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Petition Action Underway to Put November Elections on the Ballot

The council voted to move municipal elections to November, but a group of Hoboken citizens is gathering petitions to put the issue on the ballot.

After the city council decided (they're currently held in May), a group of Hoboken residents is trying to put the issue on the ballot, with the intent of having the people of Hoboken vote on the issue.

Mayor Dawn Zimmer signed the law into effect on Monday, after which a new committee started gathering signatures to get the issue on the  ballot in the form of a public referendum.

In order to have the referendum, The Committee To Let the People Decide—which is what the residents behind this initiative are calling themselves—needs 2189 signatures.

As of Wednesday morning, "we're about a quarter of the way there," said Alex Habib, who is close to the members of the committee. Habib works for Assemblyman Ruben Ramos, who is rumored to run for mayor in 2013. Habib said he is not involved with this issue on behalf of Ramos.

During Wednesday's council meeting, Third Ward Councilman Michael Russo proposed to wait to vote on the matter until after a referendum, but his idea was voted down.

Zimmer, who is a proponent of the move, said a referendum is "part of a democratic process, they have every right to do that."

Moving municipal elections to November, means that the terms of all current council members will be extended by six months. If the measure goes through, elections will be held in November 2013 for the at-large councilmembers and in November 2015 for the ward representatives.

"It’s just about letting the people decide, that’s really it," said Jamie Cryan, who is part of the new found committee. , said he is involved in this issue in his capacity as a private Hoboken citizen, not on behalf of the party.

"This isn't against any one particular person," Cryan said. "It's just too big of a decision."

Other members of the committee are Hobokenites Jennifer Kleinman, Jennifer Grace, former council candidate and former mayoral candidate and local developer .

The reason to change the elections to November is to increase voter participation, according to At last week's council meeting, Fifth Ward Councilman Peter Cunningham said that Hobokenites suffer from "voter fatigue."

Some other members of the community, however, said that more voters doesn't necessarily mean that the voters are more informed or care about Hoboken issues. Another concern is that the ballot would be too confusing in November, because of the amount of people running.

"It'd be too confusing for seniors," Cryan said.

Members of the committee gathered signatures at the earlier this week and has until Aug. 12 to gather the rest. If accepted by the clerk's office, the issue will likely be put on the ballot in November.

The referendum, Cryan added, is not to stop the municipal elections from being moved.

"I don’t have an opinion either way, May or November: either way doesn’t bother me," he said. The petition action, he added, is to get the input from the people of Hoboken.

"There’s public hearings on everything in this city but not on extending an election? I don’t understand it," Cryan said.

v July 30, 2011 at 09:04 PM
We're all real impressed with your silly poorly produced propaganda link. Please post the link three or four more times, it's really good.
Scott M. Siegel July 30, 2011 at 09:10 PM
I agree with you OOC. Dawn made a bad mistake getting involved with Pupie etal. The difference between her and your idol Beth Mason is that she learned from her mistake and embraced clean politics in her subsequent races. Anyone running for the first time will no doubt make mistakes. It is how they learn from their mistakes which is important. Unfortunately Beth hasn't learned a darn thing, except to get more deeply in bed with the Russo's.
Outofcontrol July 30, 2011 at 09:38 PM
Once again Segull, you are sadly mistaken. YOU are my idol, not Ms. Mason.
Art July 30, 2011 at 09:39 PM
Why doesn't Pupie support Mayor Zimmer now? What has changed? Could it be that any political donations he made were considered the same as any other Hoboken resident's, and thought to be in support of responsible government, and Pupie was expecting something else? It is easy to see the good from the bad in these types of discussions. Those supporting Mayor Zimmer and the current city council majority have no other self interests except that which is derived from responsible government. The other side and their supporters all have ulterior self-serving motives for everything they do regarding Hoboken politics. In nearly all cases it is based on money, but in some cases it is power or prestige (e.g. Beth Mason). Peel back the veneer on any of those that are fighting against the city council majority and mayor and you will find a developer, former patronage employee, or those looking for payment which their skills and experience would not be possible in the free market.
Karen O'Shea August 02, 2011 at 06:29 PM
I grow weary of Frank Raia and his bully pulpit. I have always been in favor of elections being held in November. We've talked about getting that on the ballot for years. Now Mr Democracy will do anything in his power to stifle the progressive democracy of having elections in November. Change is hard for those who rely on the same old backward backroom bullshit. Get over it. Think of the numbers of residents who would come out to vote in Nov. Wow decisive elections! thats the ticket!!
Keating Five August 02, 2011 at 11:45 PM
If you favor moving the election to November you should have the right to vote on it. I refuse to accept that Ravi or anyone else on the council for that matter has any solid data on how this move would impact our electoral process in this town. Let's put it up for a vote. I used to love the idea and then a "reformer" sat me down four years ago and made me understand that moving the municipal elections to November would increase HCDO involvement in them and would most definitely affect the holiday season in a very negative way should there be the need for a run-off. Put it on the ballot. Let's vote on it - the Zimmeristas seem to hate the idea of direct democracy. I guess that shows their own insecurity. I saw a school board member allied with them pulling fliers off street poles last weekend and heard tell of one of their former school board candidates assaulting a petitioneer. Class acts, huh.
Keating Five August 05, 2011 at 07:50 AM
TMW, I am not a lane, road, boulevard or street - you would do well to stay on topic instead of trying to assert I am who you wrongly believe me to be. Why do you fear the petition? Maybe the people will vote to move the elections, maybe they won't but at least they deserve the opportunity. Your screen name precludes the kind of compromises that real governing bodies make all the time. Part of the Zimmer strategy of constantly dividing our city into warring factions. Convince yourself of a "truth", repeat it enough and maybe someone might believe your assertions are indeed "truths" - you and fox news - equally full of "truthiness". Keep on guessing wrong and stating your thoughts. Ideaologists make bad leaders.
Grafix Avenger August 05, 2011 at 10:45 AM
So what hobbies are you going to take up in prison? I hear crafting small figurines out of wet toilet paper is very popular. Especially with the 'Lifers'. Not sure about Death Row. Maybe you can do a series of them, depicting your glory days at the City Council podium. But how to make the tiny toilet paper figurines spout loony, paranoid rants about Zimmer-istas, Zimmertinis, Zimmer-bots and so on? Practice, of course! Hmmm, let's see... if you can sneak a few toothpicks out of the mess hall, those would make a fine easel. I'll see what other hobby-ideas I can come up with for you. (Maybe others want to add their suggestions) Not sure how long you'll be there. But I'm sure LOTS of your fans will write letters to the judge on your behalf, begging for the maximum. Uh... I meant "minimum" sentence. Darn, those typos.
Redrider765 August 05, 2011 at 12:24 PM
How many votes and was Beth planning on purchasing for this referendum? You guys going full out on the voter fraud on this too even though the FBI is camped out in town watching you people?
Hobbs August 05, 2011 at 12:48 PM
GA very interesting story you Mile Square View have up on your blogs about Mason's ELEC spending especially that big chunk of change for that gut in Virginia. it is amazing to see how much money it takes to keep Beth's political career a float. I don't think the Masons will have to by law to disclose their spending push to save their edge to keep lots of little elections they like to minipulate with their cash so they are free to do go crazy and not have to be transparent. Keep up the good work. http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com
Redrider765 August 05, 2011 at 01:26 PM
What is shocking is w/ what Mason wasted on her vote buying, junk mail, paid operatives and other sheer rubbish, she could have donated the money to a charity and probably fed and housed a village of poor people for many months. But instead of putting her money to good use, she feeds her ego and thirst for power. Disgusting woman.
Grafix Avenger August 05, 2011 at 01:38 PM
Mr. Keating Five, help is on the way! http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2011/08/prison-hobbies.html
Hoboken1653 August 05, 2011 at 02:57 PM
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! You hit the nail on the head. So obvious
cassandra August 07, 2011 at 06:13 PM
Let the people decide and stop all the bs
p1ywood August 07, 2011 at 08:45 PM
The bs is is pretending having November elections with a better turnout than May is a referendum-worthy issue.
Redrider765 August 07, 2011 at 09:21 PM
What is real BS is the people who want the referendum will not let the people decide at all. They will buy votes just like they do in May b/c they know if the people decide things in an honest, clean and fair election, they will lose.
cassandra August 08, 2011 at 02:43 PM
Won't the referendum be in November? If that's the case whats the arguement against it? Thats when Zimmerites claim the election is fair.
Redrider765 August 08, 2011 at 02:55 PM
Okay Cassandra, how about if you want a fair election then you and the people you support not write several hundred checks or more to people to get them to vote the way you want them to vote. Yeah, didn't think so.
Hoboken1653 August 08, 2011 at 04:17 PM
So Cassandra, shouldn't you be wishing the referendum took place in May if you support its ultimate goal?? Why didn't you complain when the Lenz/Occhipinti election took place in November?? Where were you then?
cassandra August 09, 2011 at 12:53 PM
I simply used your logic that a november election is fair and said "let the people decide". Are you afraid of the people?
Karen O'Shea August 09, 2011 at 01:04 PM
At this point we need an election monitor to make sure the votes are legit. Lets face Cassandra , this is Hoboken and the machine is becoming an extinct dinosaur because of a changing demographic. People who pay millions for their home do not want their future decided by a few who continue to live in the shade of free and fair voting. What did you think would happen when new development attracted hard working, intelligent residents? Old ways are quickly being replaced by a more honorable intention.
Redrider765 August 09, 2011 at 01:15 PM
The people didn't decide the last few elections in some wards. Beth Mason's checkbook did the deciding. Put away the checkbooks and how about you actually let people vote without paying them. Until you do that, the people will never get a chance to decide in a fair election.
Casual Observer August 09, 2011 at 01:19 PM
The NJ Attorney General is just concluding a 2007 case of voter fraud in Essex County. Can the 2010 4th Ward case be far behind? http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/07/nj_campaign_worker_admits_elec.html
Redrider765 August 09, 2011 at 01:23 PM
There were dozens of people involved in the Timmay campaign who are a cancer on this town during election season. They need to all be cut out from all future elections to keep their toxic activities from tainting voting results in the future. And guess where they stand on the referendum? They are all in favor of it. Anyone thing they will not stoop to the same foul antics they engaged in during the last 2 4th ward races? I am under no such delusion. They will paper this town w/ checks just like last time.
Karen O'Shea August 09, 2011 at 01:38 PM
ooh ooh Mr Kotter, isn't this Teresa Ruiz part of HoLA??? In the Boys and Girls Club of Hoboken???? LOL
Karen O'Shea August 09, 2011 at 01:41 PM
Years ago I loved the idea of a referendum, in today's Hoboken no need because of the sketchy characters who collect VBM, the decision has been made to move the elections to November. Its a good thing!
cassandra August 09, 2011 at 02:56 PM
As I see it, your argument is " a referendum is not ok because money may taint it; " by that logic no election is ok. Rubbish! Your only concern is that the referendum may pass.
Redrider765 August 09, 2011 at 02:59 PM
No, your argument is rubbish b/c you and the people who support a referendum REFUSE to let the people decide things in elections already. You just buy votes. You don't want and never wanted a free and fair election. That is why the FBI and AG are in town you fool.
Karen O'Shea August 09, 2011 at 03:16 PM
FBI have been here for a looong time. What a difference a great mayor makes.
Keating Five August 10, 2011 at 03:05 PM
Those new and hardworking residents frequently vote by mail. Are you calling them sketchy?

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