That's why I think he might not actually know anything about the email conspiracy. Too much trouble to explain it to him.

Shaddap Shortbus. Why don't you think about your family for once and work on your plea bargain.

Forgetting all of the issues with the hospital etc, for a moment,...lets take your example and say you are correct. What is your solution?

A little dose of reality prosbus:

Conspiring with a city employee to steal and disseminate emails is a federal crime and the individuals who did it are in serious trouble.

The attempt by the Council Minority to violate its fiduciary duty and cause he Hospital to fail and to throw Hoboken into economic chaos failed miserably, as did the pathetic attempt at damage control which did nothing but highlight their wrongdoing

The failure of the Council Minority to do their fiduciary duty to make necessary line item transfers will cause firefighters not to be paid on time during the holiday season, a fact not likely to be changed by quoting lines out of context from a letter that explicitly states that the problem has been caused by the Council Minority's intentional refusal to do their duty.

Good luck with reality Prosbus - I'm sure your imaginary life is more fun than the real one these days.

Hello Prosbus. You are a poor delusional soul indeed!! I guess you missed the portion of the DCA's letter instructing the Council to call a special meeting to do its fiduciary duty and pass the transfers. Unfortunately for Mason/Russo, I suspect that those who will suffer real harm as a result of the game playing will have read the whole letter.

When the bankruptcy attorney thief was brought in to save Hoboken $100 million we didn't think he could actually do it. I mean he doesn't charge $900 an hour like in my house so how good can he be?

Mark Tabakin told us in City Council the bill would be very high for the labor intensive work but why should we pay it? He saved Hoboken nearly $100 million dollars and kept the hospital sale going until completed?

I didn't authorize him to do that!

It seems that you (and/or your council minority) are completely out of touch with resident's perpectives of your actions.
Residents are the people who will suffer the consequences of tax increases, you wish to impose. They will ask why the transfer wasn't made.
Your quote of "There should be no expectation of the council minority coming to the administration's rescue. " not only will not suffice, it will infuriate most, given the fact that the general population doesn't give a rat's patootie about politics.

Don't know who is advising you guys but Good luck trying to pull that excuse off.

Why don't you start worrying about your own fiduciary responsibilities and get a job shortbus.

Hats off to you for knowing that you are the proverbial turd in a punchbowl.

HQ, I mean prosbus stop calling attention to this! Otherwise someone is going to pull up the video and make a tape of this which was all discussed in advance.

This attorney had no business saving the hospital. I never authorized and he messed up my efforts since January. He has some nerve. Of course we don't want to pay that bill now.

First off there is not $1 in extra spending. It is known as a transfer. Second the head DLGS twice called out your minority buddies to do their fiduciary responsibilities and pass the transfers. If we held to the do not exceed limit, Hoboken taxpayers would have seen a 50% rise in taxes ($25 million). I visited my mom over the holiday (Somerset County, they like almost every other municipality in NJ had a transfer resolution. It passed unanimously in less than 10 minutes. Typical everywhere except with the minority of Hoboken.

Jesus you are stupid Prosbus. If you read the complete letter you would notice that the state is claiming the CC is the ones violating the law by not transferring the funds. Thanks for posting a link that contradicts your argument though. Saves me from having to track it down myself.

Well, look who got off his leash... Prosbus the Extortionist. How'd that 'negotiation' for the 10 new HFD hires work out for you?

Remember, those VOTES you assured would be forthcoming from the Council minority if the others (the non-crazies) consented to your 'terms'. Did Mike Russo try to sew your mouth shut? Or pour glue on your keyboard?

You see, prosbus, such 'deals' are discussed between elected officials behind closed doors, not on internet message boards by hack operatives. Remember, you said this:

The remaining council members (Mason, Occupinti, Castellano, and Russo) would strongly consider voting YES for the line item transfer for the fire department ($800,000???) if it included a provision/rider/amendment guaranteeing 10 new hires for the fire department with a preference for current Hoboken residents and veterans. I'm sure no one would have a protest with that proposal.

Well, how did the Council minority show their appreciation for that? Are you posting from an ice cave in Siberia?

I still think it is a good idea and I would not rule it out as a possibility. It is not extortion by any stretch of the imagination.

And you would have preferred we not pay the lawyer and end up blowing through $80-100mm b/c the hospital sale blew up? For every dollar the man charged us in legal bills, he saved us $100 bucks. Stop your bellyaching. We got a great deal, time to pay the man. It was money well spent.

Thank you Perry. We need to let people know that just because line item transfwers are done routinely by every municipality in the state, that doesn't mean they are routine. Many a drunken sailor has gotten drunk simply by pouring their drink from one glass to another, without ever ordering another drink. Sure, you only pay for one drink but anybody with a brain can clearly see that its the number of glasses that matter - after all they will all need to be washed at the end of the day.

Do you understand now Scott? Receive our wisdom and repent. Our leader has forgiven the minion of many names for having caused the postponement of her queendom by joining my cause with the forces of the noble Russos. Surely she will forgive you as well.

Are you just realizing that the surplus was set aside to pay for incoming debts? Really?

Gee Scott, I guess he wasn't listening.

No need for an increase if the line item is tranferred- but you guys go ahead and be the fall guys for this. You need a new advisor.

If you bothered to look at the docket to see how high the bills were for this case, you would absolutely believe they racked up hours that fast. Maybe if you people stopped fucking around and obstructing the hospital sale process, we wouldn't have had to spend so much money paying the lawyers.

Does it make sense to you that four elected officials would attempt to sabotage the sale of a bankrupt hospital exposing their city to $100 million in potential liability and costing over 1000 people their jobs?

Does it make sense that those people, instead of slinking back under their rock, instead try to make an issue of the fact that the City's interests were properly protected through the efforts of their lawyers instead of irreparably damaged through the efforts of themselves?

Shouldn't it be questioned and the individuals involved asked to fully explain their behavior as they apologize for violating their oaths of office and resign their positions?

Perry it was clear to everyone the cost would be very large and said so up front. Besides doesn't MORTe have their own bankruptcy specialist who costs even more than the fine work of this gentleman who saved Hoboken upwards near three figures in the hundred million range and with it a hospital?

Ask Ricky to explain to you.

There is no precedent in Hoboken for saving the city from bankruptcy with a hospital costing taxpayers $70 million or more with its closure.

But hey, take another crack at it. This is a real pleasure leading into a much larger one soon.

That my good man, you can take to the bank.

Oh Perry,

You are so protective of your charge. Much like your other dear friend an political candidate Peter Cammarano .

One must always filter your political spin with the knowledge of your consistant truly bad choices of those you hang out with,

I will leave you to your usual mud slinging and disinformation.

Have dinner plans, so .play nice and don't drink and drive.

Sorry Horse, it seems that only educated professionals understood the large legal expenses the city would be incurring. Uneducated rubes had no clue though if they had bothered to educate themselves before spouting off at the mouth, they'd have figured it out for themselves too.

C'mon Perry you are being silly saying there was a "profit of 3M" at the hospital. There was no such thing and you know it as we've had this discussion several times already. There was an annual plan to that aim but it was never achieved.

Yes, Mayor Zimmer did in some sense control the hospital and its liability. She appointed the Hoboken Woman of the Decade - Toni Tomarazzo to head the hospital authority and lead it (and Hoboken) from the wilderness of $20 million dollar losses in a single year.

My citation of numbers is never opinion and should never be construed as such (in advance).

$900,000 in fire OT? Hmmn what was the Chief doing on that?

Hey get in that tawdry laundry list in while you can. That twisted noise is going to be overtaken by far more grave matters for some who are following Peter Cammarano's footsteps.

Hope to see you around then.

Best,
Da Horsey, SmartyJones
Mile Square View
http://hobokenhorse.com

You can always tell when Tim Occhipinti is in trouble Peter "Perry" Belfiore starts slinging mud and disinformation like a mad man to cover for his new boy.

While Peter Cammerano may be a cold caluclating bribe taking convicted criminal who was setting the stage to be even a bigger criminal on the scale of Anthony Russo until the FBI stepped in. It is always good to understand that he did not get into a position to be a crook without the help of others and in that top ten list was Peter "Perry" Belfiore.

Remember Peter Cammarano bosted on his now infamous FBI tape he was going to take care of his friends.

Explain the $18 million figure already!

First of all...greenhaven can you please stop trying to pretend that you are not InfotainmeRedrider's 2nd screen name? Second...Scott...please ditch the photograph....maybe get Dawn to take a photo of you..I hear she is good at that sort of thing. And yes...you guys sold the hospital....great! but should we applaud or pray?

HQ, projecting much??? The clown prince of screennames?

HQ - you are an idiot. Greenhaven and I have been completely disagreeing all week on the food truck ordinance. But thanks for again proving you are a complete moron.

I agree with that one man.

Of course you agree, you just agreed with yourself propuss.

The bottom line is that cost add ons are supposed to go in front of the CC for PRIOR approval. But that does not happen because we have a Mayor that wants to pick fights with people. She's gone in 2013.

Perry it matters little to me what you claim the Hoboken Reporter said. Lacking even a quote or citation makes your comment on the hospital meaningless. The losses were stemmed and never stopped and the reality of that is clear since 2007. It's a new day for both the hospital and Hoboken. Instead of tossing misstated figures reflect on that.

I was at the board meetings, sometimes as the only member of the public (with no one from the media or the Hudson Reporter either) and always asked for the financials. So please, something more productive.

I'll let Eric Kurta school you on this whopper if you insist.

The firefighter OT looks like an inside job. Let's get to the bottom of it in due course. The bill is due and it's not the only one that needs to get paid.

Agreed on the Finance Committee, a superb job and if now in City Hall, all the better.

As for you being around, I'm counting on it. I would never want you to miss The Show.

Didn't we go through this already? Jesus Effing Christ. I spent a good bit of time responding to this last month, and here we are, having to do it again. Belfiore doesn't give a sh*t about facts, but for the benefit of everyone else:

(cont'd)

1:53pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

I’d like to respond to some comments made by Perry B. in a post dated 10/17, 3:03pm.

PB: “In March 2010, the Zimmer Administration took control. At that point the Hoboken Reported stated HUMC to break even or have a $3M surplus… The Board was packed with Zimmer supporters and accordingly the health of Hospital deterirated.”

EK: The 2010 BUDGET projected a $3.6M operating surplus BEFORE depreciation and amortization, and that included a $7M stabilization grant from the state, which must always be considered a non-recurring revenue and is not guaranteed (we received $6M). The year-end, unaudited financial statement for 2010 showed operating income of $4.2M, before interest expenses, depreciation, and amortization (EBITDA). The total loss for the year is expected to be about $1.5M.

1:54pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

A little financial history (FACT ALERT):

In December 2007, the hospital proudly proclaimed a $35M turnaround, resulting in a $10M surplus for the year. In actuality, the operating income showed a loss of $4M for the year. The Authority recorded $39M in non-operating income which included a “contribution of assets” – land, building, and equipment – totaling $32.5M. In essence, the turnaround was nothing more than a recording of the “gift” of the hospital from Bon Secours as income.
2008 showed a $17.9M loss EBITDA and a total loss of $22M.
2009 showed a $8.9M loss EBITDA and a total loss of $16M.
2010 audited numbers are not finalized, but a total loss of about $1.5M is expected
As of August 2011, the hospital showed a $4.4M loss EBITDA and a total loss of $6.4M. Uncertainty about the sale caused the hospital’s census (patients in beds) to drop, negatively affecting revenue.

And I'll simplify.

Let's say it's the end of December and I want to see how I did financially for the year 2011.

Let's say I don't take into account the mortgage interest I paid.
Let's say I don't take into account a substantial balloon payment that will have to be made some years down the road that I should be allocating funds for.
Let's say my dad was particularly generous this year and gave me a couple thousand for my birthday, though there's no saying that he'll do the same next year.

If I look at it that way, I had a bang-up year. That's the $3M number. Add the interest et al and that's the negative $1.5M. Assume that dad hadn't been so generous, and the loss increases to $8M or so.

I can't make it any simpler. Now knock it off. Next: the Mason-saved-the-hospital myth. Staggering.

The Conquistadors analogy is also in poor taste Perry.

Anyway, your boy Tim is showing bad form and worse at each and every meeting.
Teach him some manners will ya? Or is it too late?

If he refuses to learn the basics of municipal finance fine, but can he stop interrupting everyone on the dais? He's picked up some very bad Russo habits.

People who refuse to learn about municipal finance should be quiet on the subject. Please ask Tim to muzzle it already.

Before, arguments between immigrant groups were fought in the street in a very real and physical manner. Today, the battles are fought before judges in courts of law and in cyber space. But, the same hate between the groups exist...just the tactics have changed.

Yeah Lame, those nasty BNRs like Mason, Occhipinti, Cammarano & the like just disgust us new residents. When are you going to get it through your skull that it is the lack of integrity these people exhibit that we dislike and nobody cares at all about where they were born?

Maybe your hatred for "lack of integrity" of the BNR's is similar to their hatred of you and yours for your self righteousness. I readily admit that you "reformers" have more hatred in your heart, are meaner, and more ruthless than any BNR'er I know. Thankfully, those are not attributes which most people embrace. Capice?

Whatever Lame, go do your traffic report now.

I'm not sure what phrase in Italian the Persian prosbus is trying to express. Sadly, that is not the spelling of the word.

You ain't no defender of Old Hoboken and you ain't Italian either Lame.
Now go hug it out with Michele and the other Old Guard crooks.

Actually it is the correct spelling of the word horsey -- I don't really care whether you know what it means or not. But you like using Italian, right? You refer to the council minority with the Italian word for death but you don't really think that is an ethnic insult do you? You don't know the Italian that's used in the street or that these people grew up with....and you don't care. You don't know a lot of things-- but you are too arrogant to give a shit. I'll take any BNR over your kind-- any day of the week. Capice?

No prosbus the correct spelling is capisce. You are spelling the mob version or the slang. Do you believe yourself a mobster? Hugging it out with Michele doesn't get you made. In fact, the clan doesn't even like you.

You don't speak for any people in Hoboken other than Beth Mason who pays you for things other than friendship.

I'll use my MORTe acronym as I well please and don't need any lessons from a Brezhnev eyebrowed Persian from Poughkeepsie about being Italian.

Besides, you have bigger more Federal type problems to attend to or don't you know?

Really? The Germans thought the Irish were dandy? The Irish welcomed the itaiians? The Italians sent gift baskets to the hispanics? There were no fights? Fathers were happy when their daughters dated the new social group?

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Rose colored glasses are nice just don't let them ever slip.

What vibe are you sending when you ignore that the BNR employee was fired specifically because he assaulted his boss in city hall in front of witnesses after the boss found the vehicle he was driving abandoned w/ the keys in the ignition and the engine running and drove it back to the muni garage? Get a clue. The guy deserved to be fired. Stop defending the inexcusable conduct of this former city worker.

You USED those in the Hoboken Housing Authority there is a big difference.
You did it for Cammerano, you did for Occhipinti.

Your work with the first family of corruption in Hoboken the Russo's is a good example of the trough feeders you favor. As far as i know the only family in Hoboken that father, mother and son have been the subject of FBI investigations.

Amazing how that thin veneer of civillity you hide behind falls away and your true hate filled political op shows through.

But hey your job is to make excuses, spread hate and disinformation,

I don't believe that all people born and raised here are corrupt, just many that are already politically active.

The corruption of that small group of connected and active individuals probally discourages the honest born and raised that are sick of the corruption from trying to run.

The honest born and raised that would stand against corruption are truly the most disenfranchised.

The honest BNRs aren't at all disenfranchised b/c nobody on the reform side gives a hoot where they were born. They need to stand up for themselves and make themselves heard. Things would be a whole lot better if they did.

One last time Perry - please explain what you meant by your South Africa" and "Inscas and Pizzaro" reference. Post lots of feel good stuff about the 60's is all fine and dandy but all it demonstrates is your inability to explain your own words, coupled with your lack of the courage necessary to take ownership of your own opinions.

Be a man for once, stop dissembling and show the courage of your convictions instead of sniveling around like a coward pretending you are seeking a kumbaya moment. You said what you said, you meant what you meant and you are what you are. If you're ashamed of it then publicly acknowledge your mistake and try to change but please stop sniveling - its getting kind of pathetic.

Bullshit. If they would walk through fire to vote against Dawn, you wouldn't need so many $40 checks to get them to vote.

Perry, I read the police report. Nothing at all libelous about my statements and the man clearly abandoned that bus w/ the keys in the ignition. For that alone he deserves to be fired. Toss in his conduct at city hall, he deserves to be fired again. If he could be fired twice, I'd fire him twice. And if he sues, the city should counter sue for its legal expenses in this frivolous suit.

The city has been losing a lot of lawsuits I hear....maybe it's not so easy just to fire people. But, it is easy to talk tough online.

Hi Perry. I do want to state up front that I appreciate a lot of the insight that you bring to the table, whether or not i agree with it all. I'm glad you brought up HHA. A few days ago you had posted that HHA was wondering what happened to the check they gave the city for church square park, and you alluded to the fact that the city might have spent it the 60k on something else. Being friendly with a few people from HHA, I thought I would ask them directly about their concerns. I was quite surprised to hear how surprised they were, when hearing of your post. They further set the record straight by stating they NEVER gave the check to the city. were you misinformed? It's 12:24, so please don't use the "pizza night" excuse right now, I'm just trying to understand your posts. Thanks.

Poor try at deeflection on your part.Perry

Walk through fire? Really ? Why did it take $40 a pop to get hundreds of them to be election day workers for your Plan B boy Occhipinti ?

I know you will keep spewing your hate and disinformation as that is just what you do .

friendlty fire, you need to put more effort into getting a clue. The HHA is the Hoboken Housing Authority, where a lot of people whom you don't know happen to live. It is located in the western part of town and most people who make their homes there do not have the financial means to write a check to the city for any kind of park, as much as they would like to do it.

In your fruitless effort to be clever, you have confused the fundraising efforts of the HFA, the Hoboken Family Alliance whose check (we hope) is sitting in some bank account earning interest for the City of Hoboken while the playground equipment it was intended for at Church Square Park continues to rot, with no plan in sight. I say "we hope," because while that situation is frustrating, it is better than the alternative of the money disappearing into the black hole of overspent legal and consulting contracts for the city.

Patch covered the event where the HFA presented the check to the city on May 14:
http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hfa-hosts-gala-gives-city-check-for-park

This is the problem with blogs that are heavy on comments. The opinion of an ignorant fool looks the same as any other.

Enough, actually it is you who need to get a clue. A contract was awarded on 10/5/11 for a company to come in and do some of that playground work that the city wants to do city wide this winter. So please, go do some research and stop looking like an ignorant fool. The city is taking some steps to improve the parks just like they are to improve the roads. Things like this take time. You can't just expect everything to get done in the blink of an eye or all at once. Be happy 3 parks will be upgraded in the near future with more to come after that once those plans are finalized.

Red, thanks for pointing out that the city has awarded a contract. This reinforces my point that the city is really good at doing that. We'll see how long it takes for the actual work to be completed, at least on budget if not on time.

Yes, legal fees can really add up. This can pose a real problem to someone who spent many years out of work and suddenly has to fund a criminal defense in federal court. Cutting a deal as a cooperating witness is understandably a more compelling option for a hypothetical individual in such a hypothetical circumstance.

Why should I shut my pie hole about the rampant vote buying in the 4th ward? Why should I ignore the illegal activities the people you support constantly engage in? Ignoring this corruption only allows it to continue to exist. I want it to end and I want the people who engage in it to go to jail. Say hi to the blue suits for me and give them a big thanks for all their hard work.

How odd to claim there is no illegal voter activity since one year ago Tim Occhipinti submitted 500 paper ballots in an election where the winner usually needs about 800 or so votes to see a win.

The story was covered thoroughly by Mile Square View and then later both Hoboken Patch and the Hudson Reporter also covered it.

In addition to the follow up coverage at MSV, the Hudson Reporter did another story on the same problematic "anomalies" in the spring after the BoE election.

Every election, the same illegal voting activity has taken place in the same location utterly beyond mathematically improbable.

Blaming Redrider for mentioning it seems hysterical. It's all coming out with the NJ Attorney General's Office with their Hoboken file on Occhipinti's campaign and our friends from the FBI, the Boys of Summer visiting Hoboken for a while.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/157280737672739/

How we love them, yes we do.

What specifically do you claim is illegal? Increased voter turnout?

"What specifically do you claim is illegal? Increased voter turnout?"

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Poor guy is losing it. Metal detectors at City Hall, PLEASE!!!!

Baseless claims...thought so.

Yes, you are correct, the taxpayers fund many things that would be nice if they could be avoided. Federal investigations and prosecutions involving organized cybercrime, for example. Isn't that right, Mr. Pentagon Papers?

Pretty stupid to get your panties in a bunch over $700K in legal fees when the guy racked up those fees to save us from eating a $100mm bill from the hospital closing. The fees are well worth paying and that law firm saved us a fortune. Course not like you care about that b/c you really wanted that hospital to close so Zimmer could take the blame for the massive tax hike that would lead to.

No wonder bloomberg fired you. You are an idiot.

Avoiding the issue? Pot meet kettle. I've asked you how many times now about Mr. Bajardi's status vis a vis the FBI investigation and any legal fees he may be incurring and what this is all costing the U.S. taxpayer, which is all germaine to this discussion, and you keep ignoring the question, skirting the issue and changing the subject back to your ever-more-pathetic Zimmer rants. We get it. You don't like her. How's Newark?

Bob - I hope he costs the taxpayer a fortune in room & board expenses for a great many years.

You can always tell when Peter "Perry" Belfiore dosen't want to answer a question he tries to sling mud and disinformation to distract.

Has anyone asked Ms. Stoffel? As the party that gave the city the money, I would expect her to be the party complaining if something was done wrong with it.

So what does Project Play have to say? I'm hearing complaints from opponents of the administration, but not Project Play.

So now one of the founders of Project Play has been heard on this subject. The HFA still has the money. Hoboken never recieved the money.

Granted the city should have set up the trust so they could accept the money, but the money has not been wasted by the city.

I suppose the concept of putting money in the bank until it is time to spend it is a bit too complicated for you? Not a shocker at all there big guy.

Actually Mr. B., I haven't seen, spoken or in anyway had contact to Mayor Zimmer for close to a year other than to say hello when we saw each other on the street or at the City Council meeting.

While your increasingly desperate lame attempts at poltical conspiricy theories are repeatdly shot down you continue to repeat them.

I guess you just think that everyone has the same low level of honesty and ethics as as your proffessed longtime, dear friends the Russos or Peter Cammarano.

Considering I have seen a lot hate directed at "Stroller Moms", why is it important to use that a version of the phrase? Besides I think women behind Project Play have children old enough to be out of strollers.

Shouldn't you know the answer to that since you are the one alleging fraud? BTW, for a self-confessed gadfly who goes to CC meetings, you sure don't pay attention. How about you go review what happened at the meeting on 10/5/11 and then go eat some crow.

OMG Mr. B, are you suggesting that maybe Uncle George may have done something rash with the money ? Sombody contact the FBI we may have another one ! :-)

Or. perhaps the money you are so worried about will actually be added into the upgrade budget for Church Street Park like everyone always had planned.

There was a meeting scheduled, then canceled. The signs about the canceled meeting are still in the park, so maybe not all the i's have been dotted and t's crossed.

Why are you here complaining but not Project Play? Are you using them in your war against the administration?