Paving of Multiple Hoboken Streets Put off After Failed Vote
It's unclear when multiple streets in Hoboken will be paved, said Mayor Dawn Zimmer.
A resolution to pay for the engineering cost related to the re-paving of multiple Hoboken streets failed due to a deadlocked vote on Wednesday night, causing the delay of the repaving of multiple roads in town.
A resolution on Wednesday night's agenda called for the approval of $44,000 in engineering cost necessary to do the paving.
The resolution failed in a 4-4 vote, with the mayor's supporters on the council — Jennifer Giattino, Peter Cunningham, David Mello and Ravi Bhalla — voting "yes," while her opponents — Tim Occhipinti, Beth Mason, Terry Castellano and Michael Russo — voted "no."
Mayor Dawn Zimmer on Thursday afternoon said that the city had planned to start repaving roads in town starting next week.
"That is now delayed," said Zimmer in a phone interview. The streets that are scheduled to be paved include parts of Monroe, uptown Madison as well as Hudson Street to Sinatra Drive.
Zimmer said she isn't sure when the paving will be done.
Russo, one of the council members who voted agains the resolution, said that he isn't against paving streets in town, but against how it's funded.
While Russo said he won't approve any more bonds to pay for capital improvements around town, Zimmer said that the paving will be paid for through a Department of Transportation Grant.
"It wasn't proposed as a bond," Zimmer said.
The accompanying engineering cost will be paid out of the city's budget.
Currently, the city uses Boswell Engineering as its engineer for projects around town. Occhipinti, another council member who voted down the paving resolution on Wednesday, said that he wants the city to hire one engineer for the entire year.
"We'd like to see one city engineer for 2013," Occhipinti said, "that can handle the work in the city."
Occhipinti said the paving was originally scheduled for the Fall of 2012, but was delayed because of Hurricane Sandy.
"It's the same job," Occhipinti said, disputing that the delay was caused by the city council vote. "What in the world is going on here?"
PeoplePlease
4:38 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
I'm confused. Why does the 'minority' always seem to not have the full information and be confused, yet the 'majority' always seems to understand perfectly, never have any questions and is ready to vote yes on any spending?
Either the minority is not getting all the 'right' information before these meetings OR, the majority is simply a rubber stamp.
Ojo Rojo
4:56 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Did you ever think that the majority tends to use the phone and ask questions before the meeting while the minority tends to wait until the meeting starts?
PeoplePlease
11:34 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
It's crossed my mind. You could be right. I tend to remember the same situation before Jenn was elected however. A lot of....what, who, when? It's all a stall until Nov.
HudsonStreet
11:34 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
I am confused too. I thought Castellano, Mason Russo and Occhipinti are suposed to do what is best for Hoboken and not playing petty political games that ends up hurting the people of Hoboken..
davidd
11:34 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
Mike Russo and Terry Castellano have relatives throught the city govt. They know exactly what is going on. They are just obstructing.
DaHorsey, SmartyJones of MSV
11:34 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
I'd like to help you please understand by spelling it out to you: O-B-S-T-R-U-C-T-I-O-N.
Tell Timmy to give you back the $25 you gave him. You got ripped off bro. He's a puppet.
More on this sabotage and the budget starring the Hoboken Sopranos:
http://www.hobokenhorse.com/2013/03/2013-budget-introduced-in-trouble-with.html
puzzledone
11:34 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
If they offered any constructive ideas, or following getting reasonable answers to all their concerns showing that they are just playing games, changed their votes, I may see your point. All they ever do is try to poke loopholes in other's logic, fail miserably, and vote no anyways. After Beth Mason said that she wouldn't email anyone before the meetings because she wants to do it all during the meeting in gotcha mode, I think everyone knows what is going on.
ThisMeansWar
11:34 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
Nice to see you've finally dropped the charade of being an independent thinker and have become a full-time apologist for the Russos & Beth.
Let's see, your other hero Timmy knew enough about the problem to have White Horse Strategies write a letter to the editor for him. Maybe you can ask him. He's now voted against repairs twice.
Grafix Avenger
11:32 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
In the spirit of full disclosure, 'PeoplePlease' is buddies with Tim Occhipinti. Hence his 'confusion' about the obvious- 4 City Council members are being stopped from repairing potholes because the other 4 members wish to complain about potholes and the City's failure to fix them. And the 4 whiners and do-nothings have LOST their court case against keeping Jim Doyle off the City Council, but are holding all of us hostage to another appeal to Superior Court. We can thank these 4 for wasting our tax dollars while they file appeal after appeal and vote against fixing our streets.
It's that simple.
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2013/03/blowing-up-zimmers-house.html
PeoplePlease
12:27 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
Doing what is best, does not mean rubber stamping every proposal that comes from City Hall.
PeoplePlease
12:41 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
Hey GA...before you cast any aspersions on my relationships...you may want to fully disclose your shillful relationships as well.
My passion for public policy and good governance has never gotten me sued...unlike you. My passion for fostering economic development has never landed me before City Council, accused of anti-semitism...unlike you.
You care nothing about the betterment of this city...you only care about attacking those you perceive as being against you and and it is clear as day that you you only reason for living, is to bring down those that you are paid to attack.
Ojo Rojo
5:23 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
It is only a stall b/c the minority refuses to stop playing games and do what is best for the community. There should be no debate about 90% of what goes before the CC especially when the minority never even proposes an alternative. They just vote "No".
ThisMeansWar
5:22 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
GA is "paid to attack"? By whom, PeoplePlease? Are you going to back that up, or does your "passion for publc policy" simply include the occasional unsubstantiated libelous accusation? Is MSV "paid to attack" too? Help us out here.
Grafix Avenger
9:02 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
PP, facts are not aspersions.
Fact: you are Tim Occhipinti's buddy and are here shilling for him without publicly disclosing that you have a close social relationship with him. That's a fact, not an aspersion. Unless you are ashamed of your friendship with Occhipinti, I do not know why you would hide that fact here as you pretend to be a neutral critic, driven by "passion for public policy and governance". Clearly you are not. The fact you attack the person (me) who points that is interesting.
Now, repeating the public, scurrilous attacks of political operatives and the allegations of a politically-motivated, frivolous SLAPP suit are aspersions.
When are you moving?
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2013/03/ladies-whos-competent.html
PeoplePlease
3:05 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
I've met Tim twice. Once at a Hoboken Volunteers event and once at the launch of his campaign for the Fourth Ward.
I follow him on Facebook and Twitter and from time to time hold discussion through this medium. Perhaps if my Sixth Ward councilwoman would return my emails, tweets and messages...I would have the same relationship with her as well.
But then again Jen might divert from the step by step talking points her handlers give her if she were to have an off the cuff convo about something other than playground equipment.
And if GA has not figured out how to monetize her hate blog, she should run over to Wiley and ask for a free copy of Blogging For Dummies.
PeoplePlease
4:37 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Bond for 15 here, 20 there, 18 here, 44 there...next thing you know...there is no 2% reduction in taxes.
There should be a law where bonding can only be done for project of a certain type and in excess of X amount.
Ojo Rojo
5:05 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
At least one of the bonds that failed was going to be paid by someone other than the City of Hoboken. We have to issue those bonds b/c we have to run the actual project, fund the initial outflow of cash to pay for the cost of the project through the money raised from the bonds but the cost burden of paying the interest and principal on those bonds would not be on Hoboken residents. But now we got no bonding so we are SOL. Pier A will not get fixed. Those roads will not get repaired. If you don't like it, point your fingers at the minority b/c they and only they are to blame.
HudsonStreet
11:34 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
Voting down what would have been free money for Hoboken from The Department of Transportation to fix our roads doesn't seem to be rational.
pdq
11:32 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
These items have nothing to do with bonding. Zimmer said that the paving will be paid for through a Department of Transportation Grant. Russo, one of the council members who voted agains the resolution, said that he isn't against paving streets in town, but against how it's funded.
Russo doesn't want the City of Hoboken to use grants? Thanks, Russo. Why take a grant when we can just make the local taxpayers spend the money?
Re: Bonding- Seriously? Are you not aware of why municipalities bond?
Bonding is used for capital improvements- projects that when completed will have long lasting (more than one year) usage. Roads, parks, renovtions etc... are considers capital improvements. These costs should never fall on one tax year bill when 10-30 years later ,the residents will still be using the improvements.
PeoplePlease
12:27 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
If it's free money...why not just throw it into the budget...pay for it up front...then get the money back...?
I'm not making a statement here..just asking the question. I'm trying to understand why there is so much bonding going on. To me it sounds like a way to artificially keep the city tax rate down.
I can understand bonding for 1, 2, 5 million...but not for 44K
pdq
9:02 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
There is bonding going on because no one took care of these infrastructure and other capital improvement issues for the past 40 years.
The prior adminstrations should have had hte devlopers do some of these improvements as is the case in most all other municipalities. But the prior admins were giving out zoning variances to their contractor and developer buddies like candy ,with no payback to the residents of the city.
Hope this helped to explain the bonding issues better.
HudsonStreet
9:02 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Targeted grants can not just be dumped into the general fund the must be used for the reason they were given
puzzledone
9:02 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Are you saying we should be effectively lending money to the DOT, by prepaying something and allow them to pay us back in installments? That's not only irrational, that's actively hurting current residents to the benefit of future residents.
Scott M. Siegel
4:37 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Once again Pothole Tim and his accomplices fail tho repave Hoboken's streets. Can't wait for another inane oped from clueless Tim.
PeoplePlease
4:56 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Hey Scott, what Hoboken ward is Patterson, NJ a part of?
Ojo Rojo
11:34 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
Interesting how people attack scott personally but still can't refute his facts. Face it, Pothole Tim votes against repaving roads. Those are the facts. Deal with it.
Grafix Avenger
11:32 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
Hey PP, you promised us you were moving.
Thank you Scott. Hoboken's still your city, and we are waiting for the day you come back.
pdq
11:32 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
I thought Mr. Occhipinti was complaining about the pot holes not being fixed. This grant was going to be used to fix the pot holes and yet he voted down payment to fix the pot holes?
concerned
11:34 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
This is terrible, the streets needs to be fixed, the pot holes are getting big and deep making tires and suspension,etc. to get ruined forcing everyone to get repairs done that are costly..
recallbethmason
11:34 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
hey PeoplePlease, you dont speak for most of hoboken so get a clue. we want the roads paved end of story. beth mason continues to kill her political career with these dumb moves, it is mind boggling what she is doing?
PeoplePlease
12:41 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
I'm not a fan of Beth....but I am curious...how's that recall coming?
Scott M. Siegel
11:34 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
How would I know. Try asking Ruben, doesn't he teach there?
PeoplePlease
12:41 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
Oh, maybe I am wrong...where did you move to last year?
demosthenes
5:23 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
where did you move to Peopleplease? You posted months ago that you were moving that week. Did you? If not did you change your mind or lie?
Your budget questions would be easier to answer if you were more specific. For example, please identify a specific bond that you feel was better paid for out of current taxpayer dollars.
The road paving was not a bond, so it seems both you and Councilman Russo share the same misunderstanding. I am far more concerned about Councilman Russo's "confusion" than yours since its understandable for you to be confused when your elected officials intentionally mislead you.
PeoplePlease
3:05 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
I was going to take a job in Philly....then learned I dont get vaca for the first year...so I said hell no.
I'm staying in Hoboken...going to make the raising a family thing work here.
My understanding was that the $44K paving project was going to be funded through a bond. Which I feel is not needed. If this is not the case...then I dont know why it would be voted down.
Outofcontrol
11:34 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
Scotty, you really need to go out and play with the kids in your new neighborhood. Lemme give you a tip though: Take off the Cheerleader Skirt with the big "Z" sewn on to it. You'll never fit in if you don't.
With that being said, you need to accept your failures and put Hoboken behind you. You can't play here anymore. You moved out. Move on and you'll feel better about yourself. We really don't need advice from a guy who couldn't cut it in the big leagues.
cassandra
11:34 am on Friday, March 8, 2013
Incompetence - all the way around! Throw them all out!
DaHorsey, SmartyJones of MSV
12:41 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
Have to agree with Cassandra. Throw all four of the Hoboken Sopranos out!
http://www.hobokenhorse.com/2013/03/russo-to-mayor-you-want-dee-votes-you.html
Jay Rattigan
12:41 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
Why do you suggest throwing out the Reform members who are trying to improve the City?
Ojo Rojo
5:23 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
.It would be incompetent to throw out the people actually doing a good job b/c the minority refuses to do their jobs and just muck things up all so they can make a mess.
recallbethmason
5:23 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
People Please, we don't need to recall beth, she is already unelectable....but thanks for asking. on a side note, I honestly dont care how things are paid for as long as there is reasonable room to pay for something, that we have plenty of bonding room, who cares how it is paid? the only people who care are beth, tim, mike, etc because they have no other BS argument to make. the more they stop progress the more hoboken residents see what they are doing. at this point, mayor zimmer wont even have to break a sweat to get re-elected and more importantly she is now very likely to win all of the at large council seats because of a poorly planned strategy by her opponents. no one is going to vote for Tim or his allies.
Khoboken
9:02 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Does anyone know exactly what TO's qualifications are to become a more "competent" mayor then DZ? His performances so far at CC meetigns, his dumb OpEd pieces, his mysterious VBM election victory paid for by BM dont exactly scream "competent". What does he really do during the day? Is it something that calls for him to make executive decision, lead people, understand finance? He just seems to me to be "acting" what he thinks a politician should be doing. Very scripted and not really able to articulate anything of substance or offer any critical insight or analysis. I cant imagine that he actually has a very responsible job. I heard from various people that he worked his way up from mail room errand boy to help desk jockey. Not much to vouch for his "competence". PP - everyone knows you are his BFF, so let us in on TO's competent executive experience that backs up his claims.
puzzledone
12:00 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Tim Occhipinti does exactly for the city council what he does for his employer. Reads a script and doesn't offer any solutions that aren't handed to him on a computer screen or printout. If he's qualified to be mayor, than I am going to Rome to try to be a pope.
BigAl
11:55 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013
why am i not surprised... the politics of hoboken are more important than the people
this is why TO and BM need to buy votes