Municipal Elections Could Be Moved to November

A citizens committee has gathered 1,800 signatures to put the question on the ballot in a public referendum in November.

In addition to voting for president, senate and school board, Hoboken residents will have to decide if they want when they head to the polls this fall. 

On Wednesday, a petition of approximately 1,800 signatures was delivered to the Hoboken City Clerk's office by the Vote Yes For November citizens’ committee. 

When certified by the city clerk, the petitions will allow the people of Hoboken to decide this November when future municipal elections will be held.

If approved,

Currently, Hoboken's non-partisan , with a possible run-off election in June. 

Besides moving the elections from May to November, residents will also be asked if the run-off election should be eliminated. In the past, said member of the citizens committee Vijay Chaudhuri, the outcome of the run-off has always been the same as the outcome of the first round of elections. 

"It's extra money, extra time for something that’s not going to change," he said in a phone interview on Wednesday.

The change would mean a "winner take all system," explained Chaudhuri, similar to to the process of electing federal and state office holders.

"In theory, the runoff system is not a terrible system," Chaudhuri said. But, he continued, "in Hoboken it can be used to force a run off, to prevent the front runner from getting 50 percent and this is not the way it should work."

Fewer elections will also increase voter participation, Chaudhuri said, noting that in 2009, there were five municipal elections in a span of eight months.

With the initiative, the committee hopes to increase voter participation and make it easier to vote. The measure is also supposed to save roughly $100,000 a year.  

The Board of Education decided to move its elections to November, through a vote by the board. Those elections will take place on Tuesday, November 6.

The Vote Yes for November committee is a grassroots organization, said Chaudhuri. 

The committee is made up of residents David Denning; Sasha Conroy; Zoning Board member Phil Cohen; former council candidate Eric Kurta and Chaudhuri.

Chaudhuri said that people have responded positively to the suggestion.  

"By the time November rolls around," he said, "people will know and make an educated choice."

Hoboken Answer August 16, 2012 at 08:49 PM
Let the People Decide! Wait that was our motto in February. It dun work no darn more.
Hobbs August 16, 2012 at 08:57 PM
Increasing the number of people voting while reducing costs to the taxpayers sounds like a win-win for Hoboken. :-)
Scott M. Siegel August 17, 2012 at 12:27 AM
Vote yes on both ideas. Hoboken will save $225-300,000, but more important it will increase voter turnout.
prosbus August 17, 2012 at 01:00 AM
Interesting that when Dawn's KIDS FIRST majority had the option of putting the issue of moving the Board elections to November on the ballot for "the people to decide", they choose instead to vote FOR the people at their Feb meeting and moved the elections (Hoboken Answer- it is no one's intention to destroy Hoboken- certainly not mine. Certainly none of the council members that I know. I would even say it is not Dawn's intention to destroy Hoboken. However, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and I am beginning to think that while the administration and council majority want to do good, their actions are directly responsibility for our failing schools, our crumbling infrastructure, and our rising violent and non-violent crime rate (http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index.ssf/2012/02/hoboken_board_of_education_in.html).
Outofcontrol August 17, 2012 at 04:03 AM
So will the Committee let the people know that by voting yes, Mayor Zimmer will be paid for 6 months longer than she was elected to serve? Will they tell the voters that a "yes" vote is like giving Zimmer $60,000 cash?
Hobbs August 17, 2012 at 01:29 PM
Increasing the number of people voting while reducing costs to the taxpayers sounds like a win-win for Hoboken :-)
puzzledone August 17, 2012 at 03:15 PM
While convicted felons Anthony Russo, Peter Cammarano, Patrick Ricciardi, and John Correa, and based on news reports, conflict of interest issue laden Al Arezzo may not have been out to destroy the city, and let's not forget municipal officials 1 and 2, it certainly seems like they have put their own interests above the residents of the cities. Interesting that they are all political allies of the same people.
puzzledone August 17, 2012 at 03:16 PM
So we are saving over $200,000 and will have to pay the current mayor and city council an extra half years salary, which would still have to be paid to whoever was mayor at the time? OK, I think people can figure that out on their own.
Scott M. Siegel August 17, 2012 at 03:37 PM
OOC: Stop the Bull*. NJ state law requires the 6 month extension, not for pay but to to lower costs and increase voter participation. 90%+ of school boards made the move for those two reasons. 6 months is a one time only 11% extension. After that we will save tons of money and more people will vote. That is what your side side fears most. Also the minority will get the same extension.
Eric Kurta August 17, 2012 at 04:46 PM
If the voters do not wish to grant Dawn Zimmer and the three at-large councilpersons an extra six months as a result of moving the election (which holds true for the other six members of the city council as well), they can simply vote no. If the voters approve the move, they have in a sense elected all those officials to an extra six months. I think the voters will understand that all ten individuals will be paid for the extra six months that they serve, as is appropriate.
Hobbs August 17, 2012 at 08:02 PM
Bottomline: Castellano, Mason, Russo and Occhipinti also get a term extention if this gets on the ballot and the voters approve it in November. Funny how the haters from the OLD GUARD leave that out their rants. ;-)
xtreme August 19, 2012 at 03:15 PM
Why would anyone in their right minds want to have elections on *gasp* ELECTION DAY?! That's just silly
recallbethmason August 20, 2012 at 12:23 PM
david liebler's comments at the end of the article about the blogger's being sued is absolutely disgusting and unwarranted. the bloggers have served a good purpose for the city of hoboken and opened many people's eyes to the happenings in the city of hoboken. it is unfortunate that david is so short sighted...this is the same individual who was against the south west park as he feels it will be in litigation for 10 years which is an extreme exaggeration...the real question is what is david's agenda?
pied piper August 20, 2012 at 02:16 PM
Liebler's complaint: "Pincus, Roman and the other 10 (which is probably only 4 others) just go to far and over the top, to the point of being a fanatic. Trying to control a blog and every last word by name calling and getting personal is no way to act on a local blog. You guys just go to far!!!!!!!!!!!!" David A. Liebler 2:42 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012 Hobbs or John G, you are quick with the remarks. I do not make my living as a paid PR person. I suggest you stop spreading false rumors. You are typical Zimmer fanatic that cannot take it when anyone speaks out and is not in agreement with your Republican Queen. Take a breath John, because you and your little angry tribe of controlling, arrogant, exclusive, elitist will all back fire on the Mayor's hopes and dreams on a re-election Lets see: getting personal- name calling- going over the top - Based on your premise,David do you think this is worthy of a lawsuit?
Captain Kirk August 20, 2012 at 02:45 PM
Ya know this isn't just some random Zimmer zealot posting some crap online. It's Nancy Pincus, a Zimmer appointed ZBA member representing the city in an official capacity!!!! Do none of you green team zombies see why this is a problem? Do you not see why it is a problem that city officials are calling people at work to harass them??????
Captain Kirk August 20, 2012 at 02:53 PM
It's like your either in the arena or you're in gallery providing commentary. Nancy's blog is sort of like if Roger Ebert made a movie and then wrote his own review. It's an absurdity and embarrassment.
I am Spartacus August 20, 2012 at 03:03 PM
Well, David's own Linkedin profile suggests he is a PR guy. He even boasts on it that "Developed Positive Marketing Strategy and custom website that assisted in winning highly publicized Hoboken, NJ mayoral race. " As far as I am concerned, that is PR as is his entire website that does PR and advertising for the hospitality industry in town.
mythoughts August 20, 2012 at 04:04 PM
nancy means well and wants to bring to light her view of the town but she always goes way too far and this time its going to bite her and the rest of the commenters really bad. Nancy unfortunately is cooked on this one. This has nothing to do with free speech or shutting people up, it has to do with people defaming people online. While we all know who some of the commenters are there are a few that we don't. My feeling is they (the does) defending this as best as they can because one of the John Does might be someone connected to a powerful person at city hall, that seems to be the chatter around the town. It is very unfortunate that these commenters are out here all day every day, it is almost like they seem addicted to talking? I wish the reformers the best of luck but they have little money to defend themselves and they have someone coming after them with endless money. There should be a user name and IP rule on Patch, you get 3 comments a day or at 10 comments the thread automatically closes. You don't need 400 comments on one article. The general public reads a few of the comments and then they read no longer. The only people that read the comments section in full are those commenting, which is maybe 20 people. Capping comments on stories is done by lots of websites and will be good for patch.
pied piper August 20, 2012 at 04:20 PM
This makes no sense- for a multitude of legal and other reasons. for just one example: what about the other 13 people named? What's your excuse for suiing them?
puzzledone August 20, 2012 at 05:55 PM
By zimmer appointed, you mean city council appointed and approved by unanimous vote of the city council, right? Also, where is the allegation of calling at work to harass someone?
puzzledone August 20, 2012 at 06:00 PM
This barely bears out a cogent thought. Will H411 be required to pay $2 million for everyone they smeared over time, because we know a lot of people will line up for that one. If I were a John Doe, I would defend myself because someone is trying to get $2 million from me. If the lawsuit were a cease and desist case, then the defense strategy may be a bit different, don't you think. As for the number of comments, why does quieting people help the problem. That just gives those who want to game the system the power to do so. I do agree with the IP rule, if you use multiple user names from one IP, there should likely be an inquiry. Also, new users should be checked to see if they are from computers that have accounts already associated with them.
Captain Kirk August 20, 2012 at 06:32 PM
She was a council majority, thus a Zimmer appointee by way of her council majority. She's "reform" all the way. It's one thing to be a hyper-partisan lunatic, that's bad enough, It's another to be one while you're also representing the city.
puzzledone August 20, 2012 at 08:24 PM
Got it. Does that make Al "Conflict of Interest" Arezzo, Maryanne "What Classes" Camporaele, Patrick "E-mail for sale" Ricciardi, John "Quarters" Correa all appointed by Mason, Occhipinti, Russo, and Castellano, and whoever their mayoral candidate will be? After all, those are the council memebers who allied with that side of the fence, so the logic is pretty much identical. I'm pretty sure they were all representing the city and failed to do their jobs to the best of their abilities. Also, you failed to answer about that whole "calling at work" thing.
pied piper August 21, 2012 at 02:38 AM
I thought the suit was filed by a couple- one of whom, freelances and the other, who just recently got a job after years of unemployment? They have endless money? or are you saying someone else is paying for their suit?


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