The last couple of elections in this city have really got me thinking. Taken at face value, none of it makes any sense.
Look Who Got Elected
For starters, consider the City Council election last May. Incumbent Third Ward Councilman Michael Russo was re-elected by a huge margin over his opponent despite the fact that, just prior to the election, FBI tapes were released showing him accepting a bribe from an informant – this latest revelation being only the icing on his already large, well-documented, corruption cake. (See the 'Links' section at the bottom of this article for links to further reading on this and other items discussed in this article.)
Russo's cousin (once removed), incumbent First Ward Councilwoman Theresa Castellano, also won by a comfortable margin. Castellano is the longest serving council member (twenty years) and she too has been the center of corrupt dealings in the past. One example: in 2000, she single-handedly awarded a big fat raise to her cousin, then mayor, and now convicted felon (and Michael Russo's father), Anthony Russo. Fortunately, a lawsuit launched by a citizen resulted in the raise being nixed.
Both Russo and Castellano handily defeated their opponents – reform-minded residents sick and tired of Hoboken's long history of corruption. Corruption won the day.
In last April's School Board elections the same thing happened. A slate bankrolled by local real-estate developer Frank Raia swept the elections. Receiving the highest number of votes was incumbent Carmelo Garcia, a long time School Board member; his board position being one of three jobs he presently holds (two of them tax-payer funded). In 2006 Garcia was found guilty of violating the New Jersey School Ethics Act by voting to award a job to his brother, and another job to his boss at the time, former Hudson County Freeholder Maurice Fitzgibbons.
Frances Rhodes-Kearns was another member of Raia's slate. She also happens to be Maurice Fitzgibbons' cousin, and she was a member of convicted Mayor Peter Cammarano's election slate in 2009. In 2005, as School Board President, Rhodes-Kearns voted to award a job-for-life, with notoriously lax terms of employment, to fellow School Board member, David Anthony, who already had a full-time job (another board member who voted in favor was Frank Raia). Fortunately, Anthony chose to resign from this job after a reform majority swept the School Board elections last year. This year, however, was a different story: Rais's slate trounced the anti-corruption reform candidates.
All of these politicians have a well-known history of corruption and yet they were elected by wide margins. What could possibly be going on? Who could possibly be voting for these people? How could their anti-corruption opponents lose so badly? At City Hall, when it became clear that Raia's slate had swept the elections, Raia was heard saying that the win confirmed that the people were sick and tired of what's been going on and wanted a change. Huh? A change from reform to corruption? Who would want that?
While these questions are seemingly baffling, the answers become evident when we take a look back at Hoboken's history.
Feast Bombs
No one would dispute that Hoboken is no longer the city it used to be. Talk to anyone who's lived hear more than ten years and you'll hear them remark how much things have changed. Talk to someone who's lived here more than fifty years and you'll get an earful.
The changes started with the loss of the city's traditional employers: the factories, the ship yards, and all the services that supported them. By the early '70s they were almost all gone and Hoboken was destitute and crumbling. In 1970 the Urban League named Hoboken one of seven cities in the US that might well be past saving. And then came gentrification.
It started slowly in the late '60s as artists started to move in and, by the mid-'80s, it became white hot as "newcomers," more commonly referred to by the derisive term "Yuppies," moved into shiny new developments in droves. What came next was inevitable given the hyper-development in a mile-square city: old butted up against new and, occasionally, sparks would fly. The issue that came to symbolize this clash of cultures was the "feast bombs."
Today, residents are undoubtedly familiar with the different religious processions and feasts that take place during the summer months and early fall. But one aspect of the feasts is a shadow of what it used to be. Traditionally, the celebrations included lighting fireworks in the streets – known as "feast bombs" – for nights on end. To some newcomers, this was charming at first but, after a night or two of lost sleep, the feast bombs became irritating.
A letter of complaint from a "Yuppie" to the Hoboken Reporter in 1986 became the first shot in what was to become a popular, long-running war of words in the paper's letters section. As the argument was framed at the time, the feast bomb issue forced Hoboken residents to choose a side: "us" or "them." The old Hoboken BnRs ("born and raised") saw their old community disappearing and they blamed the Yuppies for it.
The Yuppie Myth
And here we are, a quarter century later, and I invite you to listen to a thirty second excerpt of a speech made only last year by First Ward Councilperson Theresa Castellano by watching the video that accompanies this article.
Listening to the rousing cheers Castellano receives, it's clear that not much has changed since 1986. But how can that be? It's a stretch to be calling people who moved to Hoboken twenty, thirty, or forty years ago "Yuppies." Many of these so-called Yuppies have established their own businesses in the city, they've raised families in the city, their kids go to school and play on teams with BnR kids. In fact, these Yuppie's kids are part of the next generation of BnRs! The whole idea of "Yuppie" is ridiculous today – it's a myth. Nevertheless, this Yuppie myth persists. Why? Well, the reason why brings us back to the where we started: corruption.
Keeping the Myth Alive
Castellano, Russo, Garcia and Rhodes-Kearns, and many others, have a vested interest in keeping the Yuppie myth alive. It's in their best interest to encourage their supporters to believe they are under siege by Yuppies; that Yuppies are trying to destroy their community. This is how they get the votes they desperately need. The fear and anger they arouse blinds people to the damage they have done to the city, and to the damage they have demonstrated a willingness to do if they regain power. Look no further than Russo and Castellano's recent concerted efforts to kill Hoboken's only hospital, layoff masses of city workers, and leave the Police Department in a state of disrepair.
Not every one of their supporters necessarily believes the Yuppie myth. A small number stand to gain if the people they support gain power, so it's as convenient for them to perpetuate the myth as it is for the people they support. The City of Hoboken and the Hoboken School Board have a long history of hiring unqualified friends and relatives, awarding them with raises, no-bid contracts, jobs created out of thin air, or cheap housing. Forensic audits requested by the current reform majorities on City Council and the School Board have uncovered numerous examples of this.
Obviously not every supporter can benefit so richly; the city and School Board budgets can only be stretched so far – and they most certainly have, most recently resulting in the near bankruptcy of the city in 2008. Also, it mustn't be forgotten that these awards don't come for free. Those awarded are expected to give back. In the immortal words of Councilman Russo, captured on FBI tapes as he boasted about finding housing for someone in exchange for political favors: "I do for you, you do for me."
When an unqualified friend or relative is awarded, then those who legitimately qualify are passed over. For example, When someone is awarded housing, those already waiting for housing have to wait for a few more years. When someone is awarded with a job or a raise, then a more deserving qualified person is less likely to receive one. Basically, the majority of those who support corrupt politicians end up worse off than if they hadn't supported them. These supporters, the vast majority of them, while perhaps holding out hope for a job or housing, will get nothing more than a Christmas poinsettia, an Easter basket, $100 in the Bingo pot, or $40 "street money" for their vote on election day.
Is this the answer then? Is this why corrupt politicians continue to be elected? Is is because of a fear and hatred of Yuppies, a few bucks or a potted plant, and the hope of receiving a job or cheap housing? As the voting record reveals, the answer appears to be "yes."
Who Invited the Yuppies?
The ultimate irony is, of course, that the Yuppie invasion so many blame for their loss of community is a direct result of supporting corrupt politicians in the first place. Think of it this way: if too many relatives show up at your house for Thanksgiving dinner, do you blame the relatives? No. You blame your spouse for inviting them all.
So who invited the Yuppies to Hoboken? Every mayor but one in the course of 36 years, from 1973 to 2009, has been pro hyper-development, actively inviting Yuppies to move to Hoboken: Steven Cappiello, Patrick Pasculli, Anthony Russo, David Roberts and, of course, most recently Peter Cammarano. Yet every one of these mayors was embraced as a savior from the Yuppie scourge despite their working tirelessly to develop every acre of the city, at the expense of parkland, infrastructure and services.
It should be remembered that the only reason Hoboken has its beautiful waterfront parks is because of fierce opposition and lawsuits from the community; people who recognized that over-development was destroying Hoboken's community. One has to question why these mayors, and their majority councils, encouraged development over so many years when they could plainly see the damage it was causing. For three of these mayors, Anthony Russo, David Roberts, and Peter Cammarano, the reason is clear. Russo's wife netted in excess of $1,000,000 in commissions from exclusive real-estate agent listings for new condo development projects that were approved while her husband was mayor. Roberts' received over $35,000 in direct campaign contributions, and tens of thousands more in indirect contributions via the Hudson County Democratic Organization and the Hoboken Democratic Party, all from the development company whose plans he supported. Cammarano was convicted for receiving kickbacks from an FBI informant posing as a real estate developer.
And let's not forget the School Board. Many people don't realize how important the School Board is for Hoboken, as is evident from the paltry 9% of Hoboken's registered voters who bothered to cast votes in the April School Board elections. Nevertheless, the School Board oversees a large budget, almost $60 million, of which $36 million factors into city taxes.
Control over such a large pot of money, combined with the relative ease of winning a School Board seat, is what makes the School Board such an attractive target for corrupt politicians. They pilfer the School Board the same way that a corrupt City Council and mayor pilfer the city: by awarding jobs and no-bid contracts to unqualified friends and relatives. Not only do Hoboken's taxpayers get stuck footing the bill, but Hoboken's kids suffer because the money in the budget is diverted to corrupt politicians and their friends, not to the schools.
But there's something even more insidious at play when corruption infiltrates the School Board – something that should give pause to those who still believe the Yuppie myth: electing corrupt politicians to the School Board serves to further deteriorate Hoboken's community. Poor schools make the city less attractive for families, but it's families that form the basis for any community.
Repairing Hoboken's Community
So the Yuppie myth is exactly that: a myth. It's not the Yuppies we should be scared of, it's the corrupt politicians. For decades they've done nothing but erode Hoboken's sense of community in order to live a life of comfort at the expense of Hoboken residents, old and new. "Yuppies" have been taking up residence and raising families in Hoboken for over forty years now; it goes without saying that they have as much a stake in building Hoboken's community as any other resident. In fact, many Yuppies have taken part in efforts to slow down development, create park space, and root out corruption.
Today, Hoboken is at a critical juncture. As evidenced by the past two elections, the forces of corruption have joined together to effectively erode the reform majorities on both the City Council and the School Board. Anti-corruption reformers currently maintain only the slimmest of majorities. Former political enemies like the Russo family, Frank Raia, and Beth Mason first joined forces to support Tim Occhipinti's successful bid for City Council in late 2010, and repeated their success last May.
These same forces successfully got out the vote for Michael Russo, Theresa Castellano, Beth Mason, Carmelo Garcia, Frances Rhodes-Kearns, and Peter Biancamano. Occhipinti and Biancamano's campaign teams, and their voting records since they were elected, reveal they are nothing more than the new faces of the corrupt Old Guard. Meanwhile, reform candidates fared poorly in the elections, despite a concerted effort on their part to get out the vote. What happened? Do the majority of the Hoboken electorate actually believe the Yuppie myth?
No. The answer is simply that fewer people have been voting since reformers gained majority control only two years ago. The numbers say it all: only 3,400 of 36,000 (9%) of registered voters voted in the last School Board election, and only 7,900 (22%) voted in the last City Council election. Compare this to just two years earlier when 5,000 (14%) voted in the the 2010 School Board elections, and over 13,000 (36%) voted in the November 2009 mayoral election.
When fewer people vote, those who support the Yuppie myth have more influence, and corrupt politicians are more likely to be elected. Given the tenuous position of reform majorities at present, it follows that if more people don't vote in upcoming elections, then corruption will reign once more in Hoboken. Eligible voters take note: the next two elections are the Hudson County Freeholder election on November 8th, with reformer Kurt Gardiner opposing incumbent Anthony Romano, and the School Board election in April 2012, where reformers are likely to oppose a slate supported by Frank Raia, Beth Mason, and the Russo family.
I want to close with a story I heard recently about a Mom in a local park talking to two boys who were looking for kids to play ball with. The Mom suggested the kids go play with a couple of kids nearby, to which one replied "Nah. We don't want to play with them. They're Yuppies." This is a tragedy. A new generation is being brain-washed with the Yuppie myth, virtually guaranteeing that Hoboken will remain a dysfunctional community for decades to come. This has to stop, and the only way to stop it is to stop supporting the corruption that is causing it. The less influence a corrupt politician has, the more people will ignore them and, eventually, they will become inconsequential, and disappear, unable to poison the community any more.
Links
- RussoCorruption.com. A web site documenting Michael Russo's, and his family's, history of corrupt activities. Link
- Hoboken Reporter article, August 19 2000, by David Danzig, describing Theresa Castellano's one-person vote to award a raise to her cousin, then Mayor Anthony Russo. Link
- Hoboken Reporter article, March 14 2006, by Tom Jennemann, describing ethics charges against Carmelo Garcia. Link
- nj.com article, April 4 2011, by Terrence McDonald, describing the three government jobs currently held by Carmelo Garcia. Link
- Hoboken Journal article, June 30 2010, by Kurt Gardiner, describing Frances Rhodes-Kearns' vote to award David Anthony a job, and details regarding Anthony's contract. Link
- nj.com article, March 3 2009, by Carly Baldwin, stating that convicted Mayor Peter Cammarano's slate included Frances Rhodes-Kearns and Angel Alicea. In addition to Cammarano's conviction in 2010, Alicea resigned as the city's Public Safety Directory in April 2011 when it was discovered that Alicea had not disclosed he had met with the same FBI informant that Michael Russo and Peter Cammarano had met with in 2009. Link
- "From Another Time: Hoboken in the 1970s," edited by Robert Foster, designed by McKevin Shaughnessy, published by the Hoboken Historical Museum, 2007, ISBN 978-0-9768525-2-0 . This fantastic book includes engaging essays, by "BnR" Anthony DePalma and "Yuppie" Sada Fretz, describing life in Hoboken in the 1970s. It also includes more than 150 beautiful, large format, black and white photos of Hoboken from that time, taken by three talented photographers: Caroline Carlson, John Conn, and Benedict Fernandez. The book can be purchased from the Hoboken Historical Society. Link
- The Hoboken Historical Museum online archives. This is a vast, searchable archive of photos, illustrations and documents in the museum's collection. It's very easy to get lost looking at photos of Hoboken, some of which date back to the beginning of the last century. Also you can find some of the photos from the aforementioned "From Another Time: Hoboken in the 1970s" book here. Link
- Hoboken Historical Museum. If you aren't already a member of the Hoboken Historical Museum, you can join online. Link
- New York Times article, March 6 1987, by By Michael Winerip, describing the war of "Feast Bomb" letters in the Hoboken Reporter. Link
- Hoboken Reporter article, October 20 2011, describing how recent "No" votes from Michael Russo, Theresa Castellano, Beth Mason and Tim Occhipinti, have put many city workers in jeopardy of being laid off, and prevented the Police Department headquarters from undergoing much needed repairs. Link
- Hoboken Patch article, September 22 2011, by Claire Moses, describing how the recent "No" votes from Michael Russo, Theresa Castellano, Beth Mason and Tim Occhipinti, jeopardized the existence of Hoboken's only hospital. Link
- New York Times article, June 26 2008, by Peter Applebome, describing how Hoboken's budget grew from $52 million to over $100 million in only 7 years, resulting in the State of New Jersey appointing a fiscal monitor to take control of Hoboken's budget. Link
- New York Times article, February 9 1986, by Anthony DePalma, describing how pro-development Mayor Steven Cappiello was ousted after 12 years in office by anti-development Mayor Thomas Vezzetti. Vezzetti died of a heart attack three years later. Link
- New York Times article, May 5 1989, by Anthony DePalma, describing the pro-development stance of Mayor Patrick Pasculli. Link
- RussoCorruption.com. This site provides links to documents showing that Mayor Anthony Russo's wife, Michele Russo, made in excess of $1 million in real estate transactions for condo development projects approved by City Hall while Anthony Russo was mayor. Link
- New York Times article, March 20 2005, by Terry Golway, describing the community uproar over Mayor David Roberts endorsement of a massive redevelopment plan by developers who had contributed over $35,000 to his election campaigns. Link
- New York Times article, April 20 2010, by Richard Pérez-Peña, describing Mayor Peter Cammarano's guilty plea to accepting campaign contributions in exchange for favoring development projects. Link
- Delivered Vacant, 1992. A terrific documentary film by Nora Jacobson chronicling the tumultous history of Hoboken's development from 1984 to 1992. Available on loan from the Hoboken Historial Museum for museum members.Link
- Fund for a Better Waterfront. A citizen-based organization that has, over the past two decades, worked to ensure that Hoboken's waterfront can be enjoyed by the community. Link
- Hoboken Journal article, March 28 2011, by Kurt Gardiner, providing an overview of the recent School Board budget. Link
- Hoboken Patch article, November 2 2010, by Claire Moses, describing Tim Occhipinti's election win, as he is surrounded by his supporters, Councilman Michael Russo, Councilwoman Theresa Castellano, and Councilwoman Beth Mason. Link
- Hoboken Reporter article, December 19 2010, by Ray Smith, exploring the unusually high correlation between the Occhipinti campaign's paid workers and vote-by-mail submissions. Link
- Hoboken Reporter article, June 5 2011, by Ray Smith, describing Frank Raia and Beth Mason's financing of the School Board election slate comprising Carmelo Garcia, Frances Rhodes-Kearns, and Peter Biancamano. It also describes the unusually strong correlation between the slate's paid campaign workers and vote-by-mail submissions. Link
- Mile Square View article, November 4 2009, by Roman Brice, showing vote tallies for the most recent mayoral election, won by current Mayor Dawn Zimmer. Link
- Hoboken Patch article, April 20 2010, by Claire Moses, showing vote tallies for the spring 2010 School Board election in which reformers swept all three seats. Link
- Hoboken Reporter article, July 10 2011, by Ray Smith, describing low turnouts in the 2011 City Council and 2011 School Board elections. Link
- Hoboken Reporter article, June 12 2011, by Ray Smith, investigating what motivated Third Ward residents to re-elect Michael Russo, in light of Russo's corrupt history. The responses he receives from Russo's supporters reveal they are blind to corruption and the damage he has inflicted on their city. Link
Hobbs
1:57 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011
Well said Mr. Bond.
Looking to blame others for BnRs burning out and killing BnRs .....
On the 30th aniversary of the infamous fires that burned building and murdered Hobokeners (Delivered Vacant) many still wonder why then Mayor Cappielo refused help from the FBI to find the criminals. No one was ever brought to justice though rumors persist that many knew who was responsible but were terrified for their families to speak up.
Politicains like the ssaw the political advantage of deamonizing the new people coming to Hoboken back then and as you point out still do today. All the while making personal fortunes from the influx of new residents.and when that wasn't enough to satisfy their greed they took bribes to pocket even more money.
Novemeber 8th vote for Kurt Gardnier for Freeholder.
Vote for Kurt Gardnier for Freeholder.
hoboken rules
9:43 am on Monday, February 25, 2013
this isnt true my friend the ther day while there was still snow on the ground had a snowball fight with the yuppies and we beat them and they nver came back to the park yuppies are taking over everywhere go somewhere else this is hoboken not yuppievville look around no one likes yuppies
Hobbs
2:05 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011
......Politicians like the Russos saw the political advantage of deamonizing the new people coming to Hoboken............................................................
hobokenhorse.com
2:50 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011
An excellent article that all Hoboken residents should see. A large part of the induced division is based on class warfare.
One important aspect to note is the division of taxpayers vs. those who don't pay taxes. The subsidized housing developments in Hoboken are the primary force who support the old, dark ways.
It's entrenched to the point where Beth Mason who was elected as a reform minded candidate did a u-turn and is now in bed with the Russo clan. She was elected last May with less votes than in 2007 although she spent a sum well into six figures.
While she has lost her base, she was able to replace those votes with ones from subsidized housing.
The battle though is very much in the present. For that:
http://mile square view.com
Eileen
4:17 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011
For those who would like to see Delivered Vacant, it is being shown this Saturday 10/29 at the Community Church at 6th and Garden, along with a 35 minute documentary Jacobson made of the battle that was waged (and won) through a citizen driven referendum that resulted in Pier A Park. Films start at 7pm and admission is $15.
pat
6:08 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011
Excellent analysis, Greg.
The film 'Delivered Vacant" is on sale for $27 - $24 plus $3 shipping & handling.
http://www.offthegridproductions.com/pages/films/index.html
franksinatra
7:14 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011
what a bunch of nonsense, greg. on the school board, you see a difference between the voting records of the so-called "reformers" of Kids First and the BnRs that just isn't there. as far as i can see, the two sides virtually always agree--voting together against reform virtually every time. the only exception was the vote to fire Ohaus and Hillenbrand. KF voted to fire two of our best teachers and the BnRs voted to keep them. Under KF taxes have gone up 4% in two years and test scores are far lower than when they took over. The lack of transparency, the terrible decisions, the sheer incompetence haven't changed at all under KF. Is this because the BnRs still actually control the board 5-4 (with Markel and Sobolov always voting their anti-reform instincts and the rest of KF following) or is it because when people get into office, they quickly get co-opted by the system and the perks of power and drop their reform pretensions before the swearing-in is even over. The same thing goes on at city hall. Dawn could've reached out to the BnRs and been the mayor for the whole town but instead chose to be far more partisan and divisive than the BnRs ever were. The BnRs got us into this hospital mess--Russo and Castellano, i'm looking at you--and Dawn is making it much worse by signing away hundreds of millions of dollars in parking privileges--yes, that's right, do the math--to save us the maybe $10 or $20 million we'd lose on the site after the condos built. how are we better off?
Redrider765
7:22 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011
You will see a difference if the corrupt elements that ran the BOE in the past hire another superintendent who uses the BOE as a patronage mill like it was a few years ago. Just imagine all the useless dead weight they will put on the payroll. You want 3 business administrators? How about a guy to run the Xerox machine or swap out window AC units? Dozens of make work jobs are now gone. They can just as easily be refilled if the people wrong people get elected.
Redrider765
7:24 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011
BTW, why the hell do you think Raia and the Russos are sniffing around those BOE meetings lately? They want their hands on that money. As far as I am concerned, they are the last people I want near that money.
As for your rant on the parking agreement, check your math again and recheck your assumptions. We are giving absolutely nothing away.
John Keim
2:44 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Bravo and encore! The Donaldson hearing was an embarrasment to advocates for good public education. The "reformers" voted to deny tenure to two teachers who were shining stars of the system (in fact, Irene Sobolav used to run tours of the high school for prospective students and their parents that highlighted Paula's contributions as positive but she didn't have the cajones to suppert Paula's bid for tenure - purely political and divisive). My kid went to Hoboken High, Irene's doesn't.
hobokenhorse.com
4:14 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
For the record, Ohaus hadn't even taught in the schools for years and in the end didn't want to do the theater production. She requested to do just five classes and get the moolah for tenure.
The other lady didn't qualify for her program based on the required certificate and was an administrator.
So can we leave the education propaganda to those threads where the deadbeats can cry and make up stuff since they aren't on the Hoboken gravy train anymore down in Texas?
Passkey
11:34 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
That theater teacher taught classes and had fine reviews. She received statewide and national attention and awards for her productions and had hundreds of parents and children come out to support her tenure. The video of that Donaldson meeting is currently being used by teacher union advocates, shown to policy makers, and is being presented at national conferences on educational administration. People literally cannot believe what they see when they are shown that video.
p1ywood
8:26 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011
Mr Bond writes with a clarity, truth, thoroughness and accessibility that is only rivaled by few. This article need be mass produced and distributed to everyone who will take a copy. Unfortunately, as seen by the post by f-s above, some people find the facts distasteful and therefore deny them. I have been here a long time and can tell you, that as Mr Bond elaborates on, the reality is there are two Hobokens, but hope springs eternal as I see the line blur a bit more with each passing year. Extremists are getting harder and harder to find, but the task of integration of the populace is still very much a work in progress, prejudice is still alive and well in the subtleties.
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p1ywood
8:27 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011
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Of course, positive change is rarely simple, tidy or easily won. However, the key, as Mr Bond champions, is voter registration and to do what one can to access the sleeping giant of voters who get the short end of the stick with their tax bills, and get them to think for a few minutes not about the sound-bytes, but the actual dynamics in play that make Hoboken, and by extension New Jersey one of the most expensive cities to live in the nation. As well, the less advantaged who need to see that the coming together and spirit of cooperation of all residents is the best answer, and they should vote accordingly. Because without that comes riddles like after 150 years of residents paying taxes, we still don't have a municipal pool. What's that about? On and on it goes.
Thanks a million, Greg. You've penned another true masterpiece worthy of maintenance in the Historical Museum in it's eloquent capture of a moment, or should I say crossroads, in Hoboken history.
morey amsterdam
8:27 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011
Don't leave out Geri Fallo. Russo co-opted her to bring in the "artist" vote by creating the Cultural Affairs job. She paid him back by running for BOE on his ticket and then spent her board tenure barely showing up for meetings but always rubber stamping.
Hobbs
9:02 am on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Speaking of not showing up for BOE meetings you would think after spening so much time, effort and money to get the seat Carmelo Garcia would actually show up more often.
rtrux
8:55 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011
great article, hard to believe but true. i wish there was a way to email this link to everyone who lives in the shipyard/tea building, post in their lobbies, etc. this needs to be read by all the "new" 2nd ward residents who couldn't be bothered to vote in the past, causing beth mason to slip in again. would be a great piece to use once the mason recall effort gets underway.
InfotainMe
9:43 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011
My kids were born in Hoboken. But they'll never be bnr's. Of all the people in town they like best the bnr's that don't much care about politics. They find them more interesting that urban professionals. Can't say I blame them.
Just as much as there is a yuppie myth, there is a bnr myth. My kids barely had a "yuppie" generation to grow up with, since most people were leaving town when the kids turned 2 back then. So they grew up with so-called bnr's. It was ok then. It seems to have become less ok since.
For the longest time there were just "people who grew up in Hoboken". At some point they became bnr's. There are, for example, no bnr's in Jersey City or Bayonne, just natives. For some reason Hoboken needs this designation. It seems to be embraced most by those who are by inclination 'political'.
It's an unfortunate term in that it covers all people of a very general background, and most of them don't deserve the get-over implications that come with it.
At some point this dirty little war will be over. And we'll have to find a way to live with each other. The ending of the cold war is a pretty good guide. Most of the communists turned out to be Russians who could give a rat's ass about communism.
morey amsterdam
10:33 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011
Your children were born here. They are being raised here. Therefore, they are born and raised - or bnr's. Why deny it? Because you clearly prefer to use bnr as a pejorative. "My kids barely had a "yuppie" generation to grow up with..." What the hell are you talking about? "Yuppies" (whatever they hell that even means at this point - you're probably one yourself) have never really left town - they are just second, and now going on third generation. And, I have news for you - yes, they use the term bnr in JC and Bayonne too. In fact it's become common usage all over Hudson County.
You are one of the most insufferable pontificators on any site. Listen to yourself and then get over your self-important rear-end. Cripes, you don't even live here.
InfotainMe
4:42 am on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Well it's not always that easy to pontificate sufferably.. Got any pointers?
I am drawing a distinction between simply 'being from Hoboken', which my kids are, and the growing "you're not one of us" political distinction bnr. In the same way that I am drawing a distinction between a communist and a Russian. I ask my neighbors to not lump everyone who was born in this community in with the Russos, Castellanos, and grifters. I ask you to try the decaf.
Passkey
9:22 am on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
I always thought this interview gave a good description of what it was like to grow up in Hoboken and how the town developed throughout the 70's, 80's and early 90's. Written by an interesting and insightful gentleman--
http://www.hobokenmuseum.org/chapbooks/01-DeFaziochapbk.pdf
Khoboken
3:49 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
pASSkey
Dont you have some class to teach in TEXAS? Bug off.
getitstraitfr
9:09 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Seriously passkey - You are just as guilty as the Russo's. You and the Tburns brigade are all just a bunch of taxpayer moochers. Your additionally guilty of sucking the blood of children. You are a no good for nothing X-ASST super, now sucking the blood of Texans. May you rot like a Halloween pumpkin on Nov 1.
Passkey
10:40 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
I've said it many times before-- I was never fortunate enough to go to college and I've only been to Texas a few times passing through in Houston. But I think the guy you are mentioning did a pretty good job.
Journey
10:33 am on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
The difference our children will experience is when they are older and they start emulating the biases and bigotry of their parents (on both sides).
Right now my 3 year old will play with anyone, boy/girl, infant/tween, speaks English/doesn't. All they have to be is doing something that she thinks is interesting and she will join in.
Some day in the future she will meet a kid who has learned that for some reason he/she is different in some way from my daughter, and then things will get interesting, and not usually in a good way. It doesn't matter where you live, it is what happens, I remember when I first started hearing jokes because I was something uncommon in my neighborhood, I was part Polish and German, and not Italian/Irish like my classmates.
The only thing I can do about it is to teach my kid, as my parents taught me, is to respect myself and my neighbors, and to appreciate the differences and realize that we also have much in common.
Journey
11:39 am on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
My parents also taught me to judge people on their words and actions, not the way they looked, sounded or anything else they had no control over.
Hobbs
11:14 am on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
When politicains like Russo, Castellano, Garcia, Raia and others have bred and used us against them to line their pockets and that is despicable
4321
12:08 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
To better understand, I think you need to see Hoboken as what it is....the worlds biggest, small town.
Anyone from a small town can tell you that it's not what you have done, but who you are and what you did 15 years ago on the sporting fields, in the community as a student. The 1st, and 3rd wards...and to an extent parts of 2nd and 4th wards, is the small town. In these areas it's your name that matters - nothing more. If your brother was a good QB, you will be a QB. If your father was known as a traditionalist, then you will be known as a traditionalist....all based on your name.
Hoboken is a small town, and the new guard needs to realize that. Once they understand the history to Hoboken and consider the history of Hoboken in their views, they will get along better with the old guard. The old guard also needs to realize that the new guard has Hoboken's best interest in mind. I liken this to when you start a new job with a new company. You come in...evaluate the processes, then after a few months you say "Hey, you know, I think if we do that in this way, we may get a better result."
I come from a small town where I was more or less considered an outsider as I was one of the only kids in my graduating class of 96, who was not related to someone in town. I learned quickly that favor is given based on your name and that you have to work hard to overcome that prejudice.
hobokenhorse.com
4:24 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
GHill without critique to your substance here, as someone who if not coined the term Old Guard, MSV uses it extensively and differently in the application you apply here.
There is a legitimate self-view of Old Hoboken steeped in sports, school and tradition of stores and family businesses. All of this is part of Hoboken's rich past. No issue there.
The Old Guard constitutes the old, dark "On the Waterfront" way of doing political business and is led by a crew of corrupt forces who backed Peter Cammarano and have been working to undermine the current mayor to the point of fanaticism.
Their petty vindictive hatreds seen most visibly by MORTe (Italian for death) - Mason, Occhiptinit, Russo and Terry Castellano have made clear there is nothing they will not destroy in Hoboken to regain their hands on power, and our tax money.
They showed they are willing to hurt Hoboken by closing the hospital, forcing layoffs of City workers, trying to raise taxes, killing the surplus, refusing to fund direly needed equipment and infrastructure.... it goes on and on.
This is the difference and so I'd merely ask not to confuse the two.
ccj
12:29 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
If you want to understand why the good people of Hoboken (whether they be born here or transplants) would vote for proven crooks like Russo and Castellano, simply look at what goes on in Harlem every two years with Charlie Rangel. Mr. Rangel gets admonished by Congress, gets thrown off the Ways and Means Committee (though he's its chairman) comes within a hair of doing real time for tax evasion and related charges and he still wins in a landslide. Why? Because although he's a total crook and a known crook, the people of Harlem feel.."he's their crook". The amazing thing is people think he stays because he's doing such a great job for his constituents, but in fact the constituents suffer over and over so Rangel can himself benefit. Whether it be by gaining a couple of Rent Stablized apartments for himself (meaning other families in need don't get them) or handing taxpayer financed jobs out to big contributors (even though they have little need for the $50k or so as they are well off from their other businesses, but simply cannot resist another freebie) when it could mean the difference between a constituent actually being able to feed his or her family. My point is people like Rangel and Russo like to think that they remain in office even after things like FBI tapes come out because their voters think they are doing their bidding when in fact the constituents are worse off with these guys in office but simply don't understand it. It's a real shame.
Hoboken1653
1:14 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Perfect summary! "Oh Mikey puts on a little Halloween show, so lets not mind that he stole an apartment that a poor family could really use. Oh Mikey was just bragging when he accepted that bribe, but remember that beautiful pointsetta he sent me?"
He's a con man, raised by con artists.
Journey
2:04 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
I feel sorry for a woman in the 3rd ward. She lives above the Russo Civic Association, which the Russos sold. Now she is trying to get on the waiting lists for Church Towers.
I believe she qualifies for Church Towers, but because of the people that jumped the line, or stayed once they made more money, there is no room for her.
Russo greed screwed more than once.
John Keim
2:40 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
It is good Mr Bond patronizes the museum gift shop however he is slightly wrong here - I moved to Hoboken in 1984. The dynamic was BandR, artists/village types, exiles from Park Slope etc. Badk then, the demographic moving here would more likely have lived on the upper east side. For all his sourcing he is missing some obvious details: Dawn is mayor because Peter Cammerano screwed up. Since becoming mayor, she has been divisive in many ways - note her board appointments and lack of re-appointments. To Anthony Russo and Dave Roberts' credit, many of their appointments to municipal boards came from their adversaries. They understood that one could be intelligent, talented and care about our community without necessarily agreeing with them. Dawn has not figured this out yet and it shows in her appointments and also in her lack of results. She will not work with her opposition and because of that she is not getting as much done as she would like or her supporters would claim. I would also not look to several of Greg's blog sources for historical accuracy - they have an outfront bias and were not living here even ten years ago.
Redrider765
2:56 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Find someone honest to represent you and I am sure Zimmer and that person will work perfectly well together. But no way in hell she is going to be able to work w/ liars, cheats and thieves who's one and only goal in life is to undercut her. BTW - how is the whole layoff mess working out for you folks? Bet people are really annoyed at the Beth Russo layoffs and are screaming at you folks to pass that bonding already.
Hoboken1653
3:37 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
"I would also not look to several of Greg's blog sources for historical accuracy - they have an outfront bias and were not living here even ten years ago."
Please enlighten us about which sites you refer to. Did Anthony Russo not get arrested for scamming Hoboken for 100's of thousands of dollars? Did Mama 5 bucks a Tow not have a kickback scam? Did Mike Russo not get caught on FBI tapes taking a bribe? Not sure where someone lived 10 years ago has to do with that. Are you saying those things never happened???
hobokenhorse.com
4:28 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Lack of results like the Hospital Authority Board for example? That by tomorrow will be responsible for both saving the hospital and removing the $52 million bond from Hoboken taxpayers.
Oh yeah, that is divisive if you are fanatical backer of Beth Mason who has been trying to sabotage the sale and close the hospital.
You have to love the last bit by the person's who's very address was used to route over $30,000 to Tim Occhipinti - a true "Friends of Beth Mason" who has decided some arbitrary line should exist: over and under ten years in Hoboken.
Comical in its sheer stupidity. Last I look a resident registers and has the same rights as anyone in any election, end of story. It's called the US of A.
rtrux
4:40 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
dear john keim...i'm not sure what planet you are living on, but it sure as hell ain't hoboken. i moved here in 1982 and this city is MUCH (MUCH MUCH) better off and better run now than ever before. did you prefer it back when our mayors went to jail every few years?
John Keim
8:33 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
trux, I moved here in 1984 - all of Hudson County had problems and probably still does - I would take issue with Hoboken being better governed - last year's snow removal or lack thereof spoke volumes to the efficiency of the current administration. As far as transparency goes, the hospital sale is as bad as any we have had in Hudson County and we have still not seen the bottom of this debacle. The schools are actually worse than they were five years ago (B.C. in the parlance of our last superintendent who really took the cake. Cappiello and Grogan never went to jail and they ran real machines. Anthony Russo started as a "reformer". Dawn's political behavior is all about power, not governing. She needs to change up fast if she wants a shot at re-election.
Redrider765
8:36 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Hoboken won't be well governed after the massive layoffs caused by your boss.
Grafix Avenger
3:01 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Excellent piece, Greg.
One would think that the influx of affluent members- stakeholders in the success of our community- would care enough to want a voice in the direction of our City, or at minimum, in the direction of their tax dollars. So why the disconnect? How do we get these people to care enough to VOTE?
Redrider765
3:04 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Point out how much the lying, cheating and stealing is costing them and impacting the quality of life of this city. Perfect example would be the impact Mason's scheming would have on their tax bill had she succeeded in killing the hospital. Also point out how many people are going to get laid off to pay for the bonding Mason killed. Or point out how affordable housing policies have been completely abused in town. That sort of stuff gets people annoyed and that annoyance gets people motivated to pay attention and vote.
John Keim
3:28 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
You guys love bonding, pardon any pun...In the book, "The Soprano State", the authors mention that tolls paid off the New Jersey Turnpike in 1964 - the reason we still have tolls is to constantly re-bond. Every bond makes someone money - crony capitalism is alive and well and highly endorsed by this administration.
Redrider765
3:41 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
That the new excuse for Mason and company when explaining to city workers why so many of them will lose their jobs? Yeah, good luck w/ that one.
InfotainMe
3:42 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
You guys love buying elections. If we're gonna play that game...
Khoboken
3:51 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Nice to hear the VIllage Idiot's view of municipal finance. W will pass.
Grafix Avenger
3:51 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Jeez, you folks are peddling that line hard-core.
How do you suppose municipalities function? Hoboken isn't even CLOSE to it's debt limit. So are they supposed to fund operations 100% with cash? Do you? What about things called 'mortgages'? Or do you believe folks ought to pay for their homes in cash?
This 'no new bonding' mantra is one of the more laughable to be trotted out by Russo-Castellano-Mason gang. One simply has to do a little research to find all the bond ordinances approved in the past by those who want to run the city on cash today.
And the research will be done, and they'll look foolish. What else is new. Another waste of everyone's time.
Now, when the City's $31 million in short-term debt comes due soon, what's your proposal for paying that off? (Rhetorical... not in the habit of debating operatives).
InfotainMe
5:43 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Well, we did get rid of that one bond. I think it was $52 or maybe $152. I know it had a 52 in it somewhere.
getitstraitfr
9:20 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
John Keim, also known as the husband of Ines Garcia Keim - you both are still reeling from the fact that you put in countless hours of your time supporting a big fat loser. Both looking for appointments and when Dawn Zimmer gets elected your dreams of grandeur came to a halt. DZ would never hire the likes of you idiots because your simply no good Pieces OS. You have no power and NEVER will. You tied your apron strings to the witch of hudson street instead of the good witch. You displayed poor judgement countless times, and because of this you have such a bad reputation.
hobokenhorse.com
4:30 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
They are against using available bonding with Hoboken using barely 1% capacity.
They are however for looting and getting taxpayer paid benefits and cash any way they can, illegally just as good.
MadisonMonroe
6:37 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
So please enlighten us, Mr. Bond. Why isn't Mayor Zimmer supporting one of her most steadfast "yuppie" supporters, Kurt Gardiner, over ultimate bnr "Stick" Romano for (re)election as freeholder? Wasn't Stick on the board of education when many of these shenanigans you refer to were at their peak?
InfotainMe
8:23 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Oh, that's because of a different myth. The one that says we all have to be in lockstep.
getitstraitfr
9:28 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
This article is right on. It may not be entirely accurate, I am not a H historian but the points get across.
It is time the tax payers grind the corrupt blood suckers into powder.
morey amsterdam
10:45 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
You know something, getitstraitfr? You have a real problem. Listen to yourself..."grind the corrupt blood suckers into powder." Do you realize that is exactly the same language that Cammarano used to describe what he was going to do to his opponents? Upthread you said, "Your additionally guilty of sucking the blood of children." You are as bad as anyone who ever walked out of the Russo Civic Assn storefront. Or that Calicchio beast who plays for "other" side. I'm sorry but there as many crazy, violent, angry jerks on the Zimmer side of the fence as on any Capiello/Russo/Roberts side. if you can't express yourself intelligently do your "side" a favor: shut up. As a Zimmer supporter who is capable of disagreeing/finding fault with the administration you do the Mayor no favors. Zimmer cultists, rein your members in.
Passkey
10:59 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
-Gandhi
getitstraitfr
6:21 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
No shit Morey - Duh. Go such an egg. This is a comment section you fool. Anyone is entitled to make a comment. Your an idiot and if you want to play your polly anna role feel free. I want to throw the words of Cammarano out I will. I support the Mayor and not everyone she does support. I am certain that there be even times that I will find fault with the Mayor. But I do know this, she is working for the best interest of the city. This has never been the case, and it is time we take back our town. Unlike "ur" people, we believe in freedom of speech and don't "rein" our members in using violence or threats. FU d-bag.
Julie Steinberg
9:39 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Nice piece Greg. It was well written and perfectly articulates the problem at hand. Now on to the solutions :)
Redrider765
9:44 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Well hopefully the FBI will give us a short term break from a few of the criminals in town.
getitstraitfr
6:21 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
No shit Morey - Duh. Go such an egg. This is a comment section you fool. Anyone is entitled to make a comment. Your an idiot and if you want to play your polly anna role feel free. I want to throw the words of Cammarano out I will. I support the Mayor and not everyone she does support. I am certain that there be even times that I will find fault with the Mayor. But I do know this, she is working for the best interest of the city. This has never been the case, and it is time we take back our town. Unlike "ur" people, we believe in freedom of speech and don't "rein" our members in using violence or threats. FU d-bag.
MadisonMonroe
10:49 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
If Kurt Gardiner is the "reformer" then why won't the Mayor support him? The Hoboken Reporter story lists a number of Stick's so-called accomplishments. Does the Mayor really feel that her staunch supporter Mr. Gardiner wouldn't also fill in the sink hole on Sinatra Drive or push the county to supply some plowing in a blizzard when she blows it?
I'm assuming that Stick went to Stan and said "if you don't trash me I won't trash your wife" and Stan agreed. A deal has been struck between the "yuppie" and the "bnr" to get ahead politically, which is how Dawn got ahead in the first place by linking up with Pupie Raia. But wouldn't a true reformer with the Governor on speed dial have pushed her advantage and tried to oust Stick, a product of the old Dem machine if ever there was one.
Of course, it's that same kind of cozying up to the "enemy" that has most of the folks on this site up in arms when Beth Mason tries it.
Hobbs
11:18 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Kurt Gardnier I am sure understands he is a long shot going up against an incumbent who has been hand picked by the Hudson County bosses and was expected to run unopposed. Knowing all that he stepped up to run for Freeholder and to ask the questions no on else was willing to get in the race to ask.
Mr. Romano and his handlers ducking a debate with Mr. Gardiner is understandable on a purely political level as he would be asked questions they rather not have to answer on the record.
I think when you assume your make an ass out of yourself and requrgitating the usual Mason/Russo hate speech confirms my view.
I also see voting for Kurt Gardnier sends a clear message to Anyhony "Stick" Ramano and his political bosses that Hoboken should not be taken for granted or short changed.
Have a nice night.
Vote Kurt Gardnier For Freeholder Col. C
Hoboken Questioner
10:54 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Dont you get it?
Hoboken Questioner
10:56 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Gardiner was merely a tool that Dawn used. She and her viscious organization needed his nasty web site to attack and smear people. But something happened...I'm not sure what....Gardiner closed shop on that web site...and subsequently Dawn does not back him anymore...hmmm...
InfotainMe
6:57 am on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
I have never seen anyone project quite as painstakingly as you do. All one has to do is substitute Mason for Zimmer, 411 for HobokenJournal, and you for Gardiner and voila... You have a perfect description of YOUR trajectory from the halcyon days of writing hit pieces to match Klaussen's adolescent photoshops on 411 to this moment where you are little more than a Barracato with better grammar.
As for Kurt, he has www.thebokenonline.com which was generating more traffic than HJ. Since he has a career outside of blogging, he had to make a choice. That would be easier for you to understand if you had a career outside of blogging.
Not to worry though, your old stomping grounds at 411 are still getting plenty of rambling, coors-addled posts from Whiskey. I love the threads where he is the only one who will engage you in what we'll charitably call dialog. Maybe K5 can join the site and the 3 of you can chat it up.
Grafix Avenger
7:33 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
You and your moronic narratives. You won't wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and smacked you in the head. The only worthwhile information that comes out of your mouth is the stuff you read off a script at 1010WINS.
How about doing a some holiday shopping at the Recall Mason Gift Shop?
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2011/10/recall-beth-mason-gift-shop.html
Hoboken Questioner
10:57 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Personally (and at the risk of sounding like one of these howling Zimmerites) I would like to see a debate even if just for the entertainment value. The race is a joke anyway.
MadisonMonroe
11:18 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Oh, I get it, alright, Questioner. It's about politics, not principles.The Mayor knows Stick is here to stay so she throws her buddy under the bus without as much as a "Kid, this ain't your night. We're going for the price on Wilson." Gardiner has got the 2011 version of the one way ticket to Palookaville.
morey amsterdam
12:11 am on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Re: Romano for Freeholder. Isn't it against the law for a police officer to own a bar?
InfotainMe
7:14 am on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Against the what?
getitstraitfr
6:24 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Why would that be against the law fool?
Reformerus_Gianticus
4:51 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Infotainme is correct. TheBokenOnline was simply getting more traffic and it was also the direction I thought I wanted to go in terms of community events, etc. I was blogging well before Zimmer ran for Mayor and was intially supportive of Beth Mason until she changed track. Unlike another pro-Mason website I did not take money from politicians to write my views or ban users for just having a difference of opinion.
I am a full time project manager and something had to give.
Reformerus_Gianticus
4:55 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Madison Monroe- One difference between Stick and myself on this he aksed (begged) the Mayor for an endorsement and I did not. I pre-emptively tols her not to waste political capital on a long shot which I admit that I am. At least voters will haev a choice this election day and until I threw my hat in the ring they did not. You like Communist Russia? I sure don't. How is Jersey City?
Reformerus_Gianticus
4:56 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Madison Monroe- One difference between Stick and myself on this he aksed (begged) the Mayor for an endorsement and I did not. I pre-emptively told her not to waste political capital on a long shot which I admit that I am. At least voters will have a choice this election day and until I threw my hat in the ring they did not. You like Communist Russia? I sure don't. How is Jersey City?
HOBO87
5:21 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
'BnR' v 'yuppie is also a lot about class, and ethnicity. For example I moved to Hoboken in 1987 but will never be a 'BnR', whereas lots of non-Hoboken born Italians from elsewhere in Hudson Cty or even further elsewhere, who lived here awhile, are accepted as virtual 'BnR's'. The Old Guard runs total non-BnR yuppie Italians for City Council for the same reason. Long ago Hoboken 'belonged' to 'my people', the Irish (including some relatives of mine but not my immediate family), along with the Germans. A lot of the 'BnR' thing is Italian resentment the town doesn't 'belong' to them anymore. My impression has always been that the non-white 'BnR' population doesn't much GAS about the 'BnR' v yuppie thing. Their votes in elections are a major pillar of support to the political Old Guard, but that's more of a commercial transaction in most cases I think.
And needless to say, the political Old Guard now contains many non BnR opportunists.
prosbus
7:54 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Hudson City? Yeah-- you've been around since 1987. Tell it to someone else you blowhard. Is Jennifer Giattino accepted as a BnR? She's a non-Hoboken born Italian. Want to pontificate a little more about that?
HOBO87
12:39 pm on Saturday, October 29, 2011
If you look closely you'll see I wrote 'Hudson Cty', Cty short for 'county'. You might want to get some reading glasses. There are exceptions to every rule, Dave Mello I assume has some Italian ancestry as well. But yes I have lived here going on 25 years, and yes 'old' v 'new' is a lot about Italians v. non-Italians. If you ignore that elephant in the room, you can't understand the conflict. Maybe to newer newcomers it's not as obvious, because the lines have blurred somewhat, but far from entirely.
And, some clueless morons start spewing insults like blowhard and pontificate whenever race or ethnicity comes up as explanation for anything, because they think that makes them so righteous. But it often is part of the explanation in reality, and certainly is here.
Hobbs
5:23 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Thanks for giving voters a choice Mr. Gardiner.
Hope Stick's handlers let him debate you.
hobokenhorse.com
6:32 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
BREAKING: Mayor calls Sunday 9:00 meeting on Hospital
http://hobokenhorse.com
Hobbs
7:39 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
I wonder if Mason, Russo, Castellano will boycott this special meeting like the did the last one.
When Councilwoman Beth Mason claimed she "never heard that before: City Council President chided her that she would have if she showed up to meetings.
But hey, Mrs. Mason never lets facts get in the way of her trying to sabotage Hoboken and it's finances.
Grafix Avenger
8:21 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
I'd like to see all the hospital employees who'll get thrown out of work by MORT sabotaging the hospital sale PICKET...
Redrider765
8:26 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
If the union doesn't swarm that meeting and stand up for themselves, then nobody else is going to bother doing it for them.
Redrider765
8:27 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
BTW - the head of the union did a ton of picketing in front of the homes of Englewood hospital board members when they hit a snag in their negotiations w/ that hospital. I suggest the union start picketing in front of Mason's house ASAP. Then move on to the other 3 idiots. Those 4 are the only people standing in the way of selling that hospital.
Grafix Avenger
8:39 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
You read my mind.
Hoboken rules
9:43 am on Monday, February 25, 2013
k who cares really yuppies ar yuppies just stay away fro hoboken people we are not white we are hoboken knights.