Doyle's Seat to Remain Vacant for At Least Two More Meetings

Many votes could fail in a 4-4 stalemate.

The Hoboken City Council will officially only have eight members for at least two upcoming meetings.

This will likely mean that controversial issues will either be postponed or will fail in 4-4 votes.

A couple of weeks ago, Hudson County Assignment Judge Peter Bariso ruled that five votes were needed to appoint councilman Jim Doyle, after the four minority council members sued the city and the rest of the council.

While the minority considered Doyle's appointment "illegal," Corporation Counsel Melissa Longo and City Clerk Jimmy Farina said that a simple majority was needed to appoint Doyle. The judge disagreed.

Doyle was initially appointed to serve the remainder of former council woman Carol Marsh's term.

Marsh's term was originally set to expire on June 30, 2013. Now that the municipal elections have officially been moved to November, that term won't expiere until the end of 2013.

Now, the city has filed a counter suit in hopes to require all council members to be present at a mandatory meeting to vote on a new council member. In the event of a 4-4 vote, the mayor can cast a deciding vote to appoint a council member.

Since Doyle's appointment, however, there hasn't been a meeting where all nine council members have been present.

The next hearing by Judge Bariso is scheduled for December 14. There are council meetings scheduled for Nov. 28 and Dec. 5.

It's unclear what happens if council members abstain in a vote to appoint a council member. During the first time the council appointed Doyle, Councilman Michael Russo abstained.

Members of the minority have said that the seat should be filled in a special election, rather than by appointment. When asked if he would run in a special election, Doyle said he didn't know yet.

"This would be a $120,000 special election for me to be there for five months," Doyle said, and "that’s just to the tax payer."

While waiting until mid-December is making him a little impatient, Doyle is keeping calm.

"This isn't about me," Doyle said. He said he will be present on Wednesday night, but will be sitting in the audience. 

"It's a little frustrating," Doyle added, "at both of those meetings not much of substance is going to happen."

CuriousGal December 08, 2012 at 09:42 PM
I do not mean to offend, but ThisMeansWar is correct when she states that some posts not speaking directly her, "They aren't really talking to us." I have found productive dialogue is not really possible so its more important to state my points as clearly as possible, document when possible or appropriate, and try to articulate a counter narrative to some of the more partisan posts, especially for the many objective, thoughtful readers of PATCH. By now, most readers know they will never see me use feces, piles of vomit, or making "fake" assassination threats to elected officials. Peace.
HobokenLeaks December 08, 2012 at 10:14 PM
We all know how wiki works. We also all know how plagiarism works. The fact that wiki articles are written collaboratively doesn't excuse your act of plagiarism. Only a hopelessly corrupt person would think otherwise. You just wanted to sound smart. That's why you did it. It had nothing to do with the way wiki articles are written. Based on this performance I doubt you even recognize the truth about yourself anymore. All you had to say was yes I got it from wiki, I should have given attribution. But you aren't even honest enough for that.
HobokenLeaks December 08, 2012 at 10:17 PM
If documenting is so important why didn't you document the text you stole word for word from wikipedia?
CuriousGal December 08, 2012 at 11:46 PM
I believe I said, "document when possible or appropriate" and I stand by that statement.
Grafix Avenger December 09, 2012 at 02:31 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_shall_not_steal You shall not steal From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Part of a series on the Ten Commandments I am the LORD thy God Thou shalt have no other gods No graven images or likenesses Not take the LORD's name in vain Remember the sabbath day Honour thy father and thy mother Thou shalt not kill Thou shalt not commit adultery Thou shalt not steal Thou shalt not bear false witness Thou shalt not covet You shall not steal is one of the Ten Commandments,[1] of the Torah (the Pentateuch), which are widely understood as moral imperatives by legal scholars, Jewish scholars, Catholic scholars, and Post-Reformation scholars.[2] The New Testament repeats the commandment not to steal,[20] contains dire warnings about spiritual consequences of the practice,[21] and upholds the basic ideas of private property rights and the proper role of governmental authorities in punishing thieves.[22] Thieves are exhorted to steal no longer, but to work hard with their own hands so that they might have something to share with people in need.[23] Government officials are commanded to be content with their pay and not to use their positions for unjust gain.[24
Hobbs December 09, 2012 at 02:57 PM
I remember Elizabeth Mason publicly saying she doesn't even know what "reform" means. As someone who once marketed herself as a "reformer" that may have been the only completely true statement she has ever made. Since then she has joined forces with the political machine and family of disgraced former mayor and convicted felon Anthony Russo, the Old Guard politicos that were behind disgraced former mayor and convicted felon Peter Cammerano, has surrounded herself with a large paid staff of people even the most casual observer would think label as very ethically challenged and has personally funded some of the most ethically challenged political actions Hoboken has ever seen. As she now seems to have set her sights and vast fortune on higher office the people of Hoboken have the obligation to warn and inform the rest of Hudson County as to Mrs. Mason's record and ethics. The voters of Hoboken have repeatedly made clear that to know Beth Mason is to disilke and reject her methods.
Hobbs December 09, 2012 at 06:12 PM
I remember......poste at 9:57 am. Perhaps it is time for PATCH to remove everyone from your moderation ?
HobokenLeaks December 10, 2012 at 10:19 AM
Well times have changed. White trash never used to be quite so haughty as you. And I stand by that statement.
Grafix Avenger December 10, 2012 at 12:15 PM
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plagiarize pla·gia·rize verb \ˈplā-jə-ˌrīz also -jē-ə-\ pla·gia·rizedpla·gia·riz·ing Definition of PLAGIARIZE transitive verb 1: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source intransitive verb 2: to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source — pla·gia·riz·er noun See plagiarize defined for English-language learners » See plagiarize defined for kids » Examples of PLAGIARIZE 1. He plagiarized a classmate's report. 2. She plagiarized from a Wikipedia article she read on the Internet.
CuriousGal December 10, 2012 at 03:04 PM
Nancy seems to be fairly ill informed and petchulant in her referencing of the 10 Commandments here on PATCH. Perhaps Nancy should take a look at Matthew 22:36-40 where the Sadducees are being addressed: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Love God and love your neighbor. Got that Nancy? Likely, that includes NOT using Nazi propaganda against your neighbor. Likely, that includes NOT creating pictures of your neighbors in a bowl of feces. Likely, that does NOT include threats of assassination attempts on your neighbors who are elected city officials. We'll leave your "pile of vomit" statement out of the discussion as that was directed at me but many will think its on the "NOT" list as well. Documentation: Nazi Propaganda: 1) http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ssf/2010/11/hoboken_blogger_apologizes_for.html Bowl of feces: http://cdn.hoboken411.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Zimmer-appointed-Zoning-board-member-Nancy-Pincus-aka-Grafix-Avenger-creates-images-of-excrement.jpg Death Threat: http://hudsonreporter.com/pages/full_story/push?article--Blogger+questioned+by+Hoboken+police-%20&id=15394287&instance=home_Most_popular
CuriousGal December 10, 2012 at 03:31 PM
As as 10:20AM on 12/10/12 Nancy felt it wasn't necessary to give photo attribution to a picture she used on her blog of the scoreboard at the Hoboken High Championship game last week. I wonder if Nancy sees this as an example of "stealing"??? No doubt she'll add the attribute now that it has been brought to her attention. She's been quoting the Bible lately. I think the appropriate reference here would be John 8:7 ;-) Have a nice day Nancy. Peace. http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/12/hometown-heroes.html
Journey December 10, 2012 at 04:07 PM
They will also see CuriousGal avoiding the truth and ignoring when when some catches in a simple lie. Like this one from above. CuriousGal 12:30 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012 No one said anything about Carol Marsh or the reasons or rationale's for her resignation-- the comment was about Dawn and the council majority who decided to appoint someone to the council the VERY DAY that Marsh resigned-- thereby not going through either the process of advertising the opening for 30 days. "The reality is that Ms. Marsh was told by her handlers to submit her resignation after Sept. 1 to avoid having her at-large seat go up for election earlier this month. The only reason the taxpayers will be on the hook for a costly special election is because the "majority" gambled and lost. We could all have voted on her successor, but instead her friends wanted to appoint a crony. Please explain how that is the open and honest transparency that the Zimmer administration promised?" Posted by MadisonMonroe at 2:58 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012 If she will lie about that, what else will she lie about. If she will avoid the truth about that what else will she avoid.
Journey December 10, 2012 at 04:09 PM
my postes were submitted at approximately 11:08 AM on 12/10/2012.
Grafix Avenger December 10, 2012 at 08:33 PM
Did anyone here a bleating sound? As for the photo described by she-who-should-shunned, no photographer is noted on the Hoboken Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=504669922887091&set=a.120999114587509.13393.107840642570023&type=1 Gotcha? Not.
Journey December 10, 2012 at 10:11 PM
CuriousGal says grafixavenger is not loving. Anyone want to vote on CG degree of love? Still she ignores that I have proven she lies.
Journey December 10, 2012 at 10:12 PM
Why would a Jew read the New Testiment?
Grafix Avenger December 10, 2012 at 11:17 PM
"petchulant"? What's that? Did she-who-plagiarizes-from-Wiki-pedia mean 'petulant'? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/petulant pet·u·lant (pch-lnt) adj. 1. Unreasonably irritable or ill-tempered; peevish. 2. Contemptuous in speech or behavior. Ah, it explains the plagiarizing; self-awareness of her incredibly shallow intellect with a yearning to impress strangers- such is the comfort of stealing the words of others without attribution. The poor spelling (many examples of this can be found in her bleatings) is a marker of low intelligence coupled with the need to steal written material from others. Yes, stealing. As immoral as robbing a camera from someone: http://www.hudsonreporter.com/view/full_story/7140972/article--Police-arrest-made-in-alleged-incident-at-Board-of-Education-forum- Can one be arrested for Wiki-plagiarism? Ah, she is ashamed about being called out, look at the crankiness.A political has-been and a bad-speller. Tsk Tsk. How about shunning the bad-speller for some original, un-plagiarized material? http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/12/timmys-letter-to-santa.html
BruceD December 11, 2012 at 12:39 AM
Geez, what a lame post. Besides being so far off topic, it tries to revitalize that old moral equivalency trick frequently employed by those that are shunned whereby, once they find themselves caught red handed in some outright lie with their proverbial pants down around their ankles and bent over for the inevitable reaming that is coming their way, scour the earth trying to find a moral equivalency in anything, regardless of how inane or intellectually dishonest the claim they spew so proudly as the next Great Idea. The fact that the shunned just don't get it, is funny in and of itself. Funnier still is the notion that anyone takes the shunned seriously at this point.
CuriousGal December 11, 2012 at 12:40 AM
Nancy- Notice, the picture was also posted on PATCH but someone took the time to make sure they gave proper attribution (i.e. did not steal the picture for their own use). Take a look: http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/hoboken-redwings-take-state-championship#photo-12501753 "The Hoboken Redwings captured their ninth State Championship title at MetLife Stadium Friday night. Credit Courtesy of the City of Hoboken"
HobokenLeaks December 11, 2012 at 01:35 AM
A fallacious argument. You stole text from wiki to pass yourself off as the author. No one seriously thinks grafix was trying to pass herself off as the photographer of the hs football game. But you are too steeped in corruption to understand that or figure out that other people do. So it's not surprising that you suppose the bible is just another weapon in your dirty little war. You're just haughty white trash, no more no less.
oldguard December 11, 2012 at 05:56 PM
Latest judgement is that abstention does not mean no. http://www.politickernj.com/61639/breaking-newark-decision-reverses-speight-seating-newark-city-council
Journey December 11, 2012 at 06:44 PM
CuriousGal, From what I read she is a liar obsessed with GrafixAvenger.
Grafix Avenger December 11, 2012 at 09:05 PM
Is that she-who-steals-from-Wikipedia? PATCH may do as it wishes, but Hoboken has labeled the photo 'Public' meaning it is in the public domain and does not require attribution. Nor have I represented the photo as my own, unlike a certain intellectual lightweight who copy-pastes from Wikipedia and pretends she is the source, trying to impress others that she knows more than she does. Tsk Tsk. Have you read GA today? Nothing plagiarized, so I suppose you won't be able to relate. Maybe this will ring a bell? http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/12/kids-first-sweep-confirmed-crickets.html "(2 operatives' names redacted) deliberately had no phone communication with Beth Mason for almost a year... they'd been planning this for a long time even to the point of not having contact with Beth."
Grafix Avenger December 11, 2012 at 11:03 PM
Sick, isn't it?
CuriousGal December 12, 2012 at 02:53 AM
Grafix Avenger- Get your excuses straight, first you blamed it on Facebook and now you are saying it didn't need attribution even if PATCH felt it was appropriate to give attribution to the picture. I'm sure your other "friends" will agree with you but the more objective readers will see your back peddling and rationalizations. "The Hoboken Redwings captured their ninth State Championship title at MetLife Stadium Friday night. Credit Courtesy of the City of Hoboken"
Grafix Avenger December 12, 2012 at 04:45 PM
She-who-plagiarizes-from-Wikipedia, who cares about a photo certified 'public'? More deflection from the fact you steal and post Wiki content pretending those are your words. Now that we have established you are an academic lightweight who relies on Wikipedia to impress PATCH readers and the public is now aware you a thief who lifts content word-for-word from Wiki while deleting footnote annotations, would you like to comment on this: "(2 operatives' names redacted) deliberately had no phone communication with Beth Mason for almost a year... they'd been planning this for a long time even to the point of not having contact with Beth." Very interesting, no? Wait until you hear the rest.
CuriousGal December 13, 2012 at 03:38 PM
Sweetie, there is a picture of you in the dictionary under the word "sick"--- you've redefined the word, especially for public officials. Why you and your antics have not made national news is beyond my comprehension. "Fake" assassination threats to elected officials, use of Nazi propaganda, references to "piles of vomit", and portraying political opponents in bowls of feces has redefined the term "sick" as far as I'm concerned. Why Dawn keeps you on the Hoboken Zoning Board is beyond me.
Grafix Avenger December 13, 2012 at 06:22 PM
Well "Sweetie", you certainly did try. But like everything else you do, it failed and backfired. Alas, there is no 'there' there, only in your diseased mind. But you do reveal an intense jealousy- successful blog, successful board position. You are absolutely obsessed with me. Creepy. How about minding your business for a change and getting out of mine, you sick creep? Your jealousy has eaten your brain. As for the national news, they will be far more interested in your tale and you know exactly why that is. I am not a news anchor on a major NYC radio station, so I'm afraid I am not the one the national news will be gunning for. http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/12/zimmer-asks-senators-to-take-action.html
FAP December 18, 2012 at 04:04 PM
So MadisonMonroe any comments on Judge Bariso ordering Mason, Russo, Castellano, and Occipinti to participate in a vote to replace Councilwoman Marsh? --11:04AM Dec-18-2012
FAP January 18, 2013 at 06:51 PM
So MadisonMonroe the Old Guard complied with the Judge's order they participate in the vote. Any comments yet?


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