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Absentee Ballots Could Change Outcome of School Board Race

Election day is over, but the results could still change. The Hudson County Board of Elections received 1,875 vote by mail ballots that have yet to be counted.

The polls have closed, but Hoboken's elections may not be over yet.

According to the Hudson County Board of Elections, 1,875 vote by mail ballots were received and are yet to be counted, according to the board clerk Michael Harper.

Due to Sandy, the ballot receipt deadline was moved to November 19, Harper said.

Because of that extention, Harper continued, "the board will not be releasing vote by mail tallies untill November 20th."

A total of 2,824 vote by mail ballots were requested from Hoboken. Some more may come in, according to Harper.

The three Kids First candidates received a majority of the votes on Tuesday, beating all three Move Forward candidates on the machines. 

"The vote by mails are scary," said Ruth McAllister, one of the Kids First candidates at their victory party at Court Street.

Harper said that by the end of the week, he should know more about the email votes by those who have been displaced. "Those tallies will probably be released along with those of the traditional vote by mails," Harper said.

The county also received a large amount of provisional votes, Harper said. The provisionals will be opened and tallied at an open public meeting. This will likely happen before Thanksgiving, he said.

The Kids First slate was made up of McAllister, Tom Kluepfel and Jean Marie Mitchell and backed by Mayor Dawn Zimmer. On Tuesday, Kluepfel earned a total of 3426 machine votes, Mitchell received 3223 votes and McAllister took 3498 votes.

The other slate in Tuesday's elections was Move Forward, made up of candidates Anthony Oland, Felice Vasquez and Liz Markevitch.

Oland received a total of 2512 votes, Markevitch got 2844 votes and Vazquez got 2488 votes. Independent Patricia Waiters got a total of 987 votes.

As far as the three public questions go, it seems that eliminating the run offs and moving the elections to November will not be overturned.

While rent control was upheld by a difference of roughly 500 votes, it's still unclear if the vote by mail ballots will have an effect on the outcome of Public Question no. 2.

Andy November 09, 2012 at 01:41 PM
Good luck getting them to do that.
Andy November 09, 2012 at 01:42 PM
CuriousGal seems to be following the Romney tactic of just making stuff up and expecting people to believe it.
I am Spartacus November 09, 2012 at 01:45 PM
And plan C is to keep pointing out how the cheaters cheat, make the rest of the voters aware of it and hope the pointing out of all this illegal behavior drives turnout of honest voters and gets the AG's attention.
I am Spartacus November 09, 2012 at 01:46 PM
No ballot from someone who was paid to vote is legitimate and I suspect quite a few of those were cast.
CuriousGal November 09, 2012 at 01:49 PM
Only in the online world at Patch is voting by mail a crime. No one in the light of day, with a real name and working within our court system would dare bring these accusations up formally. But feel free to continue the baseless claims, name calling, character assassinations, and pontificating while continuing to tear down what you can't control.
I am Spartacus November 09, 2012 at 01:57 PM
You should be happy you aren't a journalist b/c you aren't real good at the whole reading comprehension thing. Demosthenes expressly said he supports VBM. But like me, what he doesn't support is candidates writing checks to people to get their votes. But I guess since you support a person who is so universally hated that the only way she can do anything is by writing a ton of checks, you support the whole quid pro quo way of doing things that Mason has embraced.
bubbles November 09, 2012 at 02:15 PM
You yups think anyone cares about this alleged fraud? Even the Gov knows what goes on ova here and aint nothin happenin. You know how much he likes him some arrests. You got nada. "Today will produce no more voter fraud than any other election day in Hudson County"' , laughed Christy. Like I said, if we don't get arrested, it aint illegal and besides, we got us a whole new game- Yeah- you aint gonna see but a few paid eday workers on Moving Forward's report- we gonna put em elsewhere. We aint stupid- it's a Pres election. Got some guy Canoni somethin is takin the under/ova this time, too hot for the regulars. But we kinda screwed up-we put sewer dudes address on the damn report. Not that it matters, aint nobody lookin, anyhow. I tell ya it aint easy. Without Facts Alone and Gal, I got dull bulbs workin for me.
HobokenTownie November 09, 2012 at 02:48 PM
"The vote by mails are scary," said Ruth McAllister, one of the Kids First candidates at their victory party at Court Street. "We won the honest vote, the most important vote to me." This sounds like sour grapes...This is a democracy and these votes should be counted. SHAME ON YOU FOR MAKING SUCH A JUVENILE AND PETTY STATEMENT. I SUPPORTED YOU AND NOW WISH I HAD MY VOTE BACK!
davidd November 09, 2012 at 03:04 PM
I'll second that, journalists need to step up.
demosthenes November 09, 2012 at 03:36 PM
Actually Curious the accusations of potential criminal activity were validated by a criminal referral made by the Hudson County Board of Elections relating to the activities of Tim Occhipinti's City Council campaign. Only in the curious world inhabited by Mason/Raia operatives is voting by absentee ballot synonymous with being promised a payment of $40 and handing your ballot to a Mason/Raia political operative to ensure payment. But feel free to continue to post your curious opinions. Just curious. Was this one of those years when you think we had a November election or do you think this is one of those years when we don't hold one?
Hobbs November 09, 2012 at 03:57 PM
No one is saying that the votes shouldn't count only that the way we have seen the Hoboken's OLD GUARD politicos harvest them is at very least unethical. That is scary. Even more scary IMO is the way Richard and Elizabeth Mason has repeatedly tried to destort the democratic election process in Hoboken for their own political gain with huge amounts of their money.
DaHorsey, SmartyJones of MSV November 09, 2012 at 04:03 PM
Of course it's corruption that's the problem and as some have noted, the final disproportionate paper ballots put in for BoE will tell the tale just as the hundreds submitted on behalf of Tim Occhipinti did in 2010. People should relax because based on the nature of a presidential election, Hoboken is good for 1,000 requests. The rest of course which will be heavily traced to the fourth ward (4-3, 4-4) and certain specific areas of the third ward, (Church Towers) and other Old Guard pockets will be large but not likely to overturn the entire election. More likely there is a battle for the third seat. Anthony Oland who finished fifth has already conceded on Facebook he lost. He most definitely knows the math. There's also hundreds of email and fax voters (if they can get them in to Hudson County) to be counted. Those will not be among the hundreds of paid votes. But there's issue with them getting ballots to vote today. More on that at MSV. http://hobokenhorse.com
PeoplePlease November 09, 2012 at 06:54 PM
@bubbles What meds do you need and where can I bring them to you?
oldguard November 09, 2012 at 08:05 PM
Just so I'm reading this correctly - one candidate is afraid of voters mailing ballots. Lets hope she doesn't hear about Washington or Oregon. When, then Councilwoman Zimmer, stepped down from her Council seat, did that have to do with alleged voter irregularities? Some people want to change history or just forget it.
Journey November 09, 2012 at 08:52 PM
Voting by mail is not a crime. Getting $40 to give some your signed, unsealed, ballot, so that person can hand in 10 ballots and get paid, is illegal.
Boink November 09, 2012 at 09:19 PM
I smell a Boinking, and Boink always likes a good boinking. Brice what are you doing back here on Patch? Didn't they ban you and nutty Nancy?
DaHorsey, SmartyJones of MSV November 09, 2012 at 09:25 PM
You have to love how the Old Guard backers of corruption come in and cite legal voting of citizens to the massive paid voter fraud operations. Comparing the latest tag team of Bethy and Frank churning out probably hundreds and hundreds of "campaign workers," to the voters in Oregon is rich, pardon the pun. And look Boink is back. Time to earn that paycheck baby. C'mon sing that song of corrupt support; we know you are just dying to do it.
QJ201 November 09, 2012 at 09:36 PM
This is hudson county, there is no such thing as "investigative journalism"
demosthenes November 09, 2012 at 10:20 PM
History cannot be changed no matter how much Mrs. Mason spends trying to change it. And sadly for Mrs. Mason's political prospects, the people of Hoboken will never forget it. If Mrs. Mason and Mr. Raia did not pay the voters who cast absentee ballots to "work" then no one is afraid of them. Tell us "oldguard" how many absentee voters did Mrs. Mason and Mr. Raia "hire" this time? Another $50,000 or so down the toilet, but what the hey - they can afford it. After all money means nothing to them as long as its not going toward taxes.
Boink November 09, 2012 at 10:30 PM
Even Equine Schizophrenia is treatable Roman. Boink is here for the Boinking, my paycheck comes from the multinational I toil for. You will never find a post from me supporting corruption, Old Guard, Russo, Mason so stuff it already you tired old gelding.
CuriousGal November 10, 2012 at 01:36 AM
Entries From the Hobbs Dictionary scary adjective \ˈsker-ē\ scar·i·er scar·i·est 1. Something not illegal but wishes it was 2. Something he can't control but wishes he could 3. Something causing no fright nor alarm for good reason but hoping to raise concern by mentioning it (i.e Voting by mail is fine. Except the way people we don't like do it. That is scary).
Ojo Rojo November 10, 2012 at 02:10 AM
We only don't like people who vote because someone had a big fat GOTV budget and was passing out money. People who vote for free are fine no matter how they voted. So how much was your GOTV budget this time around? Was it $10K or did you guys upsize it to $15K?
Mr.budget November 10, 2012 at 03:58 AM
Where do i get my lottery ticket from ??
HOBO87 November 10, 2012 at 06:24 AM
There are surely paid-for mail in ballots like every other Hoboken election, but I'd agree with what Steve S said, in a Presidential election there are probably more than the usual number of really valid non-paid for mail ins by people who were going to be out of town, too busy on a Tuesday, etc the type of Hoboken voters who (notoriously) just skip voting in a local-only election if they can't make it in person, or just skip it period. But I guess we'll see. My wife and I VBM'd, out of town, and nobody paid us!
InfotainMe November 10, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Anyone still denying that November elections yield a more democratic result through broader participation? I’m asking because I still see people trying to deny vote-buying in the HHA. Intelligent people, to all appearances. Why would they bother? They know it isn't true. They know *we* know it isn't true. And they probably know that anyone who makes it all the way to the comments section of these forums will figure it out toot sweet. But I digress... For 2011 a grand total of 10,523 BOE votes were cast. So far, 18,745 votes have been counted for this inaugural November BOE election. Granted, it was a presidential election year, but a very soggy one at that. GOTV was not a priority during the last week. The arguments against November elections centered on the influence of external and/or statewide machine forces. We did in fact see a quite a display of criminal (1000s of midnight fliers) or simply deplorable (repeated visits by a Nazi truck) attempts to influence the outcome. And of course rented support via Craigs List. Ironically, those most loudly opposed to November elections also support the Move Forward ticket, the beneficiary of *all* of the pre-election dirty tricks and scams. MF denials of responsibility for trucks and fliers are the functional equivalent of denials of vote-buying on the local level. Or denial of evolution on the national level. Sad, silly and a clear indicator that intelligent, adult conversation is off the table. For now.
DaHorsey, SmartyJones of MSV November 10, 2012 at 03:31 PM
MSV will have more analysis on the Vote-by-Mail votes. As others have said, a presidential election turns out a far higher total via this voting method but after the elections in the vast majority of NJ moved to November including Hoboken, the Old Guard embittered by what they knew would be greater turnout, amped up their illicit paper ballot machine operation. MSV can say it will exceed the hundreds generated for the Tim Occhipinti campaign in 2010 but we're not willing to say it will overturn the results on the machines for the BoE race. Here's a midnight meeting when exposure of that operation was being uncovered: http://www.hobokenhorse.com/2010/10/grist-for-mill-midnight-monday-meeting.html MSV covered "the anomaly"in that race both before and after the election. Blue Jersey did a story on it as well: http://www.bluejersey.com/diary/17072/voter-fraud-alleged-in-hobokens-4th-ward-race Inflationary pressures have seen the paid 'campaign workers' get $50 reportedly for their vote, up from $40 in the Hoboken Housing Authority. Other areas may be included as well. They typically get more in the range of $75. (Isn't that discriminatory?) Until the Feds or the NJ Attorney General steps in and starts handcuffing them, the Old Guard is intent on keeping voter fraud alive!
Geoff Vincent November 10, 2012 at 08:01 PM
People who have never worked as journalists tend to seriously misunderstand their jobs. They can't possibly investigate everything to the level some readers might like. If you really want more coverage, start paying more for your news (or paying at all in the case of Patch and NJ Spotlight), click on the links on sites like this and start supporting nonprofits like the ACLU that protect their (and your) rights.
InfotainMe November 10, 2012 at 09:04 PM
Everybody knows, Geoff. Even Patch. http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/occhipinti-paid-550-campaign-workers-40 Patch & the Hoboken Reporter will report some of the information that makes everyone roll their eyes once the final tallies are in. But actual cross-referencing from the VBM lists to the ELEC reports showing who got $40 "to work" will only be done by bloggers. CuriousGal is already tipping their hand concerning how obscene it will be *this* time by preemptively attacking the GOTV efforts of Kids First and anyone who dares to suggest VBMs are abused to buy elections. As if people who care about the city were supposed to be out chasing votes last week while the city was under siege. That's how it's been. I wish the ACLU cared about it.
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