Hoboken Housing Authority Owes City $417K

The payments are part of an old PILOT payment that hasn't been budgeted for since 2008.

The Hoboken Housing Authority owes the city of Hoboken more than $400,000 in back payments, because it stopped paying fees to the city in 2008, according to HHA chairman Jake Stuiver.

According to a 1949 cooperation agreement (which was amended in 1953), the Housing Authority owes the city 10 percent of its annual rent revenue, in lieu of tax payments. In return, the city provides the area served by the housing authority with municipal services.

The issue came to light at a Hoboken Housing Authority meeting last week during a discussion of the authority's annual audit.

In what seems to have been an unwritten agreement, the HHA stopped paying the annual cost to the city in 2008 and stopped budgeting for it in its annual budget, Stuiver said. In total, that has lead to a $417,000 debt.

Stuiver said he didn't know why the payments stopped. The city, he said, has also stopped counting on the payments as a form of annual income.

A special HHA meeting will likely be called at some point in the coming weeks to deal with the issue, Stuiver said. A resolution was tabled at last week's meeting to ask the city to forgive the annual payments. The reasoning behind that request is that the HHA pays an annual $540,000 to the city of Hoboken for its police bureau and that should offset the annual obligation, Stuiver explained.

While an amount of $41,000 has been budgeted to pay the city this financial year—the number represents 10 percent of the HHA's annual rent revenue, minus the utility costs— that doesn't solve the problem of the back debt, said Stuiver.

Almost half a million dollars, Stuiver said, is "not insignificant."

He said he may have to ask the Department of Housing and Urban Development for emergency appropriations.

Stuiver recently became the chairman of the HHA, succeeding Jean Rodriguez.

Mayor Dawn Zimmer said that she didn't yet know what a good solution would be and that she would have to talk to HHA Executive Director Carmelo Garcia.

"Clearly there are some misunderstandings and I look forward to meeting with the director to determine the best solution," Zimmer said.

NoFanOfDawnZ October 18, 2012 at 08:12 PM
So the dingbat mayor appoints her friends to the HHA for all these years and now they realize this? People of Hoboken, please wake up and vote for anyone other than Dawn Zimmer. Her friends on the zoning board create what they believe to be "satirical anti jewish graphics" and post them all over the internet. Her friends all come on Patch and litter the posts with hateful and often derogatory comments. The mayors friends have a $2 million dollar lawsuit against them for coming to Patch and guessing who 2 users are only to make their personal lives a living hell. You all see it and read it. The mayor hired the city council president to represent them on a recent legal matter another violation of the public's trust. The same city council president, Ravi Bhalla was caught driving with a suspended license in Hoboken. What are we going to read about next? What blunder or cost is going to effect us as residents next? If you want to find out, vote for her in 2013. If you're ready for a change vote for anyone else but Dawn Zimmer, write in your pet, anything but Dawn Zimmer. Dawn will be fine without the title of mayor, she can go back to taking pictures of kids with clowns at birthday parties.
Hobbs October 18, 2012 at 08:13 PM
Perhaps Executive Director Carmelo Garcia should stop playing politics with his OLD GUARD politico friends, quit his BOE seat and focus on his full time $100 K plus job on for that HHA.
FAP October 18, 2012 at 08:15 PM
So let me get this straight. Carmelo Garcia says there's a secret unwritten agreement allowing the agency he directs not to pay 417K over the past 5 years even though there is a filed contract dating back decades saying the money is owed? . When is the last time the Feds who run HUD audited the HHA? Do we have another Troy Washington on our hands?
pdq October 18, 2012 at 09:30 PM
NO Fan, i thnk you are confused. The point of the article is: before the "Mayor appointed her friends on the zoning board", this loss was being hidden and not reported by the prior HHA officials. Now that the "Mayor appointed her friends on the zoning board" she has discovered that the housing authority director has not been paying his share of the bills owed to the city of Hoboken.
pdq October 18, 2012 at 09:31 PM
Does this surprise anyone?
HobokenTownie October 18, 2012 at 10:02 PM
Wasn't the board controlled by the OLD GUARD during the period in question and discovered by the NEW GUARD...I guess you do not want the facts to get in the way of your nonsense. Didn't you defend Patrick "I set up fake e-mail accounts and spy on the city" Ricarrdi.... I assume you are an old time City work with some interest in the return of corruption.
puzzledone October 19, 2012 at 01:38 AM
I love it, Carmelo Garcia stops paying David Roberts and you try to turn it against Zimmer. Yes, they realize it because this was going on under the non-watchful eyes of the old HHA board. We'll see what else comes of that as time goes on. I'd say you have no credibility, but that would significantly overstate the reality.
Fire Carmelo Garcia October 19, 2012 at 02:28 AM
No fan, you are soooooo ridiculous? do you not realize most people who live in hoboken are educated and have white collar jobs therefore we are not clueless. obviously the mayor has nothing to do with the original issue, her people discover the problems your old guard friends have created over the years. have a nice day.
Joseph Branco October 19, 2012 at 04:03 AM
Ford, let get one thing straight... The HHA does not owe the city $417K the city OWES the HHA the difference between the $417K and the $540K. It has paid for duplicate services they were charged. Also the city might now have to pay for its garbage pickup which I think they pay for themselves out of their own budget. I don’t see how this helps the city. So for $41K a year pilot payment the tax payers of Hoboken might have to pay an estimated $540K a year for police services and also might have to pick up the tab for garbage collection. Please explain to all of us why the HHA should hand over $417K for services the city: (a) Is not providing & (b) Charging for... I don’t think any attorney is going to allow his client to be double billed? Which is what it looks like in this case? I think the Hoboken tax payer is a head on this one. I think the city should work with the HHA on a new agreement for shared services like they did with Mama Johnson field and start from scratch. The HHA also has a couple of million in reserves so I dont think they will be asking the Department of Housing and Urban Development for any emergency appropriations. If you’re going to comment on my comment please use your real name.
demosthenes October 19, 2012 at 04:40 AM
My dog has a brain the size of a peanut and I think he'd do better in law school than you. Though your post certainly makes clear the reasons why you are so completely unqualified to serve on the HHA board. Look up the word "oversight" in the dictionary or ask Perry Belfore to explain it to you. Perry pretends to be an idiot but is actually a really smart guy. Kind of the opposite of you.
puzzledone October 19, 2012 at 11:37 AM
Joe, So what your saying is the HHA owes the city the difference between the $417 they owed and the 540 they paid, or -$133,000. Glad we didn't give you a seat on the board, but I'm worried about the whole BoE thing given your math skills. The reason they should pay is they had a contract to pay this amount in lieu of taxes, which is still in force. I use this name, which is the only name I have ever posted on. I have many more posts than you under my name here, establishing a track record. As I have no involvement in politics, nor do I ascribe to any, that you know which working stiff I am in this town is of no practical benefit to you.
NoFanOfDawnZ October 19, 2012 at 01:42 PM
Oh right 4 years on no payments go by and now the city realizes it. Sure blame Carmelo solely. If he is the root of the problem then they're all to blame. Nice to see Dawn Zimmer boot off disabled senior citizens from local committees. I suppose the version I heard where Zimmer and Stuiver asked Maryanne to support so and so and when she said no, they did the next horrid thing and booted her off, fully knowing she is handicapped is false to right folks? Premeditated all the way to the bank. Great leader you all bow to. I guess its reform only when the doors are closed these days?
FAP October 19, 2012 at 01:58 PM
Joe where are you getting the 540K number? It can't be the special police bureau the HHA wanted. That special police bureau provides services to the HHA that the police provide to no other entity in our City, such as paroling the HHA halls, and it replaced the private security firms that the HHA was dissatisfied with. Frankly if the HHA wants to claim that special bureau as an offset Hoboken should cancel the bureau tomorrow and the HHA can go back to trying to find security it can afford. . To your last question why should the HHA pay anything, because it signed an agreement way back in 1953 to pay this reduced fee in lieu of any other payment. So sorry Joe the HHA owes the 400K. . And when did the HHA stop paying? Well it was in the first fiscal year that Carmelo Garcia was the Director. Can Carmelo Garcia explain why he made the decision to stop paying? . I agree with many when they say a full forensic audit should be done of the HHA's books for the last 6 years. Let's get to the bottom of this. I would think Director Garcia, the HHA Board, the City Government, and all residents of Hoboken would want that.
puzzledone October 19, 2012 at 02:42 PM
Yes, 4 years go by, while the HHA is shrouded under a board that doesn't seem to care, including one who didn't care enough to take the required classes and was booted by the STATE. Then someone who pays attention joins and suddenly we realize that the wool was being pulled over all of our eyes by Carmelo & co. Clearly, this is Dawn Zimmer's and Ravi Bhalla's fault.
HobokenTownie October 19, 2012 at 02:54 PM
Joe, Joe, Joe - are you saying if they made you a commissioner of the HHA you would have made this discovery OR would you have been hush hush with your buddy Carmelo? Sour grapes!!!!
NoFanOfDawnZ October 19, 2012 at 06:34 PM
After close inspection, it appears Mr. Branco is correct. And once again the Zimmer clan is wrong, but they knew that.
bubbles October 19, 2012 at 07:00 PM
Joe- you've stirred the pot. You know what we got goin on over there. Zip it! We dont need the commissioners voting for a forensic audit, damn it!
BruceD October 20, 2012 at 06:29 PM
Oh leave Joey B alone. He has had a rough week what with that whole Nazi truck blowing up in the face of the M Fing BOE ticket Now he has to try and cover some more crap for his bro CG. His brain is on overload. Give him a break


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