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Silver Spoon, Anyone?

Excuse me, I didn't go to Cranbrook.  That's the all-boys' high school of the silver-spoon crowd that Mitt Romney palled around with.  Yup, while Obama, at the age of seven, was palling around with the likes of Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers, Romney was hanging out at Cranbrook, in Michigan.  His daddy was a self-made millionaire. Obama's was a man whom he barely got to know, and his mom was a Kansas girl.

And I went to Henry Snyder High School in Jersey City.  We had no silver-spoon kids in our school. But one hot summer day I'm standing in front of my house on Bergen Avenue.  In 1958 I was 17.  Nobody I knew had air conditioning at home, so it was nice to catch a breeze outside instead of staying in the sweltering house. And along comes Bill, an ordinary guy I know from school.

Bill stops for a desultory chat.  We wander from one topic to another, until finally Bill tells me about his involvement with the Navy Junior Reserve Officers Training Corps.  He told me how he and his comrades would go to New York, go on boats to learn naval stuff, and generally hang out on the water.  Not my thing, but what the hell?

Then the conversation took an unforeseen turn.  Bill told me how he and some other Corps members were in New York when they encountered a man who was, shall we say, giving them the eye, presumably because he was smitten by their astonishingly good looks.  Clearly a queer, and these guys would have nothing to do with queers.  And so they dragged him into an alley and beat the living tar out of him.  Nothing too bad.  Just a teenage prank  Things that tough, macho boys do.

Being rather naive, unsophisticated in such things, I heard all of this with some lack of enthusiasm, and let the conversation take its course.  In October, 1957, the Soviets had announced they had put a satellite into orbit circling the Earth.  It was called Sputnik, meaning satellite, and it created a bit of a stir.  But Bill assured me that such a feat on the part of the Soviets was impossible.  They didn't have the technology to accomplish such a thing.   It was all done on a film lot, like in Hollywood, where a picture can be made to tell a thousand lies. But again I digress.

Let's get back to our buddy Mitt, the silver-spoon kid.  If recent news stories are true, he too had his issues with people who were different from him.  He too took a rather extreme way of dealing with those issues.  This article from The New York Times gives you the gist of it: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/11/us/politics/years-later-a-prep-school-bullying-case-snares-romney.html?_r=1&hp

So about ten days or so ago, the Romneys appeared on a morning show.  Ann Romney laughed and exclaimed how wild and crazy Mitt is.  You just have to get to know him.  Mitt chuckled.  It took Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC to point out that by that point the Romney campaign was aware that the Washington Post was doing some investigative reporting, looking into Gov. Romney's time at Cranbrook, where he apparently was a wild and crazy kid.  And that explains why they were laying the groundwork for showing that he was nothing but a great big silly teddy bear who would pull pranks, but never really hurt anyone.

Now I too, have a confession to make.  I too had a wild and crazy youth.  I recall vividly that on one or two occasions I refused to stand up in a subway train when an older person wanted to sit.  And yes, a few times I talked back to my parents. To this day, I look back and regret those misdeeds.  I really was a delinquent. But young Mitt has me beat by far in the juvenile delinquent sweepstakes.

But I did learn something as I grew up.  I learned that time after time, whenever you hear some guy whining about gays, homosexuality, the horror and evil of it all...you can usually lay odds that that's one guy who has issues about his own sexual identity.  Homoerotic inclinations?  Ask Ted Haggard, ask Larry Craig, ask any of those people who so loudly denounce gays.  Why are you guys so uptight about gayocity?  Why, huh?  Tell me why?

 

 

Howard L. Pearl

11:03 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012

If there were ever a reason why an upstanding professional would not want to run for political office, the story about Mitt Romney spells it out loud and clear. FIFTY years ago, he committed an insensitive, possibly homophobic act and now it comes back to haunt him. This is just another prime example of a media out of control.
With the exception of families like the Kennedy’s or the Bushes that literally reared their children with the Presidency in mind, who either paid off the children’s indiscretions or kept them locked in a closet to prevent them, the rest of us have “a past”, i.e. skeletons in our closet.
I sincerely hope that Romney has matured and evolved in both his behavior and his views. I would hope the public will weigh his fitness for office on his adult accomplishments and not on one isolated teenage indiscretion.

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oracle

4:13 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012

The reason I think the media has run with the story is because the Romney's themselves have been pushing his high school "pranks" as part of his campaign. Ann Romney has talked often lately about how he has so funny and not-at-all stiff in high school to make him seem more likable to voters, so people started digging up the story and it backfired. Cynically i wonder if Dems were sitting in the story until the week the president came out for gay marriage to say Romney used to bully gay teens, but they were the ones to open up his high school days.

Bill

11:11 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012

What puzzles me is how Romney could not remember something like that. I don't think I'd be able to forget witnessing, let alone participating, in something like that.

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Harlan Consider

12:09 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012

He probably doesn't remember because the story has been blown out of all proportion, and it's simply filed in the forgotten recesses of his mind. The man has led a very eventful 50 years since this "incident". If this is the kind of smear tactics that we can expect for the rest of this year, then it's going to be one long sleazy campaign season.

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Toni M.

10:56 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Clinton and John Edwards "forgot" having affairs. Why does forgetting bullying someone puzzle u?

Allan E. Fineberg

12:06 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012

Mr. Pearl, you made a good point. It's unfair to "weigh his fitness for office" based on Romney's actions fifty years ago. But that he seems to be utterly lacking in empathy regarding the plight of the poor, the vulnerable, the underprivileged...is it unfair of us to think about his character? And was it really wrong of the Washington Post to dig into his history of "indiscretions?" What if a young Obama had been accused for a similar indiscretion? Can you imagine the lynch-mob hysteria that would have ensued?

Bill, you raise a good question: how could he not remember something like that? Yet he remembers for certain that if it happened, it had nothing to do with homophobia.

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wendyb

7:52 am on Saturday, May 19, 2012

Personally I like the idea of this stuff coming out. As long as both parties get the same treatment by the news media. It gives the public a chance to ask questions and get answers. Remember that a sitting President could be blackmailed just as anyone else. If a candidate or a sitting President running for re election cannot handle a little heat, how is he going to handle having his finger on the "button"? The problem is that the news media is run by people acting to further their own agendas or choices. This kind of skews the process and spoils a good race. Kind of like an umpire making bad calls to help a team. There is a reason why news media gets little respect.

Allan E. Fineberg

12:40 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012

I'm beginning to think that Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, has got the whole thing right: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

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Jack B Goode

1:35 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012

Why doesn't the media look into Obama's past with even half the effort they do for Romney. Obama admitted that he "experimented with drugs enthusiastically" yet somehow no one cares. Only when it is discovered that a Republican has a past incident does it make front page news. This story isn't worth paying attention to.

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Jack B Goode

1:42 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012

Nice spoof, now lets poke fun at the other side. Marriage is whatever you want it to be,with whomever you want it to be with. We don't need no stinkin morals or guidelines. and the Government should make it legal. Also don't put it up for a vote, the people are too stupid, lets let our lobbied,biased politicians make the decision for us. Amen

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B@B

5:33 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Jack: The media HAVE looked into Obama's past. There's no there there, at least not the kind of sociopathic tendencies that Romney's pattern of "hijinks" indicates. Obama's past is clearly one of a very careful man who has always felt (rightly) that he had to be twice as saintly as everyone else.

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Toni M.

10:58 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Obama saintly? Seriously? I want some of ur meds!!

Bill

4:17 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012

Why don't they look into Obama's past, you ask? Can you name another president that's had to produce his birth certificate?

As for the drug use issue, Republicans screamed about Bill Clinton's drug use and nobody cared. Democrats screamed about George W Bush's drug use and nobody cared. Republicans screamed about Barack Obama's drug use and nobody cared. Is a pattern beginning to emerge? For what it's worth, I haven't seen anything in the media at all about whether or not Mitt Romney ever used illegal drugs. I consider that a positive sign.

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Jack B Goode

6:39 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012

He was asked to produce his birth certificate by some conspiracy theorist kooks with an agenda, not the mainstream media (Washington Post).
All I am saying is that there seems to be a sick pleasure in digging up dirt (even 50 year old stuff) on Romney, while the media fawns over Obama . (see Chris Matthews when he declared "when Obama speaks, I get a tingle up my leg"

Michael Agosta

5:44 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012

Political Correctness has mushroomed over the last 30 years. The 'touchy, feely' stuff wasn't around 50 years ago. Gay/lesbian folks were in the closet. Mentally challenged folks were put in institutions. There was institutional racism.
50 years is a long time to learn and grow.

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Jenne

2:03 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012

I think liberals are wondering about who is in fact learning and growing. No, liberals aren't entirely happy with Obama, who acts as if he got elected on a platform of "Can't we all just get along" instead of on the backs of rage at the machine. However, when it comes right down to it, Romney will get a tiny bump from the gay-bashing contingent and the good old boys who were amused by the dog-on-car stunt, Obama will get a bump from the "can't we all get along" crowd (and those who are doubtful about dog on car stunts and bullying). What will happen next depends mostly on how much of the vote both sides get out, and which side of which base the independents will come out on.
It comes down to how many are turned off by the Republican and Tea Party rhetoric, and how many just vote for a change leadership.

Howard L. Pearl

9:54 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012

Allan:
Romney’s personality (or lack thereof) make it very difficult to genuinely judge him. While I agree that he certainly does not display genuine empathy for the underprivileged and vulnerable, I sincerely hope that he does in reality. But how do we really judge Obama, who is a far better “performer”? They are all politicians, aka “bad actors”.
As for the Washington Post, I oppose any sort of media bias”. Painting Romney as a homophobe, when that very well may be a false premise based on this one incident, is wrought with prejudice.
To Bill:
If Obama was doing an exceptional job, if the economy was flourishing, if the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq had gone well, etc., how important would this birth certificate issue then be? This was a contrived issue from the beginning; just like the rumors of his being Muslim. Let’s focus on his performance and refrain from disparaging someone as a result of unfounded rumors.

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Jenne

2:07 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012

The birth certificate issue was big way before Obama had an opportunity to show what he could do. It's mostly faded, except among some cranks. But there were plenty of calls to investigate his birth certificate and his education while Obama was campaigning. I think we all feel there's some sort of bias against our candidate and our side. It's why NPR listeners are hanging on every word of the Murdoch scandal, and why Murdoch consumers are all over CNN.

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Andy Schmidt

1:27 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

>> how important would this birth certificate issue then be ... being Muslim <<

Those never were important!
The facts had been on the table from the start (and it was kind of funny that the same kind of people who were trying to keep the "muslim" myth alive were also fabricating an outcry over a particular pastor and church -not mosque- he had attended in the past... I guess they were trying to cover all the bases)

These items are simply serving as fail-safe pretense for those who can't come up with any rational fact to explain their pre-determined choice. They were never "issues" for any voter who actually was/is giving consideraton to all available candidates during the primary or the presidential election.

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LD

1:43 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

One of the major allegations regarding Obama's birth was based upon something that Obama was quoted as saying while he was a US Senator. Obama was quoted as saying he was the first US Senator that was born in Kenya. Clearly the birther "kooks" could not have back dated an article from years before Obama became president.

Big Ben

10:15 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012

November Rule # 1 - Anybody but Obama

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Jenne

2:08 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012

Yeah, those of us who are "Anybody but a Republican" and those who are "Anybody but Obama" are going to have to wait and see what the independents think, I'm afraid.

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Chris Antonelli

3:19 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Indies are already heavily leaning towards Romney.

Chris Antonelli

11:41 am on Monday, May 14, 2012

Allan,

I hear MSNBC needs some new primetime blood. Your slant may be just what they need. Obama was almost a full blown coke head. Which is worse?

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BellairBerdan

1:35 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

In my opinion a giggling unrepentant gay basher with selective memory that still wants to deny gays their rights is worse. Much worse.

Allan E. Fineberg

2:33 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Mr. Antonelli says, "Obama was almost a full blown coke head." Where did he glean that precious bit of information, I wonder? Faux News, perhaps?

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Jack B Goode

8:25 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

probably from the same playbook that call Romney a " a giggling unrepentant gay basher "
this country is divided and it is getting worse. People that run political campaigns present and practice character assassination. We as voters need to seek out true facts and shun the negative garbage.

funny rep's

2:56 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

i love republicans blindly supporting romney. you might as well vote obama- they both want big government and believe in obama care.
theres a big difference between obaba experimenting with drugs and romney ganging up on a weaker kid. drug although stupid you are only causing harm to yourself. piling on a kid and cutting his hair off is a true coward. granted its 50 years ago- however it speaks to his character. my 10 year old son would never do anything like this because we raised him to treat others the way you want to be treated.

romney=obama

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LD

3:07 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Republicans don't blindly support anyone. We balance the two people running for public office. Then decide that we are tired of protecting this country, watching brave men give their lives for what we consider important, only to have our current Commander n Chief apologize for what we were ordered to do. I have yet to hear any nation apologize for the brave men decapitated, dragged threw the streets and hung from bridges in the middle east. So do not state that you love republicans blindly supporting any candidate. It's insulting and offensive.

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funny rep's

3:18 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

well if thats what you really believe you should vote for ron paul or gary johnson. if you dont want "brave men decapitated, dragged threw the streets and hung from bridges in the middle east" than romeny (or obama) would be a bad choice

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LD

3:21 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Thank you for your recommendation. Instead of rendering me advice, perhaps you can take the time to instruct your 10 year old son not to make the generalizations that you seem to be inclined to make.

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Gary Rabinowitz

3:59 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

@ funny rep's: is there a voting %age that constitutes "blind support"?

how about 96% of a certain group's voting for obama in 2008 (vs 3% for mccain)? a support so well informed, even (or should I say, only?...) Howard Stern could mock it publicly....LOL

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-11-04/politics/exit.polls_1_exit-polls-obama-camp-john-mccain?_s=PM:POLITICS

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Jack B Goode

8:27 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Do you know for a fact that anything that you just commented on is true?
are there no people that blindly follow Obama?

Chris Antonelli

3:21 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Bottom line: Obama and his policies have failed. He needs to stop blaming everything on what he inherited. Great leaders get things done. he hasn't.

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funny rep's

3:50 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

chris i really mean this as an honest question. obama is not doing a good job and that has to change quick, but do you really think romney is the answer. to me its just replacing big governtment with a different big government.
also im always curious why republicans dont like ron paul. they preach the constitution but when they actually have a guy who wants to follow the constitution they ignore him or call him crazy.
if you could fill me in here, im not trying to instagate, ive just always been curious why rep's would prefer romeny instead of a who actaully stands up for the constitution and social and economical freedom

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Gary Rabinowitz

4:07 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

@ funny rep's: kidding aside, you ask 2 good questions: 1) is romney the answer? 2) why republicans don't like ron paul? on 1) a system and election process that renders, for a country of 300 million, 2 candidates will give a choice: bad and slightly less bad. 2) I think republicans generally do, but Paul "breaks down" w/ a few key issues: 1) middle class entitlements: while what Paul says people agree with, his remedy of slashing middle class entitlements makes, for example, old people AARP in their pants; military: while a poll I read suggests Paul received the most amount of votes from current & former enlisted republicans, he often times has similar policies, especially on Israel, to folks regarded as foreign policy weaklings (eg, Jimmy Carter). THat's just my attempt at objective analysis. CHeers, GXR

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Chris Antonelli

5:00 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Funny,
Obama is way too radical and social with his agenda. He had no experience in a leadership capacity prior to taking office, and still has not learned to move to the center (See Bill Clinton '95). His Senate leader refuses to put forth a budget, and he has surrounded himself with community activists ill-equipped to run anything. It's bad all the way around.

Romney was a business leader and a Governor. He has the executive experience and will most likely surround himself with others that have leadership experience.

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B@B

3:18 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Chris: What exactly is "radical" and "social" about Obama's agenda? If you are talking about health care "reform", what is social about buying insurance from private for-profit companies? Are you opposed to Medicare too?

As for Romney being a business leader and a governor, Romney is what we used to call a "corporate raider" or "leveraged buyout" specialist. For more on this, watch the original "Wall Street" -- especially Gordon Gekko's "Greed is good" speech. That's Romney. And his gubernatorial record? You ARE aware, I hope, that "Romneycare" is the model for Obama's HCR, right? And are you also aware that Massachusetts when from 37th in the state to 47th in the state for job creation during Romney's tenure? Only Ohio and Michigan, both battered by the manufacturing slump, and Katrina-devastated Louisiana did worse.

What kind of people with "leadership experience" do you expect Romney to surround himself with? People like HP head Meg Whitman, who announced today that HP will jettison 25,000 jobs this year and who made $16.5 million last year? Is that the kind of "job creators" you're placing your faith in?

Just because they are "business people" doesn't mean that they know how to, or even WANT to, create jobs in this country.

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Tommy P

5:55 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

@B@B, Greed IS good. It's nothing more than someone else's self interest. Health care and health care insurance are two very different things. It's radical to confuse the two. It's radical to think that inserting a third party into a transaction doesn't come without additional cost. It's radical to think there is a free lunch.

Romney maybe "bad" but Obama is worse. You can make an argument that voting for the lesser of two evils still gets you evil, but I don't see how you can make an argument Obama is the lesser of two evils.

HP improves millions of lives with its technologies, just because their workforce needs have decreased, doesn't mean less people are working, just less people working for HP. There are millions of small and medium business that take advantage of HP's products and hire millions of people. Your comment highlights how progressives don't think beyond the superficial. When you change an interdepency, it impacts the results. It's why we often see revenues increases after taxes rates are cut.

LD

3:48 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Mr. Fineberg, while I often enjoy your ability to spark debate, do you really think that Obama's association with Bill Ayers is in any way a positive? Ayers, the man who was involved with making home made bombs to be used at a dance at Fort Dix New Jersey? The man who was quoted as saying he didn't regret detonating bombs? Obama's association with Ayers is by far one of his most disturbing past advisers.

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Gary Rabinowitz

3:51 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

@ Allan Fineberg: I could not follow the point of your article -- did it have one? On your last two points/paragraphs, point #1: I think we can all agree that whatever Romney did or was accused of doing, it would've been expunged from his criminal record upon turning 18, no? And that ignores the fact that what he did (or is accused of doing) was not criminal (no matter how "hateful" it was or is perceived in 2012). You say as much, but not w/o first mockingly fessing up to relatively minor things as a youth (or as they say in JC these days, "yoof"). What the....? That this Romney "scandal" is getting such air time is an embarrassment to this country. It's a non-event. On point #2) you state "whenever you hear some guy whining about gays, homosexuality...that..guy...has issues about his own sexual identity." The old canard: only a repressed gay would be so "homophobic." Your unprovable (and thus incontrovertible) assertion is backed up with .....two obscure examples: Haggard & Craig. Tell me, why can't "homophobes" repulsion or objection to homosexuality be as innate and "natural" as gays' attraction to the same sex? Why the homophobephobia? I throw this out there for illustration's sake -- all the imputing of motives to "haters" or objectors or whatever Romney supporters are called is wild *ss speculation and conjecture. Suggestion: cut out the pseudo-sophisticated bovine excrement, Allan Fineberg....

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funny rep's

4:11 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

thanks for trying to explain the ron paul situation.

i also dont understand the point allen is trying to make in this article

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Bill

10:23 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

"And that ignores the fact that what he did (or is accused of doing) was not criminal (no matter how "hateful" it was or is perceived in 2012)."

Gary - If I'm understanding it correctly, he was accused of taking part in an attack where a person was forcibly restrained while someone cut his hair off. I think that qualifies as assault and battery, whichever era we're talking about. Now, if you want to make the case that someone of Mitt Romney's social status would not have been charged for something like that, especially back then, I will agree with you there. But that doesn't negate the criminality of it.
Still, what bothers me more than the incident itself is that Romney doesn't remember it.

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Toni M.

11:01 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

I got a bad haircut once too? Can I charge the hairdresser?

Art Elmers

3:57 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Give me a break.
Whenever I watch MSNBC It becomes obvious that they are in the tank for the President. Just look at how the guests answer questions. Instead of answering the question possed they immediately go to the same talking points.
Whenever I watch Fox News it is quite obvious that they would like to fill Obama's tank with man eating sharks. Their guests are dopplegangers of those on MSNBC.
I blame both parties for the lack of honest debate and I really dislike being treated as if we are all idiots.
I am still waiting for a box on the ballot labled "None of the above". My gut feeling is that it just might get more than 50% of the vote.

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LD

4:08 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Gay rights and abortion are social issues that have been delegated to the States. So march on the State house, elect the proper State officials to get what rights you think you're entitled to get. I am tired of the Obama spin raising social issues to cover for his inability to address national and international issues. Everytime his fake luster fades, his machine spins. His declaration last week meant nothing, if he was true to his beliefs he would have made the declaration years ago.

As for a confrontation decades ago, why is it that Allan can "learn as he grows" but Romney cannot possibly have learned. Times have changed, people have evolved. A school prank is sometimes just a school prank, not a premonition of a devil to come.

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PeoplePlease

5:26 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

If you want to elect your president based on his "gay marriage" position please go right ahead. However in 35 years, when our country is forced to turn its back on its elderly - those that are now 35-45 - because we as a people thought that life was not fair and it was our duty to make life fair and easy for everyone, please remember that the rhetoric early in this general election cycle has revolved around stay at home moms, gay marriage and the antics of a 16 year old kid.

Social issues are important in marriage and family only. You hire someone that has views and ideas that get business done. The business that needs to get done is reducing the national debt by eliminating entitlement "make life easy" spending and creating a job building, pro business environment. Everything else is added value and addressable once you have our real national security under control.

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Journey

11:55 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Then lets do away with all state recognized marriage. The government isn't supposed to meddle in religion anyway. Declare all already recognized marriages civil unions, and let religious institutions handle marriage.

Allan E. Fineberg

10:18 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Luca D. says: "Gay rights and abortion are social issues that have been delegated to the States." Alabama had a Governor, George Wallace, who had the same opinion about segregation. But, are rights really delegated to the States? Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness....aren't those concepts certain unalienable rights?

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LD

12:32 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Preemption clause of US Constitution gives the States right to deal with laws that the Federal government does not regulate. Gay rights and abortion rights are two such areas. There is no denying that. Your statement is mixing apples and oranges. As of this date, the Federal government has not included these social issues under their "life liberty" definition.

ddevine

1:17 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

WHEN WILL I BE ABLE TO LEGALLY HAVE 2 HUSBANDS OR MORE. I WOULD LIKE ONE FOR EACH DAY OF THE WEEK. WHAT ABOUT MY RIGHT TO BE HAPPY?

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Gary Rabinowitz

1:22 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

@ Luca D. - sadly, the states are weak, subservient political entities that mostly administer the laws dictated to them by the Feds (including the super-legislators of the supreme court). While I'd like to share your optimism, unfortunately I find your expectation (hope?) that the Feds would reserve gay rights, abortion (or any issue the political elites decide to act on) to the states is false, Luca D.

@ Allan E. Fineberg - yes, we get it, because of segregation (and before that, slavery) people like you (ie, The Great and Good) have nullified the Constitution. Ironically Allan, you live in the state with the most segregated school system in the US (read this - http://blog.nj.com/njv_bob_braun/2011/05/braun_bringing_nj_schools_raci.html). Knowing that Allan, would you like the Feds to come into NJ with the National Guard and "desegregate" the public schools? Your Bergen County readers await your sage advice.....GXR

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LD

2:28 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

@Gary It's realty. As it currently stands, each State decides whether gay marriage is legal : In NY it is, in NJ it is not, etc. So I don't understand how my expection/hope could be "false".

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Gary Rabinowitz

3:20 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

@ Luca D. - I agree that's how "it currently stands," until it doesn't when (if) the US supreme court decides otherwise. There but for the grace of the supreme court goes any state law, in other words. I am going by precedent Luca D - no insult / offense intended - look at immigration laws (federal courts nullified AZ and AL), state abortion laws - as merely 2 examples. Their contorted judicial logic, invented whole cloth out of nothing, defy precedence. I hope the state's decisions & jurisdiction over gay marriage "as it currently stands" remain so. My hope notwithstanding, I just don't think they will. We shall see.....cheers, GXR

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LD

3:54 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

@Gary I appreciate your statement, but while the Supreme Court may strike down state laws that are not constitutional, they are not going to change who initially decides to make the law. So unless and until the Congress decides that gay rights and abortion are federal issues, the States will continue to regulate it and be struck down by the Supreme Court like a ping pong game. No matter what Obama declares about gay marriage or abortion, his statements remain hollow, meaningless, just a publicity stunt and spin.

Allan E. Fineberg

2:14 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

To one and all, as a devout Pastafarian, I pray that the Flying Spaghetti Monster may wrap you in his noodly appendage. May all your meatballs be little ones. Ramen and ramen!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtIyYEPVgTk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loCekJ_i2z0

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Tracy Mattei

2:45 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Allan, that is fun stuff! Will you be donning full pirate regalia around town?

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Gary Rabinowitz

3:24 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

@ Allan Fineberg: your responses are stranger than fiction. Please find another venue for your weird & incoherent posts.

Allan E. Fineberg

2:53 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

I'll have to go over to Ken's Magic Shop and see if they have my size, matey. Aaargh.

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