Parade Cancelled, Bar Owners Upset, But Still Expecting Large Crowds
Will the cancellation of the parade deter 20,000 visitors from coming to Hoboken? Only time will tell.
While employees of Hoboken's downtown bars have expressed their disappointment with the cancellation of the St. Patrick's Day Parade, it's unclear if large crowds of visitors will still come to Hoboken on March 3.
The consensus among Hoboken's bar employees are that the lack of parade will hurt their bottom line. In the past years, most of the problems on St. Patrick's Day have originated at house parties and in the streets, not in the bars.
"Come on, do you really have to urinate off your roof?" asked one waitress at a waterfront bar, upset with the change. "There's no respect."
"It'll hurt the bars financially," said Erik Christensen, manager at the Pour House. "It's the best day of the year." But, Christensen said, he suspected many people will still come to town.
"It brings in a lot of out of towners," said Colleen O'Brien, bartender at Marty O'Brien's at First and Garden Streets. The parade, she said also, brings the bar a lot of customers the rest of the year.
At the Wicked Wolf Tavern on River Street, St. Patrick's Day is the busiest day of the year according to bartender James Madsen. By cancelling the parade, he said, "you're taking a huge chunk of cash out of people's pockets."
Usually Hoboken's bars charge a roughly $20 cover on the day of the parade. This year, Madsen said he was afraid "people are not going to pay it," because a lot of people won't come to Hoboken. Madsen said that at least ten percent of the bars' annual revenue is earned on parade day.
For the city, Mayor Dawn Zimmer said, the parade is not a financial issue. "It's not about the money," Zimmer said. Last year, the parade cost the city more than $150,000 in police overtime and other cost, she said.
Zimmer, in a press conference on Friday afternoon, said that the city is still "preparing for the worst." Zimmer said that bars are allowed to open as early as 6:30 a.m. on any day, saying that technically bars could still open early on March 3.
Local website EatDrinkHoboken already pledged that with or without the parade, the party will go on.
Last year, the entire police force was out in the streets, as well as officers from other law enforcement agencies, such as the county and the Port Authority.
"It's something we couldn't handle," Zimmer said about the parade, "but not for lack of trying."
FAP
3:25 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Funny thing, people at house parties think the bars are the problem. Who would have thunk it.
Hoboken Questioner
8:12 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Dawn Zimmer killed the Hoboken St Patrick's Day Parade.
Her next target will be the Italian Festival.
Her PAID for blogger minions are going into damage control mode below.
p1ywood
1:42 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Hoboken Questioner, at the behest of Beth Mason, seeks to divide the community against the mayor as part of Ms Mason's run for Mayor in 2013. His continued efforts are posted below, replete with lies about blogger compensation. What is known is that Ms Mason is rumored to be trying to buy that election through efforts like you will see Hoboken Questioner employ below.
QJ201
3:50 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Boo Hoo for the bar owners. They act as if this one day of the year is what makes them profitable. I bar tended one year in Hoboken to help out a friend, and never again... tips were really crappy compared to what the till raked in, and we worked our butts off.
PeoplePlease
11:21 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012
that's because I asked for a rum and coke...not a jack and diet
p1ywood
4:11 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
"...said that at least ten percent of the bars' annual revenue is earned on parade day."
Wowwee! If that is the case then the bar owners should have been much more open to helping to control the crowds through more security and paying into a fund for law enforcement that day which the vast majority have declined to do in years past. And also cut off people who were plastered. It simply would have been covering their investment. They left this problem for the town to solve. Can't complain now, they had their chance. Hold the parade and force the bars to close for the day: that's the direction this should be going. So now those who assembled peacefully to watch a parade lose out. That's not justice.
xtreme
4:50 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
I'm not surprised that the bar owners didn't chip in. You can't ask a private business to voluntarily pony up for something and complain when they don't. If the city wanted to recoup the costs of the parade the better approach would have been to implement a fee or tax on liquor sales and/or licenses that gets put into a find solely for purposes of covering parade expenses.
Hobbs
5:15 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Good idea.
As Councilpersons Castellano, Russo and Mason last year stridently advocated against the mayhem and the extra costs that the weekend places on Hoboken, they should draft a ordanance that put a such a fee in place to cover the costs. I think the Council Majority would support it. :-)
p1ywood
6:05 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
I'm no really complaining that the bar owners didn't voluntarily kick in. I am saying if this event is 10% of their annual sales, they may have shot themselves in the foot by not taking a more pro-active approach to keeping the scene more manageable. Every one of them were aware that things were out of hand and they did nothing about it. Now the munIcipality will step in and the bar owners may not like what the town decides to do. A little self-regulation might have avoided that.
xtreme
6:46 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
I see your point ply. I wasn't suggesting you in particular, just a general statement. You have a point though. Their refusal to help definitely hurt them in end. My point was more that it was an idea that was destined to fail from the start. The city should have levied the tax once the costs became out of control. In this economyv it's tough to expect any small business to part with profits when they don't have to.
And Hobbs, I can't imagine anything that could be considered a good idea coming from those three...... well unless they decide to quit :-)
Hoboken Questioner
8:13 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
WOW...look everyone the 1st Zimmer damage control concept - BLAME THE BAR OWNERS.
Folks - 1 person killed the St Patrick's Day Parade - Dawn Zimmer.
p1ywood
8:45 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Oh look, the Mason shill has arrived, trying to act like trying to curtail the out of control violence and drunkenness in our streets is a bad thing. So let's see, if the Mayor didn't try to discourage such acts, she would be ineffective, right? You can do better than that, Questioner. A letter from the parade committee cancelling the parade is pretty strong evidence that, um, the parade committee cancelled the parade, making no reference to the parade day problems everyone knows exist..
Khoboken
12:35 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Oh dear, the little troll is up and about. Funny that HQ is not talking about himself int he third person today. Following is a blurb that I thought would be appealing to you, HQ.
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Read more: http://www.esquire.com/features/third-person-1108#ixzz1jSGvhXX9
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Julie
5:28 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Can someone please tell me what's wrong with this headline......
hobokenhorse.com
7:09 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
I can't. I'm too upstet.
Poor bar owners, woe is them.
Joseph Woolston Brick
5:30 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
If you have a mayor, that in a year can't plan to have a parade on a Saturday during the day and provide more security, then what else can't she do? A whole year and the best she can come up with is a St.Patricks day parade at night? That would be even worse! A parade in the dark of night would bring out even more crazies than during the day.! Seems you guys need to find a mayor with better brains.
Hoboken Questioner
8:15 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Joseph you are absolutely correct. I have not seen any of your posts before but please feel free to come back often. The problem is that we need to get more people registered to vote in this town. Once that happens then we can get rid of Zimmer and bring back the parade.
Napoleon Complex
8:25 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Yeahhh!!! Rapes for everyone when Zimmer is gone and Mason/Russo is in. So says Hoboken's very own Napoleon!
Hoboken Questioner
8:29 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
See what happens here folks...if you challenge or question Dawn Zimmer her paid for minions call you a criminal.
Let me make a prediction..their other strategies involved (1) blaming the bar owners (2) blaming the Committee and (3) blaming political opponents. I now predict that somehow the parade itself was managed by CORRUPT people.. Yes...Corruption...I am sure that one is next....let's see if I am right... hmm...
Hoboken Answer
8:33 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Decision on the parade was made after the insanity of last year and the plug pulled.
You want the US Army on every corner?
Seems you need bar owners with deeper pockets. They didn't ante up and won't.
Too bad.
p1ywood
8:33 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Everything is fine. The committee cancelled the parade. Questioner is out spinning it against the mayor for the Old Guard. Just another day.
Hoboken Answer
8:34 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Oh and as for HQ/prosbus/TommyTune/Lane Bajardi. Instead of ghostwriting lies on Hoboken411 just write something for your boss Beth Mason to come out and fight to put the parade back on Saturday.
What is she waiting for? You have it ready yet or what?
ThisMeansWar
11:51 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
HQ, you're such a moron. You're new friend lives in Brick - Joseph Wooston Brick. Did you think that was his name, dumbass? But moving to Brick might be a good idea for you because...Lane Bajardi has NEVER appeared in an ELEC report for Beth Mason or Tim Occhipinti. He appears in this midnight video for Occhipinti's campaign leaders. http://www.hobokenhorse.com/2010/10/grist-for-mill-midnight-monday-meeting.html
Is he credited in Beth Mason's IRS filings? Does he credit her in his tax forms?
http://www.fbi.gov/news/videos/inside-the-fbis-internet-tip-line
Tommy Tune
6:55 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
As usual Zimmer is disingenuous. The parade fines and parking fees that end up in the city coffers are five times the amount spent that day.
Hoboken restaurants and bars are the largest employer in the city, but this dimwit mayor wouldn't understand that since she has no clue about having a job.
ThisMeansWar
8:00 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Speaking of no clue about having a job...Lane Bajardi has NEVER appeared in an ELEC report for Beth Mason or Tim Occhipinti. He appears in this midnight video for Occhipinti's campaign leaders. http://www.hobokenhorse.com/2010/10/grist-for-mill-midnight-monday-meeting.html
Is he credited in Beth Mason's IRS filings? Does he credit her in his tax forms?
http://www.fbi.gov/news/videos/inside-the-fbis-internet-tip-line
Khoboken
1:42 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
As usual, pussface, posing this time a as TT, is disingenuous in his attempts to make anyone believe that his multiple posts under different screen names signifies a significant number of people that share his views and who buy his not paid for friendship crapola.
hobokenhorse.com
7:47 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
As usual Hoboken411's ghostwriter is disingenuous. The parade fines and parking fees come no where near making the city anywhere close to enough money to offset the cost and damages to city's cost and resident's property.
Hoboken restaurants and bars are the largest benefactors on this day in the city, but this mayor doesn't bow down to them like other mayors did, who also owned bars.
Hoboken Questioner
8:16 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Horsey - right now your friends are all drooling over a BOE member's criminal back ground check. That is what excited you folks. Most of us just want our parade back and we correctly blame Dawn ZImmer for killing it.
p1ywood
8:49 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Um, the meaning of a letter from the parade committee saying they are cancelling the parade is a little too complicated for you?
PeoplePlease
11:28 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012
You act as though it's not the responsibility of government to find a compromise that allows commercial prosperity.
The fact is, this Mayor is out of her league and because she is, she resorts to using her power as opposed to her ability to compromise on not only this situation but many over the past 3 years.
This is why PR girls make better party planners than Mayors.
Jabberwock
12:24 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
I get the impression that the people that the mayor bows down to are residents with less than 13 years of residency, btwn the age of 35 and 52, preferably with children, relatively, or substantially affluent and property owning. Long time and born and raised adults, renters, seniors and poorer residents are completely left out of her equation for Hoboken. Many of us that are (and were) comfortable with Hoboken as hard-scrabble, quirky, diverse, edgy and artsy who were excited about the new 'dawn' in Hoboken are disappointed. The end of the St. Pat's parade is not, in and of itself, something that will loose any votes, but governance that favors one constituency over all others will loose votes. There's still time to build some bridges and some opportunities. Perhaps tighter historic building/district designations, perhaps the anticipated renovations of existing parks could increase the amount of nature/green space instead of kiddie play areas, maybe adding 'living histories' to the waterfront and getting some voices of residents that lived here prior to 1995 on those histories; perhaps, even someone that spoke about the various Hoboken parades and festivals, how they came about and which ones are enjoyed to this day.
Khoboken
1:44 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Jabberwock
Is there any evidence to support your rather condescending and dumb assertion that the Mayor "bows down" to anyone? If anything, she doesn't bow down to anyone, which is unusual in a politician and is probably, if you evaluate her solely on political skills, a weakness.
Napoleon Complex
8:35 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Have a great weekend everyone, I'm off to by new lifts and a suit in the boys section of TJ Maxx
Grafix Avenger
10:45 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Oh my goodness, that's hysterical!
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/01/waaa-we-want-our-crime-wave.html
hobokenhorse.com
8:37 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Parade Committee killed the parade. If people want it back they should go ahead and try to get people to do that.
So where is Beth Mason, Mike Russo and Terry Castellano's statement saying they will bring the parade back to Saturday. Must have missed it.
Get right on that HQ. We're waiting.
Reformerus_Gianticus
9:26 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Hoboken Questioner- Unlike Beth Mason Zimmer does not have paid bloggers. She does have supporters as well as detractors on this site. Even her supporters are somewhat not on the same page with repsect to this event. This conspiracy that there is some kind of coordinated effort on Zimmer's part to control what we write is simply delusional fantasy on your part.
I don't how the parade is at all related to the drinking but I am not a one issue supporter of our current Mayor. There are many more important issues than this one. You should try to focus on a more constructive approach because you are coming accross like crazy shorts Klaussen or Looney Lane and that duo has zero credibility these days.
Have a nice evening HQ. I would like to buy you several Guinesses to help you dorwn your sorrows over the loss of the parade. How will I know its you? Will you be wearing some scrappy looking t-shirt with a question mark on it? :)
Reformerus_Gianticus
9:27 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
And it takes two to negotiate. The tone of the letter from Committee is not exactly oozing flexibility.
Pug Mahon
8:53 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012
The tone do Zimmer's letter wasn't bad either.
" you will have the parade on a Wednesday night." My way of the highway.
Reformerus_Gianticus
10:29 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Pug Mahon- From what I know the Mayor at least tried to work with the committee. I for one would have liked to see a Sunday comprimise. Takes two parties to negotiate.
Rory Chadwick
8:30 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012
This news is upstetting to many.
Reformerus_Gianticus
10:01 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Bar Owners Upset? Really? A lot of people are commenting that the party will go on without the parade which is a belief I also share. If there is still going to be enough people to pack the bars then what do the bars have to be upset about? Answer- nothing. They will still make their $150K in the big places like Black Bear.
HeyNowHoboken
10:02 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Maybe I'm misunderstanding? Ok sooooo, the parade is cancelled, yet the bars can still open up as early as 6:30a. What's the problem? I find it hard to believe that the day will not proceed as usual. The regular parade attendees are families and residents who aren't partaking in the drinking partying debauchery anyway. You really think the under 30 Hoboken/northern NJ population is gonna let a cancelled parade ruin their day? It'll be biz as usual. MAYBE the intensity of the day will fade after a few years but not anytime soon.
Eric
10:12 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012
So let me get this straight. The parade is fine but what follows is chaos. For years higher fines more police stricter enforcement all have failed and it gets worse, every year. The parade organizers don't want to take responsibility, the bar owners and the residents who want it don't want to be bothered with solving the problem. They want it to be taken care of by the government? AND YOU'RE SURPRISED BY THE RESULT? FFS people, handle your business, pitch in funds or come up with new ideas if you really care about it. Instead all of these people ignore it and as long as they aren't having their property trashed, being assaulted or disturbed it's okay. Well, you got what you deserved, no Saturday parade for you, you can't have it and be responsible for it, too bad. I feel like I'm scolding a teenager.
Grafix Avenger
10:14 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Waaaaa! The St. Patrick's Day Waaa Committee lobs the first grenade of the 2013 mayoral race. Look how excited HQ-prosbus-hubby of gethteledout44 is here, proves my point.
GA explains why this is a wet noodle.
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/01/waaa-we-want-our-crime-wave.html
Eric sandler
10:19 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012
1st of all, HQ you are just ridiculous...whatever you say is taken with a complete grain of salt because you must not live in hoboken because if you did then you would agree with the mayors decision. As a father of a small boy I am glad to see the parade will not be happening on the weekend. 2nd I understand the frustration of bar owners but to a certain extent you have brought this issue upon yourselves...if you did not open your bars until later in the day there is no way we would have as many problems. I think the bar owners need to come to an agreement with the city to not open their bars until early afternoon and more stringent rules on this day for this event to ever return to the weekend.
cassandra
11:25 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012
The city has lost control of the "event" - a drinking orgy - to Facebook. The absence of a parade will do little to diminish the "event". The media publicity
will just inflame the youth to even more excess. History says that any attempt to "puritanize" - my word - behavior will not succeed . See today's article in NY Times on the 1897 ban on alcohol in New York City on Sundays by Theodore Roosevelt . Result - ban failed - New York City voted against Roosevelt in every election thereafter.
Hoboken Answer
1:08 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
We'll see who loses control. There's going to be changes and no cover of a secondary St. Patrick's Day to cover bad behavior.
Enforcement won't end with a simple ticket. Let's see how PSD Tooke steps it up.
PeoplePlease
11:23 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012
I live on Washington & have never seen a situation that could be deemed out of the norm. Was there maybe a fight, yes - but there are fights every weekend night. Is there a guy or two that you spot taking a pee on the street, yes - but just about every morning this summer I spotted Randall pissing on the side of 7-11. Does someone wake up sleeping on the park bench, yes - but I spent the entire summer trying to get the 6th Ward Councilwoman to clean up the corner of 5th and Washington as there were no less than 3 homeless men sleeping on those same benches each morning.
There are people in this town that simply do not want this parade in their city. The mayor and her friends on the city council have time and time again pandered to this minority. Mayor Zimmer has continually attacked our main industry, the same industry that attracted them to Hoboken, Hospitality. It is the Hospitality Industry that sets us apart from surrounding communities. It is the Hospitality Industry that allows landlords to charge an extra 300 - 400 dollars a month for apartments. It is the Hospitality Industry that makes Hoboken one of the top visited destinations in NJ.
I encourage all Hoboken residents who have not yet done so, to visit this link, register to vote and in 2013, voice your concerns with this administrations attack on the non brownstone owning population. It takes 5 minutes to register and only 2 minutes to vote.
https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=78954935324
Khoboken
12:42 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
You are a shill for the bar owners , a liar, or a drunk. "I live on Washington & have never seen a situation that could be deemed out of the norm." Simply not believable for anyone who has lived in town for more than one year. And if you vote for mayor based on this one issue, then your are a complete moron. I guess you think it is okay to elect crooks that steal 800k quarters, sell zoning variances, etc. It is comments like this (along with the $40 per vote buying spurge financed by Beth Mason) that make me think that a literacy test should be required in order to vote.
Grafix Avenger
1:09 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Lotsa luck registering voters from NYC, Long Island, upstate NY, Conn., Jersey City, Weehawken, West New York, Union City and all the other counties in NJ.
XO,
GA
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/01/waaa-we-want-our-crime-wave.html
Hoboken Answer
1:19 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
It's Lane Bajardi and another his latest 1,000 plus screen names in his jihad against the mayor since he didn't get a City Hall job when his counte$$ got thwarted twice.
He thinks if he keeps saying the same things with different names, it'll change.
There's clearly no uproar over the parade either being moved to Wednesday announced last March or now cancelled by the Parade Committee.
The vast majority of residents are happy not being forced to evacuate so others can roll in the dough.
If Lane Bajardi thinks otherwise, then he should convince his boss Beth Mason to issue a statement she will run on a platform of bringing the parade back to Saturday and have her crooked allies like Russo and Occhipinti sign it.
We're waiting.
Eric
2:42 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012
Nothing will stop people coming to live here. The biggest draw for residents this city has in access to NYC. Why sit of a NJT train for 45 minutes when you can go door to door in 30?
ondine galsworth
12:12 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Have y'all been here during the blessed event? I moved here 25yrs ago as a youngster and was warned by a friend to "watch my step" the day after St. Paddys - there's vomit everywhere! I thought she was kidding - she wasn't. We in town call the Parade the Pukefest, and every local I know tries his or her damndest to get the hell out of town on St Paddys. I stayed in town three yrs ago and had to call the police before 8:00am! Me and my baby were woken up by music blaring from a balcony and meatheads screaming so loud you couldn't hear yourself talk. Really guys (at the Archstone)?! I think all building management should be in charge of their buildings - seriously! It's not like I'm a fuddyduddy, trust me, I've had, and continue to have my fare share of fun - but come on! The parade sucks for us locals. Actually the parade itself is sweet, we tried to take our boy to see it only to have to physically block random drunks from trampling him. It's the fratboy/SNLesque drunkgirl combo who treat our lovely town like a vomitorium/trash receptical that ruin the day. I don't have an answer, and I do care about our local businesses, but until they/we can get a handle on the drunken "wilding" that goes on hrs before the parade starts....I can't say we will miss the grossest day of the year. I'm sure Hoboken will still be a magnet for ameteur drinkers everywhere on St Paddys, filling our bars and sidewalks with meatheads and barf. Have fun. I'll be out of town.
Hoboken Dan
12:13 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
That is too bad. A parade is as American as apple pie.
Reformerus_Gianticus
12:22 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
While I disagree with the Mayor on this issue moving it to Wednesday, I think you are wrong that this will hurt any bar's bottom line. There will be plenty of people coming to Hoboken on March 3rd parade or no parade. So how again does the Bar industry get hurt by the Parade Committee's decision to pull out? Your complaint is only valid if the crowds don't show and I think there will be plenty of business. Without having to worry about traffic control at least the cops will be able to focus on the violators.
FYI- The entire City Council was disgusted about the aftermath of the parade last year. They were uninanmious. Thats rare but on this issue was the case. Call Beth Mason. She's running for Mayor in 2013. Problem is she might return your call until 2015. You can try her though.Mason nearly killed the HUMC deal. You think the parade is a bad decision fine but could you imagine hwo bad the bar business would have been hurt if the Hospital defaulted? Hugetax increases. Zimmer Saved just about every business and resident in Hoboken getting the HUMC deal done.
No one is saying you can't party, at least not yet. Just about every member on the parade comittee voted for Peter Cammarano so its not like the Mayor is going to lose a ton of votes over this. See you on the 3rd of March. May your stomach be filled with pints of Green Beer Gerald.
Khoboken
12:24 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Ft Lauderdale got tired of Spring Break and put the breaks on it, clamping down on every imaginable aspect to deter anyone from coming to town that week. If a parade had been at the center of the festivities, that parade would have been cancelled, even if it were just for the symbolism. Similar to Hoboken, the week long festivities initially began as a promotion by the local businesses (bars and hotels) to draw college kids to the city. Like Hoboken, the party grew and grew and simply got out of hand. Hoboken just got tired of dealing with the increasing mess that Fake Paddy's Day has become. Last year 1st Street, from Pier A to Jackson Street was one open drunken mess, with the smell of urine and vomit everywhere. I highly doubt that anyone of the idiots that I saw that day came to Hoboken for the parade. Will people still come on the 1st - sure, as long as you have morons like EatnDrink Hoboken promoting it and the Facebook page remains up. But now, there is simply no excuse for any of the revelers that show up that day to claim that they are "celebrating" a holiday. Cuff em and fine the whole lot of them, and I would also suggest that police go into bars and tap any bar owners that are serving obvious drunks. The bar owners had a good thing going, failed to take any actions to reign in the mess and I, for one, have turned a deaf ear to their complaints. Thank you, mayor. The parade committee's press release was childish in the extreme.
Redrider765
12:49 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
I somewhat disagree. Whatever measures the city takes to control the out of control drunks, they need to do it year round. You don't selectively enforce the law one day out of the year and not the other 364. The whole reason the parade got out of control is the city didn't enforce the laws year round so people who visited this town were conditioned to expect that their unacceptable behavior would be tolerated here in Hoboken.
Seriously, can anyone honestly say that we don't see this stuff year round in this town? People vomiting in the street, check. People urinating in doorways, check. People passed out in the gutter, check. People brawling on sidewalks, check. Random acts of vandalism fueled by alcohol, check. DUIs, check. Everyone turning a blind eye to all of these things 364 days out of the year, check. The only difference b/w this particular Saturday and any other Saturday is the number of people who show up, get drunk and all act the same way they would any other Saturday they get drunk in this town.
Khoboken
1:39 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
REd
I agree that enforcement should be the same 365 days a year. I point out, however, that given the huge crush of 40k drunk revelers on Fake Paddy's Day, it is not possible, absent having the National Guard arrive on the scene, to make that happen. The parade and the celebration of a holiday has given the "mob" cover for a one day drunken orgy where they know that by virtue of the sheer numbers of drunken assholes urinating and vomiting in the street that the odds of getting arrested that day, as opposed to any other random Saturday, are pretty low. And as events have unfolded, those revelers have the safety of random open doors to duck into to attend a house party if cops do zero in on them. Arresting people indoors in a private residence, or even in the hallway of an apartment building, is much less likely to happen, for simple civil rights reasons. I am all for ratcheting down the mayhem of Fake Paddy's Day. If moving the parade, and having the parade committee act like petulant children and cancel the parade is part of the fall out - so be it.
Redrider765
1:48 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
It only isn't possible on St. Patty's b/c they never do it the other 364 days of the year. If people come here knowing there is a zero tolerance policy that is enforced, they will behave. Most of these people come to Hoboken year round at various times of the year and they already know they can do whatever they want. It is unrealistic to expect that the city can police them after conditioning them to expect almost no policing what so ever. Had the mayor just started a zero tolerance policy last year like I suggested last year, this discussion would not be happening and I suspect we'd have a parade as usual.
Lane Dastardly
9:53 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
KHobeken knows David Liebler is playing a very dangerous game with public safety by promoting and focusing a know to be a reckless uncontrolled party. When the usual problems arise, hold him accountable!!
Hoboken Dan
12:39 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Maybe the city should close the bars during that weekend. In this way Hoboken citizens do not have to be deprived of their slice of apple pie. After all, it was not the parade committee that caused the issue. Every town in America has a parade. It is usually an event of civic pride.
The Irish American community of hoboken have a right to celebrate the many contributions they have made to the city over the past 150 years. The bars have made large profits in the past. PROFIT IS THE ISSUE. Their profit has come at the expense of the citizen's of Hoboken.
CLOSE THE BARS AND HAVE THE PARADE! Either way, the bars will not profit but at least the citizens get to exercise their rights to celebrate the event.
Redrider765
12:53 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Are you kidding? Things went downhill when it came to controlling the parade after the city convinced the bars to open late that day. That led to all the house parties. You want the bars to open early, keep the drunks either in the bars or in lines at the bars and where the bar staff, cops, FD & bouncers can keep an eye on them. Worst mistake this town ever made was asking the bars to open late that day.
Hoboken1653
2:40 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Yep, the house parties and people wandering the streets looking to crash house parties are the problem. Very tough to manage those things.
Art
1:47 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
The city council should implement a bar tax on every drink sold and a fee for every house party which can be used to pay for an auxiliary police presence (essentially guys in windbreakers with walkie talkies or cell phones), overtime, and the cleanup afterwards. Then create a holding cell for those that are arrested for anything where they will have to wait to be processed. I think 5% of the knuckleheads cause 90% of the problems, so identify and segregate them early.
Redrider765
1:59 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Art, if the city even tries to tell me WTF I can do in my own home, I will be the first person to hold a party and sue the city.
Khoboken
3:33 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Red,
I agree with you on that issue.
cassandra
9:16 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Amazing! Red and I agree again.
Eric
2:53 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012
Your right to enjoy yourself in your home doesn't trump my right to peace in my home. It boils down to minding your own business. As long as you mind yours (and that of your guests), I'll happily mind my own. Have fun, trash your place, go F-n' bananas! Just don't make it my problem, is that not fair?
ThisMeansWar
1:51 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Register voters? Great idea! But don't let the machine (Raia/Russo/Mason) hear you say that. They're mortified of higher turnout. That's why they BOUGHT the votes to prevent moving the elections to November. It's the same reason they are terrified of school board elections moving to November: THEY WANT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE VOTER TURNOUT SO THEY CAN BUY THE ELECTIONS. They're just cheaters, and that's all they know.
For instance did you know that...Lane Bajardi has NEVER appeared in an ELEC report for Beth Mason or Tim Occhipinti. He appears in this midnight video for Occhipinti's campaign leaders. http://www.hobokenhorse.com/2010/10/grist-for-mill-midnight-monday-meeting.html
Is he credited in Beth Mason's IRS filings? Does he credit her in his tax forms?
http://www.fbi.gov/news/videos/inside-the-fbis-internet-tip-line
prosbus
7:54 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012
ThisMeansWar- The fact that people want to take advantage of Vote By Mail option does not mean a crime has occurred. In fact, NJ encourages people to Vote By Mail. Here is what is said on the New Jersey election site: "In New Jersey, any voter can now vote by mail in any election. You do not need a reason to Vote by Mail. Don't feel like going to the polls? Simply vote by mail. Now there is "no excuse" not to vote! "
http://www.nj.gov/state/elections/mail-in_doe.html
Trust me-- no one is shaking in their booths.
Lane Dastardly
9:19 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012
i'm sure all kinds of people in Applied are recieving plump visitors with ballots in hand telling them "there's no reason not to vote"
Outofcontrol
6:09 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012
So now the Mayor is telling everyone who will listen to her that the city will be planning a series of "Irish" events to placate those who are miffed about the parade. I hope she isn't planning on spending tax payer dollars to do this. She is simply trying to pander to the Irish. Since she is the model of fairness, I hope she is planning cultural events for every other nationality living within the confine of this lovely town.
A word to the wise, Mayor....the damage has been done. You have insulted a segment of the community who won't quickly forget. Teaching a few dogs how to step dance in the Church Square Park dog run isn't going to get those votes back.
Eric
6:29 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012
I'll score you 3.5 troll points out of a possible 10.
nice try
7:06 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012
There are other possibilities for celebrating cultural heritage in Hoboken such as this: "The Puerto Rican Cultural Committee hosted the 44th annual flag raising on Saturday morning."
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/puerto-rican-flag-waves-in-front-of-city-hall#c
FAP
7:07 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012
Eric I think you're being generous. The problem is the posts are neither scary nor entertaining. The material is stale and the delivery never changes.
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Maybe Perry will wander by and tell us how great the Hospital was doing before Zimmer ruined it.
Lane Dastardly
9:11 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012
A word to outofcontrol - your ridiculous posts aren't fooling anyone. We all know the Old Guard was behind cancelling the parade for political gain. Just admit it.
HobokenTownie
10:19 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012
Maybe if the police did their job, there would be fewer problems. Regionalize the police force just like many counties in New York.