop sign, the vehicle should not slow any more than necessary to avoid hitting an entitled pedestrian who might jump out into the street as they cite the state law that gives them "The right of way" despite the fact that a car beat them to the corner. Drivers who stop at every corner waiting for pedestrians to show up ought not to have a driver's license.

I walk far more than I drive in this town, but I always STOP at corners if a car is more than 2/3 of the way down the block. I cannot assume that they will be able to stop before hitting me just because I have the right of way according to state law. In addition, when I drive, if I can't see what might be coming up to the corner because my sight line is blocked, I slow enough that I can stop on the dime if a pedestrian darts out, but if I can see what's coming I don't slow down at all.

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Journey

2:14 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012

HobokenOwl,

How do you propose a pedestrian cross the street when if you stand on the corner the cars just do not stop. I have waited in the worst weather while drivers just raced past on Clinton. They ignore me even when I'm standing one foot inside the crosswalk.

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HobokenOwl

3:31 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012

@Journey-
I clearly stated that I walk more than drive through this town. Short story on crossing is you're doing it the right way. If you walk out into the crosswalk just far enough to be seen but not hit, and a car is 2/3 of the way down the block, you wait until they pass. Unfortunately when 5-10 cars are in a row, they're not looking at you, they're looking at the car in front them. Yes, the 2nd- 10th car is breaking the law in not allowing you to cross, and yes, I find that frustrating as a pedestrian, but I know that when I'm a driver sometimes I'm caught up watching the car in front of me more than looking for peds. It happens. You drive and you get in the zone.

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Journey

3:49 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012

Drivers 2 - 10 are in the wrong, and being in the zone is lame excuse. If you can't handle driving and watching out for pedestrians, don't drive in congested city with lots of pedestrians.

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HobokenOwl

3:56 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012

Journey - I acknowleged 2-10 are wrong. Sometimes when you're #2 or 3-9, you see that the guy behind you is crawling up your @ss and you know if you stop for the ped, you might get hit. It happens.

I'd take your comment about "lame excuses and not driving" under consideration if you'd ever driven. You have no idea what you're talking about (just like I'm not going to sit here and talk to you about posting on message boards 15 years ago, b/c that's out of my range of knowledge). But I know, even though you're allowed to, you feel your eyesight isn't good enough. Got it.

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Journey

4:38 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012

You give drivers 2-10 a pass to brake the law. A pass to do something that endangers the lives of others.

The car ridding your tail is breaking the law. So you break the law because you are too afraid of their dangerous behavior.

My father and boyfriend both did the whole take me out to drive in deserted places. I know that I would be a bad driver, that it is not safe for me to do it in a place were there is other drivers and pedestrians. So I don't drive. I only suggest the standards I myself live by.

Yes, I don't drive because I can't handle it. That is the standard I live by, and I will not apologize for suggesting it to others.

Can't drive safely, don't drive. Can't hold your liquor, don't drink. Can't do x or y or z in a responsible safe manner, don't do it. I have lots of other flaws, but that is just my personal rule.

Eric

10:26 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

Great idea. Anyone care to guess how long it will be before someone posts an objection to this? I'm imagining something rediculous like the following-"This is a terrible idea! Why can't Ian Sachs just make the streets longer, is he too bisy posting online to do his job?". I can't wait to hear the spin, it's like our own little comedy show!

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Greg Lincoln

10:50 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

One other idea I'd like to throw out regarding the corner parking. For consistency and ease of recognition of which are determined "legal" corners vs. "illegal", I would suggest painting the curb as well as the street (similar to what they do with fire hydrants and some corners) to indicate the no parking corners, and be sure to heavily enforce the parking rules for those zones. If they are determining that parking in these areas is a safety risk, that message should be loud and clear.

For the record, I think Ian Sacs has done a fantastic job as the parking director. He has implemented many new ideas that make our city safer, more accommodating, and save our city money.

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FAP

11:07 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

My old apartment at Newark and Park saw at least one accident a month at that corner. Many of the accidents were likely caused wholly or in part by people parking illegally at the south east corner of Newark blocking the view of west bound traffic.

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I'm all for more parking but I would suggest they be very careful when doing so as to not impact public safety. Frankly having seen some of the cars after the accidents I’m shocked there weren’t more serious injuries.

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Journey

11:11 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012

Here is my point of view, as illustrated by my 3 year old. Last night she was in the stroller, my husband was pushing, he stopped and looked, but not for as long as I do. He is taller and can see around/over cars better than me. She yelled at him to stop. She didn't think he stopped and looked. She has learned to stop and look from me.

I stop and look. I walk to the PATH down Adams and over on 1st so that I cross streets where I know the cars have a stop sign.

I rarely see cars stop at stop signs. In the evening I walk back on 4th. Crossing west at 4th and Clinton is a nightmare. I've stood in the freezing rain, while 10 cars ignore that I'm one step off the curb, in crosswalk. I'm in the cross walk, not far enough in to be hit, but far enough to be seen and that they legally have to stop. They do not. If I stood on the curb, the car that eventually stopped and let me cross most likely would not.

The day I see every car stop at the stop sign I'll say the pedestrians are behaving more entitled than the drivers.

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CaptJackd

1:32 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012

850 spots sounds great, but how could it possibly be 850 spots? Ten percent increase in street parking by adding 10 linear feet per side per block? If that's the case, then were 1700 spots taken away when the 'white lines' were rolled back?

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speechlessinhoboken

1:36 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012

another concern, besides cars regularly blowing through stop signs, is the lack of enforcement of the law regarding pedestrians in a crosswalk. The NJ law is that no car may enter an intersection until ALL pedestrians are out of teh crosswalk. In the last 2 weeks alone i have been beeped at and almost run down by cars who drove right into intersections while i was in the crosswalk. I find this especially bad at 2nd and Washington and at 3rd and garden..

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Journey

1:53 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012

The same has happened to us. Once a many months back, my husband and daughter were crossing the street. I was bringing up the rear with her stroller. The car blew pass behind them and startled her. She was two, what if she responded in way an experienced adult would not?

Then there are the drivers that stop, but they are either so far into the cross walk you have three choices. Wait. Cross behind them, breathing their fumes and walking between two cars, or walk out into intersection. I wait, giving the driver the evil eye.

Call pedestrians entitled if you want. They do not have the monopoly on that attitude and the entitled drivers are steering around a possible death machine.

Journey

2:16 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012

I have a question for the drivers out there. There are the law breakers and the inconsiderate drivers, then there are the ones that just puzzle me.

Regardless of if they had the right of way, they are in the interection, with at least only the back wheels still in the cross walk. They see someone waiting to cross, they stop, in the middle of the intersection and waive to the pedestrian. What are they thinking, they are just creating a more dangerous situation.

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leafy

3:08 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012

This change was made 22 months ago? Where has everyone been?

Oh, but the green magic bus at 10th and Garden doesn't have to worry...they can park forever.

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Ian Sacs, P.E.

10:45 am on Friday, January 6, 2012

@leafy: The day this concern was posted I had a PEO investigate and confirm that a current Resident parking permit is properly affixed to the window and that summonses have been issued for street cleaning violations when appropriate. I again confirmed today that this vehicle - same as any other - receives violations when parking illegally during street cleaning. You may wish to continue to post that this vehicle is somehow being given a free pass to park, but it is entirely untrue, unfounded, and misleading. Moreover, the accusations that HPU is doing something inappropriate or "looking the other way" in extremely unfair and to be blunt, an outright lie; I provided you instruction on how you can submit a complain t such as this, and I also took immediate action to address what I thought was a valid concern from. When I discovered everything was being done correctly, I dropped it; perhaps you should do the same. HPU has enforced regulations with that vehicle exaclty the same as it handles every other. To be clear, this accusation, just like the other accusation about Corner Cars not being 25 feet from the crosswalk, is baseless, unfounded, and not factual. In both instances, HPU has performed its functions responsively and in accordance with all local and state laws.

cassandra

3:23 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012

Speaking of pedestrian safety,I was almost hit by a speeding bicyclist on the sidewalk today. Bicycles on the sidewalk are very dangerous to pedestrians. it has gotten out of hand. How about those newly hired police officers enforcing the state and city biking laws/

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Redrider765

4:31 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012

They probably just don't like you b/c I swear, you are the only person who on at least a weekly basis keeps complaining that you are almost hit by a speeding bicyclist today.

leafy

5:48 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012

I remember a simpler time.....virtually no stop signs in Hoboken and a roll-stop was all it took to get around.

I believe the green VW bus at 10th and Garden is the satellite office of the Parking Utility. That's why that bus doesn't have to move.

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Ian Sacs, P.E.

10:48 am on Friday, January 6, 2012

@leafy: The day this concern was posted I had a PEO investigate and confirm that a current Resident parking permit is properly affixed to the window and that summonses have been issued for street cleaning violations when appropriate. I again confirmed today that this vehicle - same as any other - receives violations when parking illegally during street cleaning. You may wish to continue to post that this vehicle is somehow being given a free pass to park, but it is entirely untrue, unfounded, and misleading. Moreover, the accusations that HPU is doing something inappropriate or "looking the other way" in extremely unfair and to be blunt, an outright lie; I provided you instruction on how you can submit a complain t such as this, and I also took immediate action to address what I thought was a valid concern from. When I discovered everything was being done correctly, I dropped it; perhaps you should do the same. HPU has enforced regulations with that vehicle exaclty the same as it handles every other. To be clear, this accusation, just like the other accusation about Corner Cars not being 25 feet from the crosswalk, is baseless, unfounded, and not factual. In both instances, HPU has performed its functions responsively and in accordance with all local and state laws.

Outofcontrol

6:51 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012

Leafy, obviously you forget how things are done in the Zimmer Administration. The VW must belong to a friend of hers. Simple as that. And she pretends to be "different" from previous administrations.

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Ian Sacs, P.E.

10:46 am on Friday, January 6, 2012

@Outofcontrol: The day this concern was posted I had a PEO investigate and confirm that a current Resident parking permit is properly affixed to the window and that summonses have been issued for street cleaning violations when appropriate. I again confirmed today that this vehicle - same as any other - receives violations when parking illegally during street cleaning. You may wish to continue to post that this vehicle is somehow being given a free pass to park, but it is entirely untrue, unfounded, and misleading. Moreover, the accusations that HPU is doing something inappropriate or "looking the other way" in extremely unfair and to be blunt, an outright lie; I provided you instruction on how you can submit a complain t such as this, and I also took immediate action to address what I thought was a valid concern from. When I discovered everything was being done correctly, I dropped it; perhaps you should do the same. HPU has enforced regulations with that vehicle exaclty the same as it handles every other. To be clear, this accusation, just like the other accusation about Corner Cars not being 25 feet from the crosswalk, is baseless, unfounded, and not factual. In both instances, HPU has performed its functions responsively and in accordance with all local and state laws.

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ThisMeansWar

11:06 am on Friday, January 6, 2012

Director, your willingness and desire to discuss facts with citizens is commendable. However please understand that no one you are speaking with is especially interested in facts. Smear, get proved wrong, wait a few days, and smear again as if not previously disproved. They have an easy job. It's very easy to put accusations, innuendo out there. Debunking each time takes much more time. This is why we are all rooting for the fbi to clean house. The only thing that will shut these people up is knowing they have no path back to power. Until then it will be lies lies and more lies.

cassandra

11:04 am on Friday, January 6, 2012

red

walk on washington street every day; you will also be almost hit by a bicyclist frequently.

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Redrider765

11:17 am on Friday, January 6, 2012

I do and I find that the bikers are perfectly capable of not hitting anyone. They have eyes, they use them and as long as you don't do something stupid like jump in front of them, they will go around you. Perhaps you shouldn't freak out so much when a bike goes by you. My suggestion is some form of anti-anxiety medication.

xtreme

11:27 am on Friday, January 6, 2012

It's actually cheaper to park on the steet and accrue parking tickets for street cleaning every week than it is to pay the monthly fee in many garages in town. The owner of the van probably realizes this and doesn't see the need to move it.

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HobokenOwl

4:19 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012

True. That's why I parked on the street for a decade.

cassandra

11:38 am on Friday, January 6, 2012

The law says they should move no faster then pedestrian speed. Ignored by almost all bikers. Both near misses for me were when I turned to enter a store and bicycles were approaching from my rear. I didn't know they were coming. they didn't know I was going to turn. The law says bicyclists should sound an alarm when approaching from the rear. Common practice in Europe. A bicycle education program is urgently needed and existing laws need to be enforced.

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Journey

12:01 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012

That is how I ride, with a signal device and not faster than a pedestrian. If I pass pedestrian, my feet are almost always on the ground, I might be straddling the bike but I'm walking it.

These law breaking bikers are just like the ones in NYC. They do not care. They are reckless with their own life, so why would they be careful with the lives of others. All they care about is that they have got to get the delivery to its destination pronto.

More ticketing would be great, but you can't teach people to give a damn. People care or don't care, regardless of what they have been taught.

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Redrider765

12:29 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012

Cassandra, I repeat, they just don't like you. Either that or when you walk, you are completely oblivious to what is going on around you. You turned into a store w/o even bothering to think about who might be walking, running or riding up behind you. Not only that, but I bet you did it suddenly w/ next to no warning and you just expect everyone to just stop for you. And the bikers are to blame for them not knowing what you were doing or that you intended to walk right in front of them w/o even bothering to look? Good job there. No wonder they don't like you.

leafy

2:48 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012

Mr. Sacs, I did ask, how is the 25 measured? Is it 25 feet from the crosswalk to the front of the corner cars spot or the back of the spot? When I think crosswalk, I think of the part closest to the parking space at issue and not the part of the crosswalk closest farthest from the parking space. I'm about 5 feet tall and I am certain that if I lay down and flipped myself over 4 more times that I would be well into a corner cars space at 6th and Park. Now, exactly where does the measuring begin and end?

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Ian Sacs, P.E.

3:04 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012

@leafy: 25 feet is measured from the edge of the crosswalk furthest from the center of the intersection, extending away from the intersection. Or, as you describe it, "...the part closest to the parking space at issue..." If you wish to confirm any dimensions on the street, I'd highly suggest you use a tape measure rather than lie down in the roadbed flipping yourself over. It's far safer AND more accurate.

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HobokenOwl

10:20 am on Saturday, January 7, 2012

I think it would be far more entertaining to watch leafy flip around and potentially get run over. :)

leafy

6:04 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012

For the record, I was speaking figuratively about flipping myself over. Thanks for your concern.

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Outofcontrol

6:23 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012

Leafy, perhaps this can help you be a bit more accurate with measuring methodology:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsjMp9OXL20

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cassandra

11:00 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012

Red

How could they not like me? They have no idea of who i am. I guess you just dont care about safetey. Are you a bike rider? I dont understand your hostility.

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Redrider765

11:14 am on Saturday, January 7, 2012

I think you are being a drama queen. You are the only person who seems to get nearly run over just about every day of every week. Either that or you are so oblivious to your surroundings that you just step in front of moving vehicles and bikes just b/c you are so blind to your surroundings. Perhaps since the one common denominator in all these near constant incidents involving you is you, perhaps you are the problem and you should be the one to modify your behavior.

cassandra

2:11 pm on Saturday, January 7, 2012

Nonsense as usual. I have had two incidents in six months. Bicycles are proliferating in Hoboken. Perhaps I am the only one who has a problem. lets see if anyone else complains. Sooner or later there will be a serious accident. You didn't replay as to whether or not you are a bicyclist.

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Redrider765

2:32 pm on Saturday, January 7, 2012

Can I ride a bike? Yes, like most normal people, I not only know how to use my legs to walk, but I can also use them to peddle a bike. Guess that is a skill you never mastered? That would explain the complaining. We can chalk it up to envy b/c you don't know how to ride a bike.

sifu

12:49 am on Sunday, January 8, 2012

There's plenty of "city" spaces that don't conform to the the 25 foot rule. From the meters right in front of city hall, to the police spaces in front of the Police precinct.

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CaptJackd

10:23 am on Sunday, January 8, 2012

True. Also a loading zone spot on 10th and Park that directly abuts the crosswalk. The NJ law (even the original version) seems to provide leeway for a municipality to set the parking distance by way of posted signs/signals or propagation. And that is why I think it is important for the city to maintain uniformly painted curbs to specify the legal parking distance.

39:4-138:
Except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with the directions of a traffic or police officer or traffic sign or signal, no operator of a vehicle shall stand or park the vehicle in any of the following places..."

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